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Neither Reagan or Clinton had to deal with a Congress that is literally content to just sit on it's hands and wait out the clock. Obama's gone so far as to alienate his own base in his attempts to get things like the debt ceiling through Congress. I never imagined the Republican house and Senators would be this bad. I knew they'd demand stuff, but I never imagined it would be, at all times, my way or the highway. Fact of the matter is, they don't want to work with him. They want him out. That's their only real goal right now. Heck, they've said as much. Remember McConnell's "Our primary goal is to make Obama a one term president"? Did Reagan have to deal with that?



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The problem with the tar sands thing isn't that it's environmentally risky in the short run, but that in the long run we don't need to be investing in desperate ways to claw for fossil fuels, but rather in sustainable solutions. It's money better spent elsewhere (nuclear nuclear nuclear)



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Yeah. We really need to be making a national effort to get off of oil. It's a god damned national security risk if nothing else. Imagine how threatening Iran's military maneuver to disrupt the world's oil supply would be if we barely used oil anymore?

And don't give me that "drill our own oil" nonsense. We don't even have enough gas to significantly lower the price.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/04/25/news/economy/oil_drilling_gas_prices/index.htm



nuckles87 said:
Neither Reagan or Clinton had to deal with a Congress that is literally content to just sit on it's hands and wait out the clock. Obama's gone so far as to alienate his own base in his attempts to get things like the debt ceiling through Congress. I never imagined the Republican house and Senators would be this bad. I knew they'd demand stuff, but I never imagined it would be, at all times, my way or the highway. Fact of the matter is, they don't want to work with him. They want him out. That's their only real goal right now. Heck, they've said as much. Remember McConnell's "Our primary goal is to make Obama a one term president"? Did Reagan have to deal with that?

I thought Obama had both House and Senate on his side for two years.



Seece said:
10. makes up for 1 - 9 yay for not forcing religion on people!!


Mentioning God is not forcing religion on people. 



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MARCUSDJACKSON said:

you're drinking to much coca cola. should i be taking this seriously, or am i being punked?

 

also you can change anything when the people you're working with to make change refuse to work with you, hense the party of no.

He had the support of congress for 2 years.



Coca-Cola said:
Seece said:
10. makes up for 1 - 9 yay for not forcing religion on people!!


Mentioning God is not forcing religion on people. 

It is in a way, expecting non religious people to have to listen to that just for the sake of religious people, he should be impartial.



 

Mummelmann said:
OP: So you basically want a warmongering president who destroys relations and spends all the money on the military? You want Bush back, that makes me kinda sad to be honest.

I was never in favor of the war in Iraq - I'm not a Bush fan.  Not a Obama fan either.  I loved Reagan, and liked Clinton.

We'll see what'll happens to the world with our weakened military.  I'm afraid that there will be more war in the world.  let's hope not.  



Well it is true Obama is handicapped by congress but Obama made a huge mistake in 2009.

He passed a stimulus Bill and frankly ignored the economy till after the Midterm election focusing on Health Care. That really soured the public against him and really let the Republicans storm into Congress only after historic Congressional and Senate victories in 2008 and 2012 for the democrats.

One needs to remember how on earth the Democrats went from dominating the house and Senate in 2 years.

If he had the economy as a key issue in 2009-2010, he would have been able to create a stronger economy and would had stooped the Republicans from gaining control. 

I agree Republicans are being bad in what they are doing, but Obama imo has only realized the true nature of politics and spent the first year or two getting his initial executive experience.

 

 

Also Clinton was at war with Congress from 1994-1996. It was not till he got relected that he was able to sort of get what he wanted. There was a lot of compromise and Clinton's vast popularity allowed him to force Republicans to compromise.

With Reagan, the democrats in congress had been in power for decades. They knews how to deal with Republicans and Reagans vast popularity allowed him to force congress.

Even so Both Reagan and Clinton compromised a lot with Republicans and democrats.

Obama needs to win the 2012 election imo. He will have at most 2 years to get Congress to work with him. When a President wins a election he gets a lot more political power. Great Compromises will have to be struck as they have in the past. After 2 years I expect the Republicans will start counting down to 2016.

 

Also, as bad as the Repblicans are in Congress, I am quite suprised the Democrats have not been able to gain renewed support in Congress.



Coca-Cola said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

you're drinking to much coca cola. should i be taking this seriously, or am i being punked?

 

also you can change anything when the people you're working with to make change refuse to work with you, hence the party of no.

He had the support of congress for 2 years.

Legislative tactics from republicans blocked mostly all of his efforts, and you still need a certain amount of Senators to pass some bills in the Senate before the President, well you should know where i'm going with this.

can't believe everything you hear on the news. i heard it from somewhere?