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smbu2000 said:
Michael-5 said:
Chris Hu said:
The 2013 Dodge Dart,Bugatti 16C Galibier Concept, 2013 Alfa Romeo 4C, 2013 Ford Taurus SHO, 2013 Maserati Kubang and the 2013 Peugeot 208 would be nice as far as future DLC for new cars.

You know the revival is a FF car, not FR. I don't see why anyone would want a Dodge in the game, I wish Crysler just died in the recession.

The Alfa Romeo 4C is an awesome looking concept, hope it eventually makes it over to North America. Another good and similar concept would be the Audi R4 (Two seater compeditor to the Porsche Cayman and BMW Z4)

You don't like Dodge? My gf likes Dodge, I think she's going for the level 50 Affinity achievement with Dodge, heh. I just did it with Ferrari as I'm also collecting the Ferrari's for the achievement.

If my girlfrield played racing sims and loved cars as much as me, I wouldn't car what brand she loves.

I hate dodge and chevy for a few reasons. The new muscle cars they re-introduced are based off chasis of existing cars (Dodge Charger - Crysler 300, etc) and offer similar power to weight ratios and engine specs. They aren't anything at all like the muscle cars of the 60's-80's, they drive like a regular sedan. Their muscle cars are hidious, far too freaken big and tall. They were suppose to be big, but the trunk and roof of the car low, wide long and flat was the look before, not it's tall and squishy (which is what you get when you base the car off an existing platform) Seeing a Dodge Challenger looks like an ugly squished concept that never should have seen production.

Also I dislike Us car companies in general, except I can tolerate Ford. In the 60's-80's they used to follow a buisness strategy called planned obselence. Meaning they would make a car which would work perfectly for the set time they wanted it to (80k or so 3-4 years normal driving) and then everything would break down, so it would make more sense to buy a new car then to fix it. The Japanese came in, made cars which lasted 250k+ (10 years average driving) and nearly killed the market. Now, in order to compete, they make their cars hidious (look at a 60's malibu interior, it's much better then the current day malibu, heck it's as good as BMW and Benz), and they still follow the planned obselence buisness strategy. Except now they sell their cars cheaper (before options), and they only las half as long as a japanese or german counterpart (Have you ever been in a dodge or chevy with over 300,000km/180,000 miles? Ignore Dodge Caravans from the early 90's and 80's, they used Mitsubishi engines and transmissions).

As for the Dodge Dart in general, that's something every large company does, and I hate it. They take a good old Rear Wheel drive car and when they remake it, they just take an existing platform and change the body panels and all it that. The Dart should be a Rear Wheel drive car, but to make dodge more appealing to youth, and to compete against the Japanese, they are taking the name, and slaping it on an existing Front Wheel drive chasis.

That is just wrong.

It would be nice to see a new Rear Wheel drive Dodge Dart. Something smaller then the Challenger, and with 150-300hp. A low end Rear wheel Drive platform.

I'm also doing the lvel 50 for Ferrarri mainly because there are like 50 in the game, and a good number of high end ones. I was originally thinking about doing it for Lotus, but Lotus is only good for low end races, there is no race spec car, the fastest is S class. Lamborghini Would also have been a good pick, but they have no race cars, and the Sesto Elemento is ugly inside.



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Stadelhuber said:
Porsche. And I would like to have Open Wheelers.
Forza 5 needs some more important improves than just new cars.
More Tracks, day/night, weather, off-road, pit-stop-strategy (refuel)...

Well you have to realize Turn 10 did what they could with the limitations of the 360. 360 doesn't have the parallel processing capabilities of PS3 (which has more cores) so to make 16 cars on track AND have weather and an active sun would crash the game (still cuts the FPS to 30 on GT5).

I think choosing to keep the game running at 60 FPS steady was a better decision.

Maybe the next gen Forza will be able to do that, after all the cars in Autovista mode are suppose to be the car models in Forza 5.

Also more tracks? Really? Forza 4 has the most track varients compared to all sims (over 100). I guess there wasn't a big jump from Forza 3, but wow, you want a lot.

Open Wheel cars I agree, I specifically want the two Ariel Atoms (3 and 500V8)



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Michael-5 said:
Stadelhuber said:
Porsche. And I would like to have Open Wheelers.
Forza 5 needs some more important improves than just new cars.
More Tracks, day/night, weather, off-road, pit-stop-strategy (refuel)...

Well you have to realize Turn 10 did what they could with the limitations of the 360. 360 doesn't have the parallel processing capabilities of PS3 (which has more cores) so to make 16 cars on track AND have weather and an active sun would crash the game (still cuts the FPS to 30 on GT5).

I think choosing to keep the game running at 60 FPS steady was a better decision.

Maybe the next gen Forza will be able to do that, after all the cars in Autovista mode are suppose to be the car models in Forza 5.

Also more tracks? Really? Forza 4 has the most track varients compared to all sims (over 100). I guess there wasn't a big jump from Forza 3, but wow, you want a lot.

Open Wheel cars I agree, I specifically want the two Ariel Atoms (3 and 500V8)


I know, that it is nearly impossible to realize the weaher on the 360 (with 60 fps). But Forza 5 will be next gen.

And the question was, what would I like to see ;)

But more than the weather-stuff Is like to get the box-stop improvements. (Tactical) Refuel was possible in Forza 2 (I think), never understood, why they dropped it.



Stadelhuber said:
Michael-5 said:
Stadelhuber said:
Porsche. And I would like to have Open Wheelers.
Forza 5 needs some more important improves than just new cars.
More Tracks, day/night, weather, off-road, pit-stop-strategy (refuel)...

Well you have to realize Turn 10 did what they could with the limitations of the 360. 360 doesn't have the parallel processing capabilities of PS3 (which has more cores) so to make 16 cars on track AND have weather and an active sun would crash the game (still cuts the FPS to 30 on GT5).

I think choosing to keep the game running at 60 FPS steady was a better decision.

Maybe the next gen Forza will be able to do that, after all the cars in Autovista mode are suppose to be the car models in Forza 5.

Also more tracks? Really? Forza 4 has the most track varients compared to all sims (over 100). I guess there wasn't a big jump from Forza 3, but wow, you want a lot.

Open Wheel cars I agree, I specifically want the two Ariel Atoms (3 and 500V8)


I know, that it is nearly impossible to realize the weaher on the 360 (with 60 fps). But Forza 5 will be next gen.

And the question was, what would I like to see ;)

But more than the weather-stuff Is like to get the box-stop improvements. (Tactical) Refuel was possible in Forza 2 (I think), never understood, why they dropped it.

Yes your right, refueling was possible in Forza 2, and it isn't in 3 (Haven't done an endurance race in 4 yet). Dunno why they dropped it, maybe to keep FPS up?

Not that big of a deal though, you'll go through a set of tires before your tank is empty (unless you have a crap car and non sport tires).

I'm just happy that turn 10 go after quality instead of quantity. Rain is nice, but holding 60FPS is nicer. Dynamic Sun isn't that big of a deal because the longest endurances races are only a little over an hour long (in Forza 2 and 3 they were, I assume 4 is the same), and there are races that take place in morning, day, and dusk.

For next gen though I agree.

Also one thing that Forza doesn't have, which shocks me, is the ability to turn the Force Feedback and ABS. You can tune brake force, but not ABS specifically, and you can't change the Force Feedback. Hope they change that in Forza 5, I like a stong feedback wheel.



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Michael-5 said:
smbu2000 said:

(Have you ever been in a dodge or chevy with over 300,000km/180,000 miles? Ignore Dodge Caravans from the early 90's and 80's, they used Mitsubishi engines and transmissions).

I don't really disagree with your post but I saw this and just had to comment on it.

I had a 1994 Chevy Cavalier beater with 228,000 miles on it. But really it was a freak of nature car that in all rights shouldn't had been running for the entire period that I had it lol.



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yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:
smbu2000 said:

(Have you ever been in a dodge or chevy with over 300,000km/180,000 miles? Ignore Dodge Caravans from the early 90's and 80's, they used Mitsubishi engines and transmissions).

I don't really disagree with your post but I saw this and just had to comment on it.

I had a 1994 Chevy Cavalier beater with 228,000 miles on it. But really it was a freak of nature car that in all rights shouldn't had been running for the entire period that I had it lol.

That's still nothing compared to a typical Honda or Toyota. One of my highschool friends drives the same Toyota 4 Runner he drove in highschool, it has 450,000km (270,000 miles) and run smoothly. Another of my friends Honda Civics is at 350,000km (210,000 miles) and it runs fine. My neighbours is at 300,000km (180,000 miles) and runs fine.

I have a BMW 318i and it's at 280,000km (170,000 miles or so) and I have no engine issues, no oil leaks, and everything works.

For german and Japanese cars, 300,000 (180,000 miles) is the expected minimum. For an american chevy or dodge (even ford) it's almost impossible.

It's because of Planned Obselence. Ever notice how a 70's Dodge doesn't have a 100,000 digit in the odometer? Engines weren't expected to last that long. Parents used to be faithful to American cars, but since then went benz, they never went back (but ae considering lexus now).



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Michael-5 said:
yo_john117 said:
Michael-5 said:
smbu2000 said:

(Have you ever been in a dodge or chevy with over 300,000km/180,000 miles? Ignore Dodge Caravans from the early 90's and 80's, they used Mitsubishi engines and transmissions).

I don't really disagree with your post but I saw this and just had to comment on it.

I had a 1994 Chevy Cavalier beater with 228,000 miles on it. But really it was a freak of nature car that in all rights shouldn't had been running for the entire period that I had it lol.

That's still nothing compared to a typical Honda or Toyota. One of my highschool friends drives the same Toyota 4 Runner he drove in highschool, it has 450,000km (270,000 miles) and run smoothly. Another of my friends Honda Civics is at 350,000km (210,000 miles) and it runs fine. My neighbours is at 300,000km (180,000 miles) and runs fine.

I have a BMW 318i and it's at 280,000km (170,000 miles or so) and I have no engine issues, no oil leaks, and everything works.

For german and Japanese cars, 300,000 (180,000 miles) is the expected minimum. For an american chevy or dodge (even ford) it's almost impossible.

It's because of Planned Obselence. Ever notice how a 70's Dodge doesn't have a 100,000 digit in the odometer? Engines weren't expected to last that long. Parents used to be faithful to American cars, but since then went benz, they never went back (but ae considering lexus now).

Like I said I didn't quote you for an argument because frankly I agree with most of it. I just responed to you asking if anyone's ever seen a Chevy or Dodge with over 180k miles.



yo_john117 said:

Like I said I didn't quote you for an argument because frankly I agree with most of it. I just responed to you asking if anyone's ever seen a Chevy or Dodge with over 180k miles.

Oh yea, but it just barely did more then that, and because economy cars with i4's are so cheap to repair, they often last a long time (where V8's get dated and are not worth fixing after some point).



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Michael-5 said:
yo_john117 said:
 

Like I said I didn't quote you for an argument because frankly I agree with most of it. I just responed to you asking if anyone's ever seen a Chevy or Dodge with over 180k miles.

Oh yea, but it just barely did more then that, and because economy cars with i4's are so cheap to repair, they often last a long time (where V8's get dated and are not worth fixing after some point).

48k isn't just barely over 180k  



Michael-5 said:
Chris Hu said:
Michael-5 said:
Chris Hu said:
The 2013 Dodge Dart,Bugatti 16C Galibier Concept, 2013 Alfa Romeo 4C, 2013 Ford Taurus SHO, 2013 Maserati Kubang and the 2013 Peugeot 208 would be nice as far as future DLC for new cars.

You know the revival is a FF car, not FR. I don't see why anyone would want a Dodge in the game, I wish Crysler just died in the recession.

The Alfa Romeo 4C is an awesome looking concept, hope it eventually makes it over to North America. Another good and similar concept would be the Audi R4 (Two seater compeditor to the Porsche Cayman and BMW Z4)


Its a compact car so FF makes more sense then FR also its going to be the first car with a optional 9 speed automatic transmission.  Also Chrysler kinnda died in the recession since it now is owned by FIAT and so far they are doing a better job with it then Mercedes did when it was Daimler Chrysler.  The Alfa Romeo 4C will make it the US part of FIAT's strategy for buying Chrysler is so that they could reintroduce FIAT and Alfa Romeo back to the US market.  The Audi R4 looks really good its like a slightly more compact Audi TT.

FF never makes more sense, and when they take an old FR car and ruin it by making it use the same FF chasis as their base economy cars it makes me sad.

Every time I see a US corporation make a new car, I look where the chasis comes from, and most of the time it saddens me. FF suck.

Eww automatic 9 speed, bleh

Audi TT = girls car, Audi R4 = mans car.

and Yea I'm really excited for the re-introduction of Alfa Romeo. I'm not a fan of fiats or alphas, but it's nice to see some European cars which aen't German on Canadian roads. Tired of rednecks driving trucks, and large cars in cities, you don't need them.

FF does make more sense for a compact car.  All compact cars on the market today are FF drive cars.  Even Mercedes Benz's A-Class is FF and before that I think they never made a FF drive car.  Mercedes Benz had a 111 year history of making FR cars before they introduced the A-Class so if they can't make a competitive FR in todays market I doubt anyone else can.  Also I think the Dodge Dart is a huge upgrade over the car it replaces the Dodge Caliber and an even better upgrade of the car before that the Dodge Neon which for the most part was a big joke.