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Did the recent Nintendo downfall help them?

Assuredly so! 16 15.24%
 
yes 26 24.76%
 
NO 8 7.62%
 
Still waiting to see if t... 28 26.67%
 
Maybe 10 9.52%
 
other 1 0.95%
 
see resultz 15 14.29%
 
Total:104

Got half way through before tl;dr XP

OT: When someone realizes what they did wrong, they have the chance to make it better - I wish N the best of luck :)



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Soleron said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:
Soleron said:

 

Nearly everything you wrote, sry. Late January is late january, nevertheless good holiday sales are good holiday sales (and these sales are about 1/3 of yearly sales).

OK, obviously amazing holiday sales would be to their credit. I expect ambivalent holiday sales (not much better than 360/PS3 for Wii, tracking a lot below DS's later Christmases for 3DS), but *dead* post-holiday sales, like near zero.

2D Mario was and probably is a monster, but 3DS is far from dead and you should know that. By the way, 2D Mario on 3DS???

2D Mario is a different game series in consumers' minds. I can tell by the way 64/Sunshine/64 DS/Galaxy/Galaxy 2/3D Land were/are selling on similar trajectories, and NSMB DS/Wii have trajectories tracking unbeliveably above those numbers, but cost less to make.

You're dead Sir,

dead wrong!

2D Mario ftw, i can't hear that sh*** anymore!

I personally prefer 3D Mario to 2D Mario. Nevertheless I accept the economic reality that 3D Mario will never sell as well and Nintendo needs to stop pushing that as their flagship series, when 2D Mario and Wii Sports should recieve the development love (orchestrated soundtracks, sparkling graphics etc). You're letting your own preferences get in the way of what Nintendo should make.

Rol, stopp it!

 



It's not about my preferences. The important question is: "Will the DS/2D Mario fan buy a 3DS/2DMario combi?"

I don't know, but 3DS is already above 1st year sales of DS, just after 8 months. Add Mario Kart, MH3G etc. and you think sales will drop to "zero-level". I call it BS!

Wii is dead, WiiU is coming, PS360-like sales are amazing for Wii, imho (considering 3rd party support of the last YEARS, sales are gigantic!).

3DS is selling on track now, with DS still selling, too.

2D-Mario could still come to 3DS and accelerate sales, but nevertheless 3DS sales are perfectly fine. DEAD???

If anything, Vita is DOA, but we'll see!

 



ninty_shareholder64 said:
Soleron said:
ninty_shareholder64 said:
Soleron said:

 

Nearly everything you wrote, sry. Late January is late january, nevertheless good holiday sales are good holiday sales (and these sales are about 1/3 of yearly sales).

OK, obviously amazing holiday sales would be to their credit. I expect ambivalent holiday sales (not much better than 360/PS3 for Wii, tracking a lot below DS's later Christmases for 3DS), but *dead* post-holiday sales, like near zero.

2D Mario was and probably is a monster, but 3DS is far from dead and you should know that. By the way, 2D Mario on 3DS???

2D Mario is a different game series in consumers' minds. I can tell by the way 64/Sunshine/64 DS/Galaxy/Galaxy 2/3D Land were/are selling on similar trajectories, and NSMB DS/Wii have trajectories tracking unbeliveably above those numbers, but cost less to make.

You're dead Sir,

dead wrong!

2D Mario ftw, i can't hear that sh*** anymore!

I personally prefer 3D Mario to 2D Mario. Nevertheless I accept the economic reality that 3D Mario will never sell as well and Nintendo needs to stop pushing that as their flagship series, when 2D Mario and Wii Sports should recieve the development love (orchestrated soundtracks, sparkling graphics etc). You're letting your own preferences get in the way of what Nintendo should make.

Rol, stopp it!

 



It's not about my preferences. The important question is: "Will the DS/2D Mario fan buy a 3DS/2DMario combi?"

Yes. The console is not important. But they would have to treat said 2D Mario like a premium game which they are not prepared to do (recycled graphics/music for NSMB Wii).

I don't know, but 3DS is already above 1st year sales of DS, just after 8 months. Add Mario Kart, MH3G etc. and you think sales will drop to "zero-level". I call it BS!

It is tracking above DS at a time when DS also had "no games" except SM64DS. Pre-Mario Kart/Brain Traning/Animal Crossing/Nintendogs/NSMB DS. This time next year I'll be surprised if it's tracking half of DS at that time.

Wii is dead, WiiU is coming, PS360-like sales are amazing for Wii, imho (considering 3rd party support of the last YEARS, sales are gigantic!).

PS360 like sales are disappointing for a console that should be selling PS3+360 levels. Nintendo has let momentum fall this low, and it is still riding on Wii Sports/Fit/NSMB Wii alone. Wii U will have none of the back catalogue to keep selling.

3DS is selling on track now, with DS still selling, too.

I don't care about hardware unit sales, Nintendo is losing money per unit. I care about software sales (abysmal) and Nintendo's profits (negative). DS sales means that Nintendo have failed to convince them to transition yet, just like PS2 selling vs PS3 did. What you want is a GC-> Wii situation where sales of the previous fall to zero, because Nintendo isn't making much on DS and DS software.

2D-Mario could still come to 3DS and accelerate sales, but nevertheless 3DS sales are perfectly fine. DEAD???

Dead. Yes. Defined as: Nintendo is making a loss on it and software attach rates are the lowest of any major console of all time. (<2)

If anything, Vita is DOA, but we'll see!

Yes indeed. If it's priced way more than 3DS including memory it is excluding itself from DS owners just as much as 

 





amp316 said:
1. Probably not. Nintendo seems to constantly read incorrectly why they are successful. They will say that a lot of Wiis were bought on Black Friday because people wanted to play Skyward Sword. They also claimed that people originally bought the Wii for Twilight Princess. The truth is that common person bought the Wii for Wii Sports and games like that. Now they are buying it because of the price.

2. Nintendo will continue to go down the path that they did with the Gamecube.  3. They are going to give people what they truly wished that they wanted with the Wii U instead of what they truly want.


1. Do you REALLY think Nintendo doesn't realise that Twilight Princess is only SEVENTEENTH on the list of best sellers for Wii? You think they misinterpreted the market and put Wii Sports in there by accident? 

 

2. The Gamecube was awesome. It was a gamer's dream. Unfortunately most people out there aren't gamers so it didn't sell a shit-load. With the Wii Nintendo CHANGED their approach. Hence the success.

 

3. No. Just no. 

 

Humans are like gold fish. Has everyone already forgot that Nintendo made one hell of an impact with Wii/DS and was even nominated for best run company in the world? Best in the world, and now some average gamers say they know where Nintendo make their faults.



spurgeonryan said:
Dr.Grass said:
amp316 said:
1. Probably not. Nintendo seems to constantly read incorrectly why they are successful. They will say that a lot of Wiis were bought on Black Friday because people wanted to play Skyward Sword. They also claimed that people originally bought the Wii for Twilight Princess. The truth is that common person bought the Wii for Wii Sports and games like that. Now they are buying it because of the price.

2. Nintendo will continue to go down the path that they did with the Gamecube.  3. They are going to give people what they truly wished that they wanted with the Wii U instead of what they truly want.


1. Do you REALLY think Nintendo doesn't realise that Twilight Princess is only SEVENTEENTH on the list of best sellers for Wii? You think they misinterpreted the market and put Wii Sports in there by accident? 

 

2. The Gamecube was awesome. It was a gamer's dream. Unfortunately most people out there aren't gamers so it didn't sell a shit-load. With the Wii Nintendo CHANGED their approach. Hence the success.

 

3. No. Just no. 

 

Humans are like gold fish. Has everyone already forgot that Nintendo made one hell of an impact with Wii/DS and was even nominated for best run company in the world? Best in the world, and now some average gamers say they know where Nintendo make their faults.


I am glad someone else recognized the GC for what it was. I've added about 300 GC critic review to this site and most of them had strong scores! its strange that it had so many good games and ports , but did not sell that well. i hope Nintendo learned from that as well.


Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.



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Dr.Grass said:
spurgeonryan said:
Dr.Grass said:
amp316 said:
1. Probably not. Nintendo seems to constantly read incorrectly why they are successful. They will say that a lot of Wiis were bought on Black Friday because people wanted to play Skyward Sword. They also claimed that people originally bought the Wii for Twilight Princess. The truth is that common person bought the Wii for Wii Sports and games like that. Now they are buying it because of the price.

2. Nintendo will continue to go down the path that they did with the Gamecube.  3. They are going to give people what they truly wished that they wanted with the Wii U instead of what they truly want.


1. Do you REALLY think Nintendo doesn't realise that Twilight Princess is only SEVENTEENTH on the list of best sellers for Wii? You think they misinterpreted the market and put Wii Sports in there by accident? 

 

2. The Gamecube was awesome. It was a gamer's dream. Unfortunately most people out there aren't gamers so it didn't sell a shit-load. With the Wii Nintendo CHANGED their approach. Hence the success.

 

3. No. Just no. 

 

Humans are like gold fish. Has everyone already forgot that Nintendo made one hell of an impact with Wii/DS and was even nominated for best run company in the world? Best in the world, and now some average gamers say they know where Nintendo make their faults.


I am glad someone else recognized the GC for what it was. I've added about 300 GC critic review to this site and most of them had strong scores! its strange that it had so many good games and ports , but did not sell that well. i hope Nintendo learned from that as well.


Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Alright guys.  If the Gamecube is so great, then would you explain how the worst Mario, Mario Kart, and Zelda were released on it?  Also,  I like Luigi's Mansion, but that mansion should have been much, much bigger. 

I guess that I'm not a gamer.



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Nintendo will be fine. 3DS has picked up, and it should get better. Though Wii has slowed down they have confirmed to keeping it alive along side the WiiU but who knows for how long. (maybe through FY2013). The only variable would be the WiiU itself. Keep in mind the N64 and the Gamecube never dominated their Generation but Nintendo still managed to stay healthy not to mention the consoles were great in a strictly gaming perspective.



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amp316 said:
Dr.Grass said:
spurgeonryan said:
Dr.Grass said:
amp316 said:
1. Probably not. Nintendo seems to constantly read incorrectly why they are successful. They will say that a lot of Wiis were bought on Black Friday because people wanted to play Skyward Sword. They also claimed that people originally bought the Wii for Twilight Princess. The truth is that common person bought the Wii for Wii Sports and games like that. Now they are buying it because of the price.

2. Nintendo will continue to go down the path that they did with the Gamecube.  3. They are going to give people what they truly wished that they wanted with the Wii U instead of what they truly want.


1. Do you REALLY think Nintendo doesn't realise that Twilight Princess is only SEVENTEENTH on the list of best sellers for Wii? You think they misinterpreted the market and put Wii Sports in there by accident? 

 

2. The Gamecube was awesome. It was a gamer's dream. Unfortunately most people out there aren't gamers so it didn't sell a shit-load. With the Wii Nintendo CHANGED their approach. Hence the success.

 

3. No. Just no. 

 

Humans are like gold fish. Has everyone already forgot that Nintendo made one hell of an impact with Wii/DS and was even nominated for best run company in the world? Best in the world, and now some average gamers say they know where Nintendo make their faults.


I am glad someone else recognized the GC for what it was. I've added about 300 GC critic review to this site and most of them had strong scores! its strange that it had so many good games and ports , but did not sell that well. i hope Nintendo learned from that as well.


Just don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

Alright guys.  If the Gamecube is so great, then would you explain how the worst Mario, Mario Kart, and Zelda were released on it?  Also,  I like Luigi's Mansion, but that mansion should have been much, much bigger. 

I guess that I'm not a gamer.


Worst Mario: It was only the second 3D Mario ever. Failing to live up to ridiculous expectations shouldn't be surprising.

Worst Zelda: Was fantastic.

Worst Mario Kart: Not really my thing (I hate catch up systems), but I owned it and have to ask: Was it really that bad?

Luigi's Mansion: Was ok. Added to the library.

Metroid Prime 1 and 2: The whole world of videogames was shaken by Prime. People will deny it now, but go read those reviews. GO READ THEM. This game was on another level to any other for me - simply perfect. Nr.2 was ok.

Resident Evil Remake, 

Resident Evil Zero,

Resident Evil 2&3,

Resident Evil Code:Veronica,

Resident Evil 4:

Seeing as how I was a Resident Evil fan (not anymore at all though), this was PRETTY TANTALIZING stuff. Not to mention that RE4 would've stayed exclusive if 'real gamers' actually bought Nintendo's brilliant console. I know there's a DC game and two PSOne titles that weren't altered, but still - the whole RE library at your fingertips. Kiddy console MY ASS.

Waverace, FZero, Super Monkey Ball, Eternal Darkness, TWILIGHT PRINCESS (you CANNOT forget that this is a GC game), Zelda Collectors edition, Viewtiful Joe...

And you fail to mention how incredible Smash Bros was on the Cube. Certainly a massive leap from the N64...

Rogue Squadron II (where are launch titles like this these days eh!?), PIKMIN (OMG what a game), Tales of Symphonia, Fire Emblem...

Something that got me VERY excited and ultimately was 'just' very good, Metal Gear Solid:Twin Snakes...

Skies of Arcadia, Starfox Adventures (I actually found this title very polished and beautiful), Baiten Kaitos...

Now those are just the (all to some extent or another exclusive) games I owned and enjoyed. I know that is the majority of the best ones anyway, but there are more...Paper Mario, Tennis, Golf...

And don't forget there are tons of 3rd party games. I enjoyed Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance for instance. Also, Fifa, Timesplitters, Beyond Good and Evil...

 

The Gamecube had the potential to be the purest gaming console ever - no CD player, no DVD, nada. It was set to be what the N64 could've been. Unfortunately the 'gamers' couldn't see what the purple box was offering them. IT HAD MINIDISCS FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. And the coolest controller ever. If those damn fools bought some consoles then there would've been MORE exclusives (RE4 for instance) and MORE 3rd party support.

So yes, I am saying that any real gamer would've loved the Gamecube if he actually gave it a shot. Short-sightedness due to public perception of the product, and idiotic gamers being enamoured by 'adult' consoles has shaped today's industry.

Last gen it was practically necessary to own all the consoles. I owned the PS2, Gamecube, Dreamcast, Xbox (in that order), and the GC was by far the most played and most loved. This gen, Wii360 or PSWii is more than adequate. These days a PS3 by itself is more than justified.

The richness has gone. How can you not see that?



amp316 said:
Probably not. Nintendo seems to constantly read incorrectly why they are successful. They will say that a lot of Wiis were bought on Black Friday because people wanted to play Skyward Sword. They also claimed that people originally bought the Wii for Twilight Princess. The truth is that common person bought the Wii for Wii Sports and games like that. Now they are buying it because of the price.

Nintendo will continue to go down the path that they did with the Gamecube. They are going to give people what they truly wished that they wanted with the Wii U instead of what they truly want.

I disagree with this

 

WiiU is not going the same way as GC. If that was the case they would just have had advanced graphics and a regular controller but instead they create a new controller that opens up new game play possibilities that could not be done before. So they are taking the same path as they did with Wii but this time with advanced graphics which they normally do anyway except when it came to Wii.

Now I said it in another thread. But the reason the GC failed was because it came out late and did not have as many games as the PS2 did. When you have consoles that can be played the same way but have different amount of games on them people will go for the console that has the most games to play if they don’t fallow certain franchises.



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Apparently I am not a real gamer according to Mr. Grass because I tried out the Gamecube and felt that it was Nintendo's worst system. I never called it kiddy, BTW.

Now I shall log out and cry.



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