link : http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_lumia_800_sales_fail_to_meet_targets-news-3411.php

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Nokia was really trying hard to convince us that everyone wants a piece of their first WP smartphone. The company stated that the Lumia 800 has broken all of its pre-order records and the demand for the smartphone stays high after it hit the shelves.

However, if the Pacific Crest analyst James Faucette is to be believed, the Lumia 800 won't be able to meet the sales targets set by its manufacturer. Previously tipped to generate over 2 million sales, the Lumia 800 will reportedly only manage a quarter of that number.

If Nokia manages to ship just 500,000 Lumia 800 units, then the company is in big trouble. The Finns' newly appointed CEO basically put all of his eggs into the Windows Phone basket and failure simply isn't an option.

Of course, we'll be much better prepared to talk about this once the holiday season is over and we have some official numbers."

not too surprising to me, personally i think it would have been a smarter move for them to pick up an os showing greater growth than wp7 like android but we'll have to wait a little longer to see how this partnership plays out

f you actually read in to this and see where it is coming from...this is all because one analyst says they are not doing well...Pachter of smartphone industry anyone?

In the meantime Nokia has said the following:
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-11-18/nokia-says-windows-phones-get-remarkably-positive-response.html

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111122PB201.html

http://wmpoweruser.com/compal-buoyed-by-nokia-lumia-orders/

That last article is especially interesting because if the analyst states Nokia will sell 500,000 units to retail and the company that makes the windows phones apparently made 800,000 total phones in Oct and Nov...some of which weren't for Nokia.  So it seems to be doing quite alright so far, may even have sold out the first shipment.

"Orange UK estimated, Lumia 800 already gathered the highest number of preorders ever recorded for a Nokia handset, overcoming extremely popular models like Nokia 5800 and N95. Despite the optimism shown by Nokia, the merit of success enjoyed by Lumia 800 in Great Britain can not be entirely attributed to the design team."

http://blog.emobilez.com/2011/11/20/lumia-800-the-best-selling-nokia-smartphone-so-far/

A little to early to call it, especially from one analyst. While WP7 is definitely not growing at the moment, it could change now that Mango has released and its feature set is comparable to iOS and Android. However, with no support from Verizon (US largest carrier) and Android continuing to climb in sales each year, I'd put money on WP7 going out slowly like BB is.

Hell, if Verizon actually carried a decent selection of WP7 phones, I would consider one as the layout and style is appealing. However, since Verizon finally has a Nexus device on the way... I very happy right now... now I just need it to freakin' launch already.

At 1.7% marketshare or whatever it is at now, it really can't "go out" any more than it already has. There is always going to be a hardcore following of 2% no matter what kind of carrier or marketing push the device gets. Symbian and Palm OS in North American for example...

Blackberry on the other hand at 20% marketshare will be "going out" for sure.

What I mean by going out is that even at 1.7% it losing sales year over year. Its not remaining flat, but continuously declining. BB is doing the same at a faster rate, of course... but when you have a larger number in the first place, there's more to lose.

PalmOS gone already completely as HP closed up that ship.
Symbian has been reduced to feature phones.
Blackberry is slowly going out and only remains due to it being a hardware and software company so at any % market share, if its profitable BB will remain.

Windows Phone doesn't have that luxury as MS doesn't make the hardware. Nokia will drop it and move to Android if it doesn't rebound significantly while other 3rd parties will only make a phone or two with WP on it while greater majority of their products still have Android.

Granted, this is only IF WP continues to drop in sales or remains flat. If it shows increase over this next year as Nokia really puts out serious phones and MS heavily markets its latest features, it could increase and become a real competitor.

Otherwise it will remain largely a two horse race.

WP7  isnt declining. Windows phones including WP7 ave always been grouped together. Wher it was 7% before and now at 1.7% i because overtime M$ have phased out te old Windows Phone devices. Now WP7 is shown on its own. We will never know how much of the initial numbers were actually WP7 back in the day.

As for this analyst. ROFL

WP7 is set to make great gains. Nokia Lumia 800 is about to break all Nokias previous  records. And the proof is in the EU carriers telling us just how  fast they are recieving preorders an interest right now. Alot of buzz and praise from EU carriers. 

The anlyst mkes me laugh. He obviously doesnt read the news or official preorder figures. 

Anyone who thinks WP7 is dying I think is inn for a shock by March next year. I  reckon WP7 will have around 20% by June 2012.

I seriously doubt that Selnor, Android and iOS are beasts. And I hear that annoying BBM ping EVERYWHERE.

I dont think so. veryone said the same about Android to. 

Wp7 is poised perfectly. Nokia, Metro UI on 360 and rumoured Windows 8 Metro UI release next year. With full integration across the 3 platforms that is quite revolutionary. 

The major factor to my tought though is the big backing carriers in EU are starting to give Nokia WP7. And the latest news about HTC maybe backing away frm Android.

I like windows phone 7 a lot Selnor, but I don't see it happening by June 2012. They will be crazy lucky to get 10% marketshare by then...if they can convert the 60-70% of the Symbian nokia crowd.

Only with Windows 8 and Apollo do they have a chance, but they have to figure something out with OEMs. The restrictions they have on OEMs in terms of hardware and software are wonderful and bad at the same time.

Wonderful for users who can expect a uniform experience no matter which device they get, and terrible for OEM's who don't have the freedom to push their tech as hard as they can with WP.