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firelink said:
adsl said:
I'm getting sick of all the journalists that have been interviewing him but didn't ask a single question about Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower.


Why would they?

 

He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO control over whether they get localized or not. NONE. ZILCH.


How do we know that?  He should come out and say it if that's the case.  Michael Patcher isn't a reliable source when it comes to stuff like this.

 

I just fail to make sense of the fact that countries like Australia and South Africa are allowed to localize it but not America.



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firelink said:
adsl said:
I'm getting sick of all the journalists that have been interviewing him but didn't ask a single question about Xenoblade, The Last Story or Pandora's Tower.


Why would they?

 

He has ABSOLUTELY ZERO control over whether they get localized or not. NONE. ZILCH.

But they can find out an official (and maybe reasonable) reason for the question: why aren't those games going to be released in America?



Yeah, I'm getting sick of Reggie too. He needs to go.



I'm sick of Wii-only gamers whining about the same 3 games that will never see the light of day in NA because they were never big titles to begin with. They would have sold like 10k copies each and would have been relegated to the bargain bins in most retail stores within a few weeks.

And it's not just those games but other Japan-only titles too like Fatal Frame 4, and that incredibly stupid-looking Captain Rainbow game that people also complained about not getting localized versions of them either. Instead of demanding that Nintendo actually focus more on supporting the Wii with more AAA software, as both Sony and M$ have done for their respective consoles to keep their sales and support strong, you've been reduced to complaining about a few niche titles not getting western releases.



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NightDragon83 said:
I'm sick of Wii-only gamers whining about the same 3 games that will never see the light of day in NA because they were never big titles to begin with. They would have sold like 10k copies each and would have been relegated to the bargain bins in most retail stores within a few weeks.

And it's not just those games but other Japan-only titles too like Fatal Frame 4, and that incredibly stupid-looking Captain Rainbow game that people also complained about not getting localized versions of them either. Instead of demanding that Nintendo actually focus more on supporting the Wii with more AAA software, as both Sony and M$ have done for their respective consoles to keep their sales and support strong, you've been reduced to complaining about a few niche titles not getting western releases.


I own all 3 consoles and well, Xenoblade is definitely one of the best games I played this generation.  I can totally understand people wanting to play that game without jumping through a bunch of hoops like importing and homebrewing.  The reviews support my position as well.  Xenoblade is an AAA game.

 

I think it would do better than 10k, espeically since there are 10k people on the Operation Rainfall Facebook page alone.  If Nintendo did the unspeakable - actually advertise - it would be better.



"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."  --Hermann Goering, leading Nazi party member, at the Nuremberg War Crime Trials 

 

Conservatives:  Pushing for a small enough government to be a guest in your living room, or even better - your uterus.

 

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NightDragon83 said:
I'm sick of Wii-only gamers whining about the same 3 games that will never see the light of day in NA because they were never big titles to begin with. They would have sold like 10k copies each and would have been relegated to the bargain bins in most retail stores within a few weeks.

Xenoblade would sell at least 200k in Americas.  To say it would only sell 10k is an understatement.  The Last Story would sell at least 30-50k if it didn't get marketed at all.  Stores would have to purposely hid these titles and tell customers they weren't in stock to sell 10k.



I guess I'm one of the few who actually likes Reggie...



morenoingrato said:
Yet, if that was the case, those games would have never released in EMEAA in the first place.
Any explanation for that?

Things aren't black and white like everyone says. Firstly before I give some explanations I will remind you I said Reggie was likely involved in the decision I just stated he probably was not completely responsable for it. Nintendo of America has long had a policy of not bringing any software to North America that it didn't deem proper for the North American market. Whether that be for sales purposes or the purpose of keeping a developer happy.

Rather then give you a half dozen other reasons which I have. I will give you Nintendo's response, their was no evidence that titles like these titles had sales potential in North America. Now also keep in mind that Nintendo had stated in fact Reggie himself stated "We will be watching very closely what happens in Europe,”He followed that saying “Certainly if there are business opportunities and positive consumer uptake from some of those titles, that will be great data for us to consider as we look at what to do with these titles.”(Source)

Lets look at the titles XenoBlade sold 110,000 copies in Europe which would make it a worth while candidate for North America. However both Xenoblade and Last Story failed to break 200k in Japan where traditionally JRPG's sell the strongest. Now lets compare that to Mother which Nintendo in Japan did not see worth while for the North American market, well Mother 3 nearly broke the 400K mark in Japan while Mother 1+2 broke 450K. Nintendo in Japan obviously didn't think that 450K was high enough to warrant a release in NA why would that be any different with any of the three titles today?

Why did NOE bring the titles if Nintendo didn't see their marketing potential in North America. Well their are two very plausable reasons. The first is to test the waters if the titles could be hugely successful in Europe maybe Nintendo would need to reconsider North America. Another reason is Europe is becoming increasingly important to Nintendo's survival and by releasing the games in Europe Nintendo gains a lot of brownies with Europeans. Its an easy way for Nintendo to test the market while winning brownie points.

Lets say that XenoBlade could sell 200K in North America. Is it really worth the investment? Look at Advance Wars a series based in the Nintendo Wars franchise, the first title arrived during the GBA in North America. It proved that turn based strategy games popular in Japan could succeed in NA. Suprisingly VGChartz seems to lack much data on Advance Wars or Fire Emblem, but both titles were massive in Japan.

Look all three titles show promise but are any of them seriously big enough to warrant localization in NA? Now I would say yes but Nintendo in Japan has constantly said no. If Mother which sold 450K was not successful enough to warrant release in NA then their is no way Nintendo in Japan would think that XenoBlade or Last Story were.

Nintendo stated many times about Mother that releasing in NA would simply cost too much and it was too big of a risk for Nintendo to take. It started with Mother which Nintendo had apparently translated and even had the cartridge made and packaging etc...etc... but they cancelled it at last minute because they didn't think it would sell in NA especially with SNES coming out soon. EarthBound did make it but Nintendo didn't deem it a over whelming success the game was scarce and Nintendo was really scared to bring certain games to NA.

Look Nintendo of Europe is and was likely a test by Nintendo. Considering Reggie says the Wii will continue to sell for years to come their is still a chance that Nintendo will release the three titles next year or later. But the fact is at 200K is it worth while for Nintendo to bring the title to North America? Square Enix didn't bring a ton of titles to NA which performed way better in Japan then Last Story or Xenoblade.

Again it isn't Reggie entirely, if he was involved in the decision at all it was likely based heavily on Nintendo's policies with regards to North America. There are several good explanations as to why Nintendo released titles in Europe and obviously the titles have not done well enough for Nintendo to bring them to NA. Can't really put all the blame on Reggie.



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I've never really liked Reggie, but I really don't understand the hate he's getting as of late. As I said in a different thread: 'NoE skipped on localising Soma Bringer, but it doesn't mean I want Satoru Shibata's head on a plate'.

However, I do think that NoA are accountable for the localisation (in this case lack of) of games. I just think that NoE has really stepped up their game this generation, not only are we rarely missing 1st and 2nd party games (Soma Bringer is really the only one I care a lot about), but we often are getting games before the US, despite the extra localisation work, such as Mario Kart Wii, the 3DS and most recently Zelda SS.

I think much of this is due to the fact that NoE now has fuck loads of money to throw around, due to the massive leap from the European sales of Nintendo platforms/software last gen and this gen. More importantly though, they are willing to use that money on expanding their portfolio of games (games like Solatorobo, Disaster DoC and Jam with the Band almost certain didn't make a profit and without a doubt not supernormal profit). Also, I honestly think that NoE had no intention originally of localising Pandora's Tower; Operation Rainfall in the US threw the game onto the agenda of the gaming public, NoE just saw a good opportunity to prevent bad publicity and boost their standing.




Reggie will rise to the stars again at E3 2012 and they will all go back to loving him.

I hear he plans on starting a new meme. One better than ' My body is ready', 'check that box' and 'what's wrong with you'.