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Viper1 on 30 July 2012
Persistantthug said:


Really?

 

So then when are Sony going to announce it?

GAMESCOM?  That's in 2  weeks.

No?

 

Oh...so then you must think TGS 2012 in 6 weeks then.

 

If not, then it's over, superchunk, and you would be wrong........again

 

Of course, on this subject,  I'd reckon you might be used to being wrong.


One can reasonably posit that someone is wrong without the supersilicious attitude.



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Conegamer on 30 July 2012

With the whole console launch thing- The 3DS was revealed in March, and launched less than a year later. So long as it's announced this year, or at the latest GDC next year, there's a good chance it'll be out come the end of the year.

Remember- the Sega Saturn came out the day after in was revealed.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Play4Fun on 30 July 2012
Viper1 said:
Ok, the 8 GB Next X rumor is partially true. It's a dev kit, as GoogleYourself noted it probably was, and as such they do tend to have about double the RAM of the actual consumer model. It has been confirmed that it was a true "Durango" dev kit being put up for sale (moron).

But we don't know if the 4 GB consumer model will be available for all gaming functions or if a large portion is being held for Kinect 2 and/or the OS.

As for Wii U, we still don't know exactly how much RAM it has.


It's 6 - 8 GB RAM for the retail console. The dev-kits are said to have 12-16GB RAM.

A couple of guys on GAF say that the final console will have 8GB with a good chunk for OS, multitasking, etc since MS are focused on making a multi-media box for the living room and not just a dedicated gaming machine.



superchunk on 30 July 2012
Play4Fun said:
Viper1 said:
Ok, the 8 GB Next X rumor is partially true. It's a dev kit, as GoogleYourself noted it probably was, and as such they do tend to have about double the RAM of the actual consumer model. It has been confirmed that it was a true "Durango" dev kit being put up for sale (moron).

But we don't know if the 4 GB consumer model will be available for all gaming functions or if a large portion is being held for Kinect 2 and/or the OS.

As for Wii U, we still don't know exactly how much RAM it has.


It's 6 - 8 GB RAM for the retail console. The dev-kits are said to have 12-16GB RAM.

A couple of guys on GAF say that the final console will have 8GB with a good chunk for OS, multitasking, etc since MS are focused on making a multi-media box for the living room and not just a dedicated gaming machine.

Can you link the gaf thread? I hadn't seen that on there.



Play4Fun on 30 July 2012
superchunk said:
Play4Fun said:
Viper1 said:
Ok, the 8 GB Next X rumor is partially true. It's a dev kit, as GoogleYourself noted it probably was, and as such they do tend to have about double the RAM of the actual consumer model. It has been confirmed that it was a true "Durango" dev kit being put up for sale (moron).

But we don't know if the 4 GB consumer model will be available for all gaming functions or if a large portion is being held for Kinect 2 and/or the OS.

As for Wii U, we still don't know exactly how much RAM it has.


It's 6 - 8 GB RAM for the retail console. The dev-kits are said to have 12-16GB RAM.

A couple of guys on GAF say that the final console will have 8GB with a good chunk for OS, multitasking, etc since MS are focused on making a multi-media box for the living room and not just a dedicated gaming machine.

Can you link the gaf thread? I hadn't seen that on there.

LINK.

Here. The guy said the person who released this rumour is wrong about the GPu being from Nvidia and that it's an AMD GPU. Link1     Link2



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superchunk on 30 July 2012
Play4Fun said:
superchunk said:
Play4Fun said:
Viper1 said:
Ok, the 8 GB Next X rumor is partially true. It's a dev kit, as GoogleYourself noted it probably was, and as such they do tend to have about double the RAM of the actual consumer model. It has been confirmed that it was a true "Durango" dev kit being put up for sale (moron).

But we don't know if the 4 GB consumer model will be available for all gaming functions or if a large portion is being held for Kinect 2 and/or the OS.

As for Wii U, we still don't know exactly how much RAM it has.


It's 6 - 8 GB RAM for the retail console. The dev-kits are said to have 12-16GB RAM.

A couple of guys on GAF say that the final console will have 8GB with a good chunk for OS, multitasking, etc since MS are focused on making a multi-media box for the living room and not just a dedicated gaming machine.

Can you link the gaf thread? I hadn't seen that on there.

LINK.

Here. The guy said the person who released this rumour is wrong about the GPu being from Nvidia and that it's an AMD GPU. Link1     Link2

TY.

Still think nvida/intel is not even plausible, so having that with the ram leaves less credibility. I'll leave 4GB for now as I think it will be that and maybe a bit higher.



Gilgamesh on 30 July 2012

This is for when Superchunk get's banned...

July24 update

Name Wii U neXtBox PS4
Project Cafe Durango Orbis
CPU

IBM Power 710 Express
4 cores @ 3GHz
(tweaked to be 8 threads vs 16)

OR 3 core version with 3.2GHz (maybe still 4 but with 4th dedicated to OS?)

IBM Power7
6 cores @ 3.7GHz

AMD Fusion
A8-3850 "Llano"
4 cores @ 2.9GHz

OR (latest rumor)
AMD Fusion
?FX-8XXX "Steamroller"
4 cores @ 3.2GHz
GPU

AMD 4000 series
RV770XT (HD 4870)
766MHz
OR
HD6770

 AMD 7000 series
(8x > X360 GPU)

AMD HD6550 in APU
and/or
AMD HD 7670
800MHz
or some other 7XXX GPU in the Steamroller APU.
Memory 2GB RAM (512MB for OS)
32MB eDRAM

 4GB RAM
>32MB eDRAM		 4GB RAM
Storage

8GB Flash Memory
External USB HDD 
SD Card (up to 64GB)

 Internal Flash (diff skus?)
250GB+ HDD
 Internal Flash (diff skus?)
250GB+ HDD
OS Custom Nintendo UI
App integration (GoogleTv?)
MiiVerse and Nintendo Network
Video/Voice/text chat w/ gamepad		 Windows 8 core
App integration
Live
Video/Voice/text chat w/ Kinect2/phone/tablets/kb		 Custom Sony UI
App integration (GoogleTv?)
PSN
Video/Voice/text chat w/ eye/phone/tablets/kb
Media Proprietary 25GB Disc
Wii Discs

Bluray

 Bluray
Display up to 1080p
Various connectors		 up to 1080p
Various connectors		 up to 1080p
Various connectors
Controllers 2 Gamepad controllers
4 Pro controllers
4 Wiimotes and all Wii accessories		 Variant of 360 controller
Kinect 2.0
SmartGlass		 Variants of Dual Shock and Move
Integration with tablets/phones?
Other 4 USB
Fully b/c with Wii
Wi-Fi (802.11n)
 USB
B/C with 360
Wi-Fi (802.11n)

Wi-Fi (802.11n)
Launch November 2012
 2013

2013
Price $299 USD
$299 EUR
20,000 YEN		 $299 USD ?

 

CPU: (neXtBox > PS4 >= Wii U)

 

Wii U NeXtBox PS4 PS4 (latest)
IBM Power 710 Express IBM Power7
 AMD Fusion (A8-3850)
 AMD Fusion (Steamroller)

Produced:    2010
Clock:            3Ghz to 3.2GHz
Cores:           3 or 4
L1 cache:     32+32 KB/core
L2 cache:     256 KB/core
L3 cache:     4 MB/core
Threads:      2/core

Produced:    2010
Cores:           6 or more
L1 cache:     32+32 KB/core
L2 cache:     256 KB/core
L3 cache:     4 MB/core
Threads:      4/core

 Produced:  2011
Cores:         4
L1 cache:   64+64 KB/core 
L2 cache:   1MB/core
L3 cache:   none
Threads:    1/core		 ?FX-81-40
Produced:  2013
Cores:         4
L1 cache:   64+64 KB/core
L2 cache:   4MB/core
L3 cache:   8MB
Threads:    2/core

 

Source info from companies sites, wikipedia, newegg, and tom's hardware.

Ok so now things are coming to what more people would consider as expected. PS4 is the biggest change and back to top level. However, this top-tier has some risks as it will be priced high, hot, and have low yields. For now I'll leave both PS4's high and low end rumors. Still, WiiU will not be like Wii and it is still running with the big boys.

GPU: (neXtBox >= PS4 >= Wii U)
I decided to break this up a little bit due to so many rumors per console. I also added more data per GPU for better comparisons.

 

Wii U's Card (original rumor)
 Wii U's (more recent rumor)
AMD HD 4870 AMD HD 6770

Produced:        2008
Memory:    115GB/s 256bit GDDR5
Clock core:       750Mhz
Clock Mem:      900Mhz
GFLOPS:            1200
Pixel Fill Rate:  12GP/s
Texture Fill:      30GT/s
TDP:                   ~150W

 Produced:        2011
Memory:   76.8GB/s 128bit GDDR5
Clock core:      850Mhz
Clock Mem:     1.2GHz
GFLOPS:            1360
Pixel Fill Rate:  13.6GP/s
Texture Fill:      34GT/s
TDP:                 18 to 108W

 

More recently Wii U has been rumored to have an upgraded GPU in order to be able to utilize Unreal Engine 4. The newer card would be a good upgrade to the original and based on rumors below, it should be right in line with the PS4... possibly even a better card.

 

neXtBox
AMD HD 7000 series
Produced:        2012
Bandwidth:     ~70 to 260 GB/s
Memory:          128 - 256bit GDDR5
Clock core:       800MHz to 1GHz
Clock Mem:     400MHz to 1.4GHz
GFLOPS:            600 to 3870
Pixel Fill Rate:  1.6 to 32GP/s
Texture Fill:      3.2 to 118GT/s
TDP:                 6.4 to 230W

 

Really not a whole lot here for neXtBox. Still waiting on a proper rumor to place the card. I'd bet it would be a higher end 7000 series.

 

PS4 card (default with APU)
 PS4 card (rumored 2nd card  or similar chip with new APU)
AMD HD 6550 AMD HD 7670 
Produced:        2011
Memory:         29.9GB/s 128bit DDR3-1866
Clock core:        600MHZ
Clock Mem:      ??
GFLOPS:            480
Pixel Fill Rate:  4.8GP/s
Texture Fill:      12GT/s
TDP:                  25 to 100W		 Produced:        2012
Memory:         64GB/s 128bit GDDR5 
Clock core:        800MHZ
Clock Mem:      1000MHz
GFLOPS:            768
Pixel Fill Rate:  6.4GP/s
Texture Fill:      19.2GT/s
TDP:                 12 to 66W

 

PS4 is still pretty unclear. If its the low-end APU then it very well could be less than some of WiiU's rumors or at par with them. If its the newer APU or a combination of lower APU with 2nd card, then it could be at par with the neXtBox rumors.

Memory: (neXtBox = PS4 > Wii U)

Looks like WiiU is going with 2GB of shared RAM for everything and 512MB or that dedicated to OS. Rumors of the other system are still unclear, but I wouldn't expect more than 4GB. Interesting if they have double the RAM of Wii U. Unfortunately, the type of RAM is still unknown for any system.

Controls:

 

  WiiU neXtBox PS4
Main Controller(s)

Gamepad

  • 6.2" HD touch screen
  • Dynamic video based on postion and game intent
  • Ability to create mobile sensor for Wiimotes
  • Mic and Speaker + headphone connection
  • Dual analog, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons
  • Rumble
  • Ability to play games/video without use of TV
  • Rechargeable built-in battery
  • Bluetooth
  • NFC
  • TV learning remote

Wireless Pro Controller

  • Dual analog, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons
  • ?Rumble
  • Rechargeable built-in battery
  • Bluetooth

Variation of 360 controller

  • Dual analog, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons
  • Rumble
  • ?Rechargeable built-in battery
  • ?Bluetooth

Variation of Dual Shock

  • Dual analog, four face buttons, four shoulder buttons
  • Rumble
  • Rechargeable built-in battery
  • Bluetooth

 
Secondary

All Wii controls

  • Wiimote (plus and regular)
  • Nunchuk
  • Balance Board
  • Classic Controller (pro and regular)

Interoperability with any smartphone or tablet for MiiVerse, eShop, etc types of interaction. (Don't believe this is gameplay related)

Kinect 2.0

  • Two cameras allowing up to 4 active players.
  • Better camera quality
  • Better voice controls

SmartGlass

  • Interoperability with any tablet/smartphone for full dashboard, shop, communications, and probably gameplay. 
  • Could provide many features similar to WiiU where sticks and buttons are not required.
 Move 2.0 and/or tablet device or Vita promotion?


Burning Typhoon on 30 July 2012
superchunk said:
Burning Typhoon said:
I didn't read the thread, but, if the xbox would double as a PC with windows 8, I'd like to have one. First time I'd ever been interested in a console that wasn't sega, nor sony...

Still, I wouldn't get 1st edition of ps4, or xbox because with my luck, I'd have lemons.. I'd give it at least a year. Glad I don't have a vita now, with all the overheating issues... Waiting is good, and it doesn't kill the bank.

While it will surely run win8 (probably the RT  or mobile version), I doubt it will be full PC. More likely just media focused, apps, and cloud stuff. But with a bluetooth keyboard, I don't see why it couldnt' do just about everything else too. However, that's just speculation as nothing is confirmed yet.

OMFG!  Dude..  I need help...  I can't find my interest...  I lost it right after I read your comment!



Viper1 on 30 July 2012
Play4Fun said:
Viper1 said:
Ok, the 8 GB Next X rumor is partially true. It's a dev kit, as GoogleYourself noted it probably was, and as such they do tend to have about double the RAM of the actual consumer model. It has been confirmed that it was a true "Durango" dev kit being put up for sale (moron).

But we don't know if the 4 GB consumer model will be available for all gaming functions or if a large portion is being held for Kinect 2 and/or the OS.

As for Wii U, we still don't know exactly how much RAM it has.


It's 6 - 8 GB RAM for the retail console. The dev-kits are said to have 12-16GB RAM.

A couple of guys on GAF say that the final console will have 8GB with a good chunk for OS, multitasking, etc since MS are focused on making a multi-media box for the living room and not just a dedicated gaming machine.

6-8 GB in the retail SKU?  The BS meter is reading well into the red on this one.



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superchunk on 30 July 2012
Gilgamesh said:

This is for when Superchunk get's banned...

 

 


ahhh man. I've been banned three times since 2006. It doesn't really ever happen. :)