I'm really starting to doubt whether spending my time reading these forums is worthwhile.

One of the worst openings to an OP I've seen.

...Just calling a spade a spade.

I already said this on another thread:

PS4 needs to have EXTERNAL GPU support!!

Make a good system with a very good CPU and a average GPU. After 2-4 years, Sony should release a external GPU that would massacrate X720 in graphics.
See how nowadays a cheap GPU is superior than PS3/X360 ones...

That way, PS4 can have a similar price than its competitors, but enthusiast gamers also have the option to pay more and get more power. That extra power would be determined by the deveoper and should be easy to implement. For example, better resolution, better fps, better 3D should be easy to implement. For 1st party developers, they could expand more in the idea and maybe offer better textures, better physics and better lightning.

Unless making an external port to the PS4 mainboard is THAT expensive, I don't see why this should not be made.
I would probably not buy this immediately, but maybe some years after getting PS4. However everyone should be sattisfied.

woah woah WOAH!

lol

im not a master at making threads so relax

but hey you can criticise me all you want about it though because i still consider myself a rookie :)

and believe it or not there are some people who actually thought that Sony launched 1st the 5th and 6th generation.

but feel free to let me know about any other mistakes i've made if you would like :)

yes the PSVita will launch at a loss

it will cost Sony $310 to make the Vita but they will sell it at $250.

The $310 cost to make Vita will drop down to $280 by 2013

they make up for those losses with the software profits

but Sony's having the PSP around will also cancel out some of that loss at PSVita's launch

this has to be like the 5th time i've seen you make this claim but you never seem to be able to name them...

for gt5 i can think of dynamic weather - rain, snow etc, more race types like rally, F1, go karting etc, day-night transitions, course maker etc

for forza for the most part all i can think of is the livery editor, autovista and kinect integration

Sony made the ps3 difficult to grasp/develop for because they didn't want any developers taking advantage of it too early in it's cycle

even the ps3 dev kits were the most expensive

i remember at Sony's E3 2008(if im not mistaken) they announced that they would cut the ps3 dev kit price's by 80%

That still doesn't negate the fact that the other divisions - such as TV etc are far from profitable, not even breaking even. Where do you think they'd get the capital to launch a console when they've been losing money the last 4 years?

Hence my point, until financial situation improves with Sony, they'll likely delay launch as long as possible - the only people that actually want the next generation to come are the fanboys, so they can have bragging power, I highly doubt that the corporations such as Microsoft and Sony are in a rush to bring new console out, although MS is in a better position to launch a new console than Sony is at the moment.

You know corporations don't have access to unlimited amount of money, and I am genuinely surprised Sony can carry on spending money such as on the Ericsson deal when they're making a loss.

yea Forza got those 90+'s on metacritic easily early on because Turn10 had no competition earlier this gen

the best driving simulator that released before Forza 2 was *drumrolls* Gran Turismo 4(which was on a last gen console)!

 and we all know that Gran Turismo 5 didn't release until after Forza 3 came out

look the only people who ever complained about ps3 being hard to develop for were people who had worked on 360(3rd party developers)

i remember 1 3rd party developer was explaining some things about ps3 and why it is more complex to develop for than other platforms

he was saying something about the ps3's divided ram and since it is divided into 2 parts that when you are using 1 section of the ram the other section will bite you in the a** if you do something specific but i cant really remember though

it kinda made sense because 360 has 1 whole 512 mb of ram and PS3 has 256 mb of system ram and another 256 mb of video ram

now if somebody like a Sony 1st party dev ONLY works on ps3 tell me how exactly would they find it to be hard to develop for if the ps3 is all they know?  how would they know that ps3 is difficult to develop for if they never even worked on something like the 360?

you should think about things before you say them man

and also lets say a regular person who owns ps3 and 360 goes to the store and is browsing for a racing game. Lets say that they just so happened to pick up Forza and Gran Turismo,reads the back and goes off of that information(which most people do for all games). Which game do you think they would pick? would they pick the 1 that has Nascar, night/day cycle, track editor, dynamic weather or would they pick the other one that doesn't have that stuff? clearly they would pick the game with the most content

it is what it is, you can say what you want about GT and Forza but Polyphony outdid Turn10's Forza games this gen with GT5 *lifts shoulders*

hmm.. i think somebody has forgotten who Sony Computer Entertainment is

i know they made some dumb decisions but let me bring you back up to speed on this company this gen really quick

okay i know that this saying has gotten cliche but it is what it is, the PS3's pricing KILLED IT in basically every way possible

now im sure you know that games make a console right? ok

do you remember that list of Sony's 15 cancelled PS3 games that popped up a while back?

well here it is again --> http://gamingbolt.com/15-cancelled-ps-3-games-that-should-have-never-been-cancelled

i believe there were a few other cancelled ps3 games that did not get mentioned in that list if im not mistaken

but i want you to think about that for a second. Just imagine what it would be like right now if there were FIF-FUCKING-TEEN more exclusive franchises on PS3 right now like there was supposed to be. Not to mention that most of them WOULD HAVE gotten sequels

and we all know that most games get better by the sequel  :)

^^^but that's just 1 thing

now what about the games that were originally going to be PS3 exclusive? The Devil May Cry's, Final Fantasy's, Tekken's and if im not mistaken weren't games like Grand Theft Auto, Asassins Creed and Resident Evil going to be only on ps3? im almost certain all of them were

now also imagine if those games weren't on 360 right now and they were only on ps3 like it was originally going to be.

and i dont want to here none of that "oh i dont care about those games" because microsoft wouldn't have tried so hard to get them if they didn't care about them :)

they would have lost MAJOR market share in America and the rest of the world from these alone ESPECIALLY Grand Theft Auto(maybe not so much with Asassins Creed because it was not really a known franchise at the time)

if Grand Theft Auto would have stayed exclusive back in 08 then the ps3 would be selling more in America each week right now and the gap would be extremely smaller than it is at the moment. Sony would be right behind if not ahead of Microsoft in America right now just by GTA alone

do you understand what im telling you? Sony's original plan with the PS3 was to damn-near dreamcast the 360 if you get my drift

but that plan 100% back fired on Sony. why did it back fire you ask?? *another drumroll* the price!

the price was just to damn high! Not only was it damn high  but they STILL were losing 200 F**KING DOLLARS each sale!

$200 is way too much money to lose each sale!

now i always thought that Sony were freaking idiots to let microsoft get exclusive dlc with Grand theft Auto but Sony really couldn't do anything about it. Sony was already losing $200 each ps3 sale so it's obvious that they didn't have much money to throw around and keep competitive with

all those other games could have stayed exclusive if Sony just payed the devs to keep them exclusive but of course it's obvious why they did not have any money to throw around so they were all lost

now ps3's high a** price of course made the ps3 have the image of not selling software so this also didn't help with developers having faith in staying ps3 exclusive

and Sony ALSO couldn't continue to support most of the developers who were making exclusive games for the PS3 so of course most of the games got canceled. I mean that $200 loss EACH sale had to go somewhere

and as for the people at microsoft, i bet everybody over there's balls jiggled when all this stuff happened with Sony this generation

6th Generation of Gaming: Sony completely dismantled there competition with the PlayStation 2

7th Generation of Gaming: Sony completely dismantled THERE DAMN SELVES with the PlayStation 3 simply due to it's price

i dont see Sony shooting themselves in the foot with the PlayStation 4's price next generation ..they already confirmed it :)

now i shall say this again

This is the best Microsoft will EVER do against Sony!

EDIT: O_o woah! i just noticed that i've written a giant wall of text lol ..i dont think i will be doing this again =P

Most likely if Sony gets them selves back to the way they were with the PSX.They will blow every console out of the market.If Sony is smart enough they should wait 1 year again.Wait for the 360 to come out then release the PS4.
Oh and I can already feel the launch titles.
God of War 4 please!