LordtheKnight is right, people were gushing over it, saying it would sell Wii like numbers, it would crush PSP, the 3d is so great, people would not resist. That all turned out to be crap. I was one of the people who were dead wrong and Lord was actually one of the few who were right. 3DS did not set the world on fire like we thought it would, live and learn.
| oniyide said: LordtheKnight is right, people were gushing over it, saying it would sell Wii like numbers, it would crush PSP, the 3d is so great, people would not resist. That all turned out to be crap. I was one of the people who were dead wrong and Lord was actually one of the few who were right. 3DS did not set the world on fire like we thought it would, live and learn. |
Maybe in this site. You just need to enter any 3DS news comments section on IGN or any other big site to see what the "hardcore'' think about the 3DS. The general consensus is that after Vita launches the 3DS will cease to exist, and after that happens nintendo is going to go bankrupt. It was the gaming press and Nintendo fans who were gushing over the 3DS, not the "Hardcore" gamers.
"Maybe in this site. You just need to enter any 3DS news comments section on IGN or any other big site to see what the "hardcore'' think about the 3DS. The general consensus is that after Vita launches the 3DS will cease to exist, and after that happens nintendo is going to go bankrupt. It was the gaming press and Nintendo fans who were gushing over the 3DS, not the "Hardcore" gamers."
No, that is the CURRENT situation, NOT what was being done after E3 2010. It wasn't unanimous, but still widespread.
A flashy-first game is awesome when it comes out. A great-first game is awesome forever.
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sensebringer said:
Maybe in this site. You just need to enter any 3DS news comments section on IGN or any other big site to see what the "hardcore'' think about the 3DS. The general consensus is that after Vita launches the 3DS will cease to exist, and after that happens nintendo is going to go bankrupt. It was the gaming press and Nintendo fans who were gushing over the 3DS, not the "Hardcore" gamers. |
THats not what people were saying at e3 2010, most people were positive or at least indifferent. Now at E3 of THIS year, the tune might have changed. Vita has a price that doesnt suck, its more powerful. THe 3DS did not meet most people's expectations especially Ninty's. Its only recent that there has been on negative turnaround.
Blah blah blah, yadee yadee yadda.
Looking forward to the Wii U.
Looking forward to playing both 2D and 3D Mario games and other Nintendo games.
Looking forward to a console with Nintendo games plus 3rd party support.
Looking forward to seeing how Nintendo does in attempting to appeal to all markets like they said they would.
This seems to spell doom for all you sales-lovers (and some of you retro gamers) but us games-lovers couldn't be happier.
Nintendo is a dynamic company. They're not going to just be the "same old Nintendo" like you want. They will continue to change as time goes on because things change. This isn't the 90s or even the early 2000s.
As long as they keep making great, fun games, awesome consoles and don't bankrupt themselves, I'm good.
| RolStoppable said: I see, you are one of the few exceptions to the rule. Usually my assumptions based on certain behavior are pretty much spot on, but I acknowledge that they can be wrong. 1) While the Wii didn't have something like R.O.B., it still was seen very much as a toy. At least that's the impression I got from reading comments of hardcore gamers. And the DS was miles behind its competitor in terms of technology, just like the Gameboy was. Nintendo's mentality was pretty much the same, it's just that this time around third parties demonstrated a lot more resistance than during the NES/GB days which is the main reason why the final result looks differently. But the starting point was the same. Yup, anecdotal evidence will always be there. 2) Yes, GBA and 3DS are different. The GBA never faced any big problems during its lifecycle. It could be argued that this was due to the lack of a serious competitor and that the presence of one was the reason why the DS had problems initially, but where does that leave the 3DS which struggled in the absence of a competitor? It's more of a software issue anyway. The GBA had its 2D Marios, Pokémon, JRPGs and puzzle games, or simply put, the kind of games people expect from a Nintendo handheld. The DS didn't have those initially, but geared up once it got them. The 3DS doesn't have them yet, so it's no wonder that it struggles. The problem is that Nintendo has yet to announce some of these games while the DS had those announcements at that point already. This shows a change in Nintendo's overall strategy. 3) The GBA did well (outpaced the sales rates of the GB and GBC). The DS outpaced the GBA. But will the 3DS outpace the DS or even match it? This is highly doubtful at this point even though the natural course for gaming is to grow in popularity. And remember, even the DS grew Nintendo's market despite facing the strongest competitor Nintendo ever had in the handheld market. 4) I guess we'll see how third party support for the Wii U fares. Just a note: How can you say that third parties don't hate Nintendo right after citing the Gamecube's color and look as one of the reasons why they didn't support that console more? |
1) I absolutely agree with this, but it actually works in favor of my point. The NES did indeed stray away from the toy robot image, which resulted in profound success with the market and third-parties. Atari and Sega both had consoles backed by their own exclusive arcade hits, yet the NES remained the source for third-party offerings. The Wii, as you said, continues to be considered more of a toy and is unable to house the majority of games that the market is playing these days, giving it a big handicap in the eyes of developers and core gamers. Sure, the Wii may have COD, but it's not the COD. My point being that core gamers, families, kids and adults all played NES, while Wii simply cannot supply many core gamers with what they get on other systems, and they're the ones who buy the most games.
2) The comparison I was making was that both GBA and 3DS just offer more power rather than new gameplay concepts, like the DS did. I think the recent sales of 3DS prove that people don't dislike 3DS, they disliked the $250 price. Even with hardly any good games, sales were night and day after the price drop and continue to be good into the holidays where it will perform stellarly in both the east and west. The 3DS is easily going to outpace its predecessor's first year, without question. Why announce a new 2D Mario or Pokemon just yet? The console is barely over half a year old and is already getting a 3D Mario, Mario Kart and a MH remake (with MH4 announced already).
3) As I mentioned, the DS' first year sales will likely be surpassed by 3DS before the holiday even arrives, much less by the end of Feb/Mar. But I don't foresee a scenario where the 3DS has that unstoppable momentum and selling power that the DS enjoyed with the "Nintendogs, Mario Kart, Brain Age, NSMB, DS Lite phenomenon". I don't believe that 3DS sales will come too close to DS lifetime, but I think it will outsell the GBA and prove to be a very profitable success for Nintendo.
4) What I mean is, most third-parties don't hate or reject Nintendo just because they have a "family oriented" image. But sure, they hate some of the decisions Nintendo makes, like making a purple lunchbox that the market (including many families) will dismiss or sticking with expensive cartridges with limited storage space. The Wii's dated tech and inability to port games are what the third parties hated, not that the Wii was family oriented and had Miis. Of course, the fact that Bioshock or GTA wouldn't sell on the Wii in the first place is a catch-22; you need these games on your system to attract that audience, but the audience demand must be there to warrant making these games in the first place. I just hope that Wii U can somewhat break this cycle and return Nintendo to a healthy, well-rounded library again.
This thread is still going. I think joelcool and freebs2 actually mentions the real reasons for nintendo's decline and success over the years not this article. Sorry Rol but the logic is quite faulty:P At least it is well written
My 3ds friendcode: 5413-0232-9676 (G-cyber)
RolStoppable said:
This line of thinking is the reason why you were my #1 pick in ThePS3News' thread last weekend. |
Well at least i know my work is being recognized.But u are still dodging the real argument of my post that is joelcool and freebs2 response!!
My 3ds friendcode: 5413-0232-9676 (G-cyber)
oniyide said:
THats not what people were saying at e3 2010, most people were positive or at least indifferent. Now at E3 of THIS year, the tune might have changed. Vita has a price that doesnt suck, its more powerful. THe 3DS did not meet most people's expectations especially Ninty's. Its only recent that there has been on negative turnaround. |
.. err lol ... oh man.. its so easy to change tunes on the internets eh.. !
now the hardcore loves the 3DS HURRAHH!.. the VITA IS DEAD!!!!!!!!!
Now lets all dance around in a field of grass and smell the dandelions! ... fcuking oath!..
LordTheNightKnight said:
2. No, you claimed that anyone at all claiming they wouldn't succeed somehow disproves his points. 3. Wrong. There is a difference, in that he's stating WHY the last systems succeeded, and why the new ones won't, AND he's being consistent about it (as in going for a type of direction that pleases the mainstream, which he has applied to every video game system). |
1,2,3 ..new generation nintendo doomsayers!
3DS is doom3D! and the not yet released wiiU with little information is doom3D!.. so this time nintendo is definitely going to file for bankruptcy.. and pull out of the gaming business right?.. all because he cant get his 2D mario fix.. hurrah!
all the best nintendo! and thank you for the ride!
... mmmmM smell that.. dandelions! ..
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