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oniyide on 31 October 2011
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

 

I really don't see why it won't, unless they're skimping on the graphics card to the point where they can do no more than emulate the Wii in its native resolution

I mean, i know what they've said, but all these things are fluid at the end of the day, though i also don't understand why my Wii doesn't have an ethernet port, and why the Wii U apparently won't either...

Anyway, i quite liked Colors, but i'm rather bitter about Generations not being on Wii. I'll pick it up on 3DS eventually. Maybe when i get back from Japan...

There are rumblings of Generations coming to WiiU though ;)


Rumblings??! I bet my bottom dollar that it will be out for WIi U, just like that crap Sonic 06 was ported from 360 just in time for PS3 release. 

OT the cycle ended for me with All Stars Racing, it actually was quite good, hell even the online was decent.  Colors is good, i still play it once in a while and Generations is just a better version of that. The 3DS versio will be fine, just like the rest of the portable ones. Except Rivals and that Bioware game

You shall not mention the Sonic Chronicles game any longer. Let that abomination die the painful and well deserved death it deserves  

Was it that bad?! I never played it myself, I always wanted to, but the reviews are too mixed across the board and i have to much RPGs i started and havent finished anyway

Let's just say that it's easily the worst game Bioware ever made and amongst the worst Sonics too. Yes, even worse than the crap Sonic Heroes. Plus, I've struggled to find a RPG that's easier than Sonic Chronicles...they could have saved us the pain of having to go through the badly animated battle scenes and just give us an instant win key.

Well i like Sonic Heroes, it was pretty much Adventure without all the stupid scavenger hunts and horrible 3rd person shooting sections. Worst  Bioware game?? Even worse than DA 2? I find that hard to believe



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HappySqurriel on 31 October 2011
Mr Khan said:
disolitude said:
lestatdark said:
disolitude said:
lestatdark said:
3DS version for me. To be fair, the Sonic cycle ended for me with Colours (and, *gasp*, I enjoyed both Secret Rings and Black Knight too), but it's nice to hear that Generations seems to be, at least critically, the best Sonic game since the start of the so called Sonic cycle.

I too liked secret rings, and even Sonic Unleashed to an extent. However it felt detivative and not what sonic games should be like.

Sonic Colors and Episode 4 were both good and true sonic games so yeah, cycle is long over. :)

Agreed about both Secret Rings, Unleashed and Black Knight being derivative as to what a Sonic game's experience is about, though I was commenting on my personal assessment of their quality. 

Colours and 4 Episode I were indeed very good true sonic games, and I'm very eager to play Generations  

Btw, since you're also a Dolphin user, we possibly agree that Colours on Dolphin = Visual marvel. Probably one of the most beautiful games, artistically, this gen.

Oh absolutely. Sega really pushed the wii with that game, and once you bump it up to 1080p and give it some AA...its astonishing. Kinda makes me wonder why WiiU won't have HD support for Wii games...most of them look great.

I really don't see why it won't, unless they're skimping on the graphics card to the point where they can do no more than emulate the Wii in its native resolution

I mean, i know what they've said, but all these things are fluid at the end of the day, though i also don't understand why my Wii doesn't have an ethernet port, and why the Wii U apparently won't either...

Anyway, i quite liked Colors, but i'm rather bitter about Generations not being on Wii. I'll pick it up on 3DS eventually. Maybe when i get back from Japan...


Has it been confirmed that Wii games won't be upgraded for the Wii U?

The most likely reason for this (if it is correct) is that Nintendo included the Wii's CPU and/or GPU in the Wii U to ensure flawless backwards compatibility; but this would also be the more expensive approach. If they are choosing emulation, the only (technical) reason I can think of limiting the resolution is that many games may not respond well to having their resolution increased, but a better way to approach this (in my opinion) is to create a white-list of games that allow certain graphical enhancements and update it through system updates. If the 100 or 200 most popular Wii games were on this list at launch, and you slowly added to it over time, I doubt many people would play a Wii game on their Wii U that wasn't on this list.



lurkerwithnosoul on 31 October 2011

Maybe not, but it's not that great either. I'm overwhelmed by the number of bosses the game has. But other than that, i think this one delivers. My pre-order remains.



lestatdark on 31 October 2011
oniyide said:
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

 

I really don't see why it won't, unless they're skimping on the graphics card to the point where they can do no more than emulate the Wii in its native resolution

I mean, i know what they've said, but all these things are fluid at the end of the day, though i also don't understand why my Wii doesn't have an ethernet port, and why the Wii U apparently won't either...

Anyway, i quite liked Colors, but i'm rather bitter about Generations not being on Wii. I'll pick it up on 3DS eventually. Maybe when i get back from Japan...

There are rumblings of Generations coming to WiiU though ;)


Rumblings??! I bet my bottom dollar that it will be out for WIi U, just like that crap Sonic 06 was ported from 360 just in time for PS3 release. 

OT the cycle ended for me with All Stars Racing, it actually was quite good, hell even the online was decent.  Colors is good, i still play it once in a while and Generations is just a better version of that. The 3DS versio will be fine, just like the rest of the portable ones. Except Rivals and that Bioware game

You shall not mention the Sonic Chronicles game any longer. Let that abomination die the painful and well deserved death it deserves  

Was it that bad?! I never played it myself, I always wanted to, but the reviews are too mixed across the board and i have to much RPGs i started and havent finished anyway

Let's just say that it's easily the worst game Bioware ever made and amongst the worst Sonics too. Yes, even worse than the crap Sonic Heroes. Plus, I've struggled to find a RPG that's easier than Sonic Chronicles...they could have saved us the pain of having to go through the badly animated battle scenes and just give us an instant win key.

Well i like Sonic Heroes, it was pretty much Adventure without all the stupid scavenger hunts and horrible 3rd person shooting sections. Worst  Bioware game?? Even worse than DA 2? I find that hard to believe

I wouldn't touch Sonic Chronicles again even with a pole longer than the one I used not to touch DA2. Probably i'm exaggerating, though I managed to stay away from the monstruosity called DA2 and I managed to play Chronicles, so the scar is bigger



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disolitude on 31 October 2011
HappySqurriel said:


Has it been confirmed that Wii games won't be upgraded for the Wii U?

The most likely reason for this (if it is correct) is that Nintendo included the Wii's CPU and/or GPU in the Wii U to ensure flawless backwards compatibility; but this would also be the more expensive approach. If they are choosing emulation, the only (technical) reason I can think of limiting the resolution is that many games may not respond well to having their resolution increased, but a better way to approach this (in my opinion) is to create a white-list of games that allow certain graphical enhancements and update it through system updates. If the 100 or 200 most popular Wii games were on this list at launch, and you slowly added to it over time, I doubt many people would play a Wii game on their Wii U that wasn't on this list.


Reggie said at one of his E3 interviews that WiiU won't be emulating Wii games at HD. Not sure if it will be true but at this point its all we have to go on.

It just doesn't make any sense to me... Dolphin 3.0 will run very well on 3+ ghz AM2+ CPU and a GTX260(720p), specs that WiiU should match or beat easily. And Nintendo pretty much has all the proprietary coding for the Wii which they can use to make it even more efficient.



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IamAwsome on 31 October 2011
oniyide said:
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
lestatdark said:
oniyide said:
disolitude said:
Mr Khan said:

 

I really don't see why it won't, unless they're skimping on the graphics card to the point where they can do no more than emulate the Wii in its native resolution

I mean, i know what they've said, but all these things are fluid at the end of the day, though i also don't understand why my Wii doesn't have an ethernet port, and why the Wii U apparently won't either...

Anyway, i quite liked Colors, but i'm rather bitter about Generations not being on Wii. I'll pick it up on 3DS eventually. Maybe when i get back from Japan...

There are rumblings of Generations coming to WiiU though ;)


Rumblings??! I bet my bottom dollar that it will be out for WIi U, just like that crap Sonic 06 was ported from 360 just in time for PS3 release. 

OT the cycle ended for me with All Stars Racing, it actually was quite good, hell even the online was decent.  Colors is good, i still play it once in a while and Generations is just a better version of that. The 3DS versio will be fine, just like the rest of the portable ones. Except Rivals and that Bioware game

You shall not mention the Sonic Chronicles game any longer. Let that abomination die the painful and well deserved death it deserves  

Was it that bad?! I never played it myself, I always wanted to, but the reviews are too mixed across the board and i have to much RPGs i started and havent finished anyway

Let's just say that it's easily the worst game Bioware ever made and amongst the worst Sonics too. Yes, even worse than the crap Sonic Heroes. Plus, I've struggled to find a RPG that's easier than Sonic Chronicles...they could have saved us the pain of having to go through the badly animated battle scenes and just give us an instant win key.

Well i like Sonic Heroes, it was pretty much Adventure without all the stupid scavenger hunts and horrible 3rd person shooting sections. Worst  Bioware game?? Even worse than DA 2? I find that hard to believe

IMO the problem with Sonic Heroes was that there was way too much of an emphasis on teamwork. The whole "I cound never do it without you guys" story was also irritating, and it would have been much better off without Big, Cream, and the Chaotix. With all of the teamwork mechanics, and somewhat simplified story, it seems like they tried to appeal to non-Sonic gamers, and they ended up alienating their core fanbase in the process. 



zarx on 31 October 2011
disolitude said:
HappySqurriel said:
 


Has it been confirmed that Wii games won't be upgraded for the Wii U?

The most likely reason for this (if it is correct) is that Nintendo included the Wii's CPU and/or GPU in the Wii U to ensure flawless backwards compatibility; but this would also be the more expensive approach. If they are choosing emulation, the only (technical) reason I can think of limiting the resolution is that many games may not respond well to having their resolution increased, but a better way to approach this (in my opinion) is to create a white-list of games that allow certain graphical enhancements and update it through system updates. If the 100 or 200 most popular Wii games were on this list at launch, and you slowly added to it over time, I doubt many people would play a Wii game on their Wii U that wasn't on this list.


Reggie said at one of his E3 interviews that WiiU won't be emulating Wii games at HD. Not sure if it will be true but at this point its all we have to go on.

It just doesn't make any sense to me... Dolphin 3.0 will run very well on 3+ ghz AM2+ CPU and a GTX260(720p), specs that WiiU should match or beat easily. And Nintendo pretty much has all the proprietary coding for the Wii which they can use to make it even more efficient.

I think that Nintendo will be going for acurate hardware emulation so that they can just use the same emulation for all games, rather than the Dolphin's aproach of a more high level function emulation that allows changes to be made to aspects like resolution but suffers from limited compatablity and inacurate emulation. Dolphin's aproach will never reach 100% comatablity with games and requires a lot more work.



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disolitude on 31 October 2011

I found the requerements for the PC version. Recommended settings are the same as Battlefield 3 lol.

System Requirements
Minimum:
OS: Microsoft Windows 7/Vista/XP
Processor: Intel Pentium Dual-Core T4200 (2x2.0GHz) or AMD equivalent
Memory: 2GB RAM (XP)/3GB RAM (Windows 7 / Vista)
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 (512MB) / ATI Radeon HD 2900 (512MB)
DirectX®:
Hard Drive: 11 GB free hard drive space

Recommended:
OS: Microsoft Windows 7
Processor: Intel Core i5 @ 2.66 GHz / AMD Phenom II X4 @ 3.0 GHz
Memory: 3GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (1GB) / ATI Radeon HD 5850 (1GB)
DirectX®:
Hard Drive: 11 GB free hard drive space



Salnax on 31 October 2011

The cycle was never really a thing. You had some good 16 bit games, the first 3D game in 1999, a general decline through 2006, and a slow resurgence ever since. The cycle, if it existed at all, is more about the fans than the games.



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zarx on 31 October 2011
disolitude said:
I found the requerements for the PC version. Recommended settings are the same as Battlefield 3 lol.

System Requirements
Minimum:
OS: Microsoft Windows 7/Vista/XP
Processor: Intel Pentium Dual-Core T4200 (2x2.0GHz) or AMD equivalent
Memory: 2GB RAM (XP)/3GB RAM (Windows 7 / Vista)
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 (512MB) / ATI Radeon HD 2900 (512MB)
DirectX®:
Hard Drive: 11 GB free hard drive space

Recommended:
OS: Microsoft Windows 7
Processor: Intel Core i5 @ 2.66 GHz / AMD Phenom II X4 @ 3.0 GHz
Memory: 3GB RAM
Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 (1GB) / ATI Radeon HD 5850 (1GB)
DirectX®:
Hard Drive: 11 GB free hard drive space

lol, I see they used their A team for the PC port...



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