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crissindahouse on 29 October 2011

and btw you understood it wrong what the gamepro germany means with "no overworld map". they don't say there isn't a map they say how it works is bad. you can't play like you could in twilight princess or ocarina of time.. you can't just walk around searching for somehing or travel from one place to the next. you have to use portals and things like that, no exploring of the whole world -> no overworld map. no walking or riding over the world from one place to the next.

don't know if you found it but the op still criticizes it ;)



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Conegamer on 29 October 2011
Kyuubi Ricky SSJ2 said:
crissindahouse said:

@guy quoting me

yeah i bet some just say they are joking some really think like that. it's like some people hate famitsu for theri reviews (nintedogs 40/40, mario 3d land 38/40). some people hate famitus for reviews like that but they said why they do this and it's logical. people who don't like pet games just don't have to care about the review, it doesn't mean nintendogs is better it only means it's perfect in their eyes for people who like to play pet games.


Well obviously people who think like that are narrow minded not much we can do to change that.

Have you seen the XPlay Skyward Sword 'preview' on Youtube? That's pretty damn hilarious.

 

EDIT**

Thanks for the heads up about the Overworld thing. Changing now.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

Kyuubi Ricky SSJ2 on 29 October 2011
Conegamer said:
Kyuubi Ricky SSJ2 said:
crissindahouse said:

@guy quoting me

yeah i bet some just say they are joking some really think like that. it's like some people hate famitsu for theri reviews (nintedogs 40/40, mario 3d land 38/40). some people hate famitus for reviews like that but they said why they do this and it's logical. people who don't like pet games just don't have to care about the review, it doesn't mean nintendogs is better it only means it's perfect in their eyes for people who like to play pet games.


Well obviously people who think like that are narrow minded not much we can do to change that.

Have you seen the XPlay Skyward Sword 'preview' on Youtube? That's pretty damn hilarious.

 

EDIT**

Thanks for the heads up about the Overworld thing. Changing now.

No I'm on a media black out, so it didn't help that you burnt my retinas with that world map pic. XD Good thing I only saw it for a millisecond. 



miz1q2w3e on 29 October 2011

You should call the average score for this thread "The VGChartz Score" so nobody thinks that it's the actual metacritic score

 

Also: Only three more weeks till release!!! :D



Khuutra on 29 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Khuutra said:

Zelda fans are among the most insane and entitled fans of anything on the internet.

I'm throwing words against the wall in hopes that something will stick but I have no real illusions.

Speak for yourself. You tried to justify Phantom Hourglass and Spirit Tracks as a third school of Zelda design. How about keeping it real and putting these two games in the same camp you put Metroid: Other M in?

There's always a certain point where a series strayed off too far from its roots. That point was reached for Zelda when it got indirect controls over the main character. This was devastating for the combat aspect of the series.

Thank you Rol, you are an excellent assistant.



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Khuutra on 29 October 2011
RolStoppable said:
Khuutra said:

Thank you Rol, you are an excellent assistant.

I am always glad to be of help.

But seriously, what i said wasn't unreasonable.


Your statement about what Zelda is or isn't was a (very) low grade example of the kind of entitlement that Zelda fans show all the time about everything, regardless of perspective. I am many things, unreasonable amongst them, but I like to think that as a Zelda fan I am not entitled.



Khuutra on 29 October 2011
RolStoppable said:

But there are basic things that people are entitled to when they buy a certain product. If a buy a cheeseburger, I am entitled to cheese. If I buy Zelda, I am entitled to sword combat being an integral and well implemented part of the overall product, because that's one of the defining characteristics of the series since its introduction.

You can change the ingredients for a cheeseburger, but certain things like the cheese always needs to be there. And it's got to be real cheese and not some artificial/superficial substitute.

But in your case, you say that you take Zelda games as they come, so you probably aren't entitled. However, this doesn't mean that I am a bad person for demanding something that should be in Zelda.

Of course there are people who take it way too far and, for example, demand every new Zelda to be like Ocarina of Time. And when it happens to be like that, it isn't right either.


I'm trying not to be dismissive, Rol. But if somebody tries to sell you a burger and advertises it as having no cheese, you can't buy it and then complain that it has no cheese on it. You knew that when you bought it.

Now you can argue that all Zelda games should have [mechanic] or [aesthetic element], but I don't hold that anything like that is necessarily inherent to Zelda on its own. It's like - there might be a disparate collection of elements that constitute Zelda, but the removal of one of them does not constitute a non-Zelda.

A more extreme example would be one member - I won't say who - that insisted, since the game's announcement, that Skyward Sword would not be as good as Twilight Princess because it was not Twilight Princess, particularly in terms of aesthetics.

This element of "Zelda games should be [things the poster prefers]" is something that is more prevalent in Zelda fans than fans of most other series.



Moren on 29 October 2011
Khuutra said:
RolStoppable said:

But there are basic things that people are entitled to when they buy a certain product. If a buy a cheeseburger, I am entitled to cheese. If I buy Zelda, I am entitled to sword combat being an integral and well implemented part of the overall product, because that's one of the defining characteristics of the series since its introduction.

You can change the ingredients for a cheeseburger, but certain things like the cheese always needs to be there. And it's got to be real cheese and not some artificial/superficial substitute.

But in your case, you say that you take Zelda games as they come, so you probably aren't entitled. However, this doesn't mean that I am a bad person for demanding something that should be in Zelda.

Of course there are people who take it way too far and, for example, demand every new Zelda to be like Ocarina of Time. And when it happens to be like that, it isn't right either.

A more extreme example would be one member - I won't say who - that insisted, since the game's announcement, that Skyward Sword would not be as good as Twilight Princess because it was not Twilight Princess, particularly in terms of aesthetics.

 

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Khuutra on 29 October 2011
RolStoppable said:

When there's no cheese in a burger, it shouldn't be called a cheeseburger. Likewise, if sword combat takes the backseat in a Zelda game, perhaps it shouldn't be called a Zelda game anymore. In an earlier post I reminded you that you disregarded Other M as a Metroid game. I don't remember the exact details, but you had your reasons. Now the question is what makes your Metroid case different from my Zelda case?

The artstyle of a game is indeed an extreme example and really doesn't hold water, because the artworks for the Zelda series have been so diverse over the years. There's no clear definition of how Zelda has to look like other than Japanese and not some gritty Western style.

The reason why this sort of entitlement is more prevalent in Zelda fans is obviously because the series was/is able to generate a stronger emotional response in the player than most other series.

I don't disavow Other M as a Metroid game. It is a Metroid game. It's an abominable Metroid game that never should have been made and I tend to express my displeasure with it by jokingly pretending that it doesn't exist, but it is still a Metroid game and I have to acknowledge it as a smoking black mark on the otherwise phenomenal record of one of the best game series ever made.

That's the difference. My dislike is just dislike.

And yes, Zelda fans react this way because they are more affected by these games, which is because Zelda games are the best games. But they still react this way. That's all I was saying. I do not know what this argument is about.



Khuutra on 29 October 2011
morenoingrato said:
Khuutra said:

A more extreme example would be one member - I won't say who - that insisted, since the game's announcement, that Skyward Sword would not be as good as Twilight Princess because it was not Twilight Princess, particularly in terms of aesthetics.

 

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