Well..... see the thing is for large scale collisions Turn 10 uses both pre-calculated values and real time deformation modeling. Tire deformation, along with break wear, and damage to smaller compnents (like the alignment) is all modeled real time. A big hit to the was used pre-calculated values because as you see your car does not deform. Ontop of that, but Turn 10 and PD scale back those values because well any impact at high speed will ruin your race entirely. Both games sacrifice some realism to make the game playable, but I hope future games offer true simulation damage (including chasis deformation). However most manufacterers will probably not agree to this any time soon.

Fifth Gear (rival of Top Gear) did a test of a Ford Focus hitting a wall at 120MPH. It's pretty deadly, it will be a while before we see any sim model deformations like that. This is the newest season (20 i think) episode 1 or 2.

until Forza can do ANY of the above........NON FUCKING COM-PARE-A-BLE!!!!!!! like I said, not even in the same league

you can have your elaborate paint editor, 50 Ferrari's, and Jeremy who gives a fuck Clarkson. That shit don't mean a thing in my fucking RACING SIMULATOR

the above how ever does, now keep lying to yourself saying that it doesn't

I found a video showing how to change the suspension settings can do in GT5... AMAZING.

So weather, and rally racing (even though were camparing on track capabilities) make GT5 better? I included it in the poll, it's still a tie. Geez man, your so arrogent, can't you accept other people think Forza 4 is a better game (with reason)?

Also Forza 4 can't do any of that, but Forza 4 will always be more appreciated by real car fans because not only does it not have 630 Japanese cars, it has this guy.

And we can look at cars like this

Because you know, it's not a sim without a good number of high res premium cars. 12 Ferrarri's is laughable, PGR games have more then that.

Also without this

I don't know how you can call a game where you bounce off other cars to aid your turns realistic...

:P

Rain is nothing compared to a real damage model, and the most important things are the cars, and Forza 4 has a lot more cars that aren't ricers.

I guess if you really really like FF Ricer Civics, GT5 is a better sim. I don't argue it models FF car behaviour better, but I only car about MR cars, and Forza is just king with that.

I can tell you why people are acting so immature about these racing games. They are rated E for everyone instead of M for mature. You shouldn't expect too much from the kids arguing in this thread.

Well that's stretching it...

lol my vids were pointless huh, only because I was right and you can argue with them at all, typical

and no making an arbitrary point list is meaningless, listing to Jeremy Clarkson and looking at 25 cars are in no way comparable to racing in varying weather conditions and different track surfaces

and for the record I do accept that other people think Forza 4 is better for thier reasons..........but that isn't going to stop me from laughing at those reasons because seriously, they're too damn hilarious

Me: GT5 lets me race is different weather conditions, and track surfaces

Forza fans: well.......we get to listen to Clarkson narrate Forza 4, and get to paint our cars ha better sim confirmedz

how can you expect me NOT to laugh at that, seriously

believe me if it was the other way around, you'd be laughing to