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What is better for each game?

Sound: Forza 4 29 6.26%
 
Sound: GT5 6 1.30%
 
Graphics: Forza 4 14 3.02%
 
Graphics: GT5 67 14.47%
 
Sound/Graphics: Forza 4 109 23.54%
 
Sound/Graphics: GT5 144 31.10%
 
Sound: Both about the same 1 0.22%
 
Graphics: Both about the same 6 1.30%
 
Sound/Graphics: Both about the same 16 3.46%
 
See results. 69 14.90%
 
Total:461
ethomaz on 31 October 2011
Skeeuk said:

Grafix:

ive played both an i believe gt5 looks better, gt5 deffo has more flaws but it has been designed ground up to accomodate a higher resolution and more ai cars, plus actual real lighting including day night shifts, but all that comes at a cost with pixelated shadows and shadow flicker. for some reason it does it more on some tracks than other. when on song the action on screen looks incredible, everything is crisp and smooth looking. the cars look real (premium) and tracks look amazing especially the city tracks. no tracks on forza 4 are more detailed than the rome madrid and tokyo R circuits. yet during heavy on screen action you do notice jitters in frames nothing game spoiling but you kinda wish it wasnt there, theres also lots of little detail like flashing head lights the shulsport gtr with its triple flash looks cool in the dark and i also noticed your driver looks into rear mirror when reversing, not sure if thats in forza didnt check it

with forza 4, all the visuals are ultra vibrant and colourful with more track detail (normal circuits), but the picture does in no way look like  realistic cars/tracks, just jump on nordshliffe and it looks the same as pgr4 rendition brash colourful etc, by all means that doesnt make the grafix suck or anything it just looks different. some of the issues i had with forza 4 was the AA you could see lines all over the place it wasnt as smooth or as crisp as gt5 this was very apparant on the top gear track, the 2nd to last left turn it was difficult to make out the angle due to AA jagging out the edges (my samsung plasma currently has edge smoothing turned off) but id give forza 4 a 9/10 for visuals, although i believe gt5 looks better due to inconsitany id also give it 9/10

Sound:

this is a strange catagory imo, as both sound good, the difference being forza 4 sounds are more profound. one example i can give the lexus 10 almost sounds like an f1 car it sounds terrific, on gt5 it sounds good in normal views but change to external view and you can hear the exhaust/engine rasping away etc. on forza 4 they have designed the audio to be similar all round almost eg which ever view you choose you will always get that rasping exhaust note/engine so thats a design choice and because this is a game were talking about i think forza 4 sounds better although gt5 also sounds cool, probably a 9/10 for forza and 8.5/10 for gt5

Gameplay:

again its a difficult one, depends on what you actually want out of the game, forza 4 everything is there for you to try ie any car and track, gt5 you have to work towards unlocking topgear track and nordshliffe etc. gt5 will deffo take more of your time to unlock and gain levels. the actual driving is where gt5 shines the way the cars handle to the way the track gradients are modeled its just the best ive ever played. with my time on forza 4 i didnt get the same feeling re: handling and track gradient authenticity but if you buy forza 4 you will deffo enjoy it, id give gt5 a 9/10 here and forza 8/10

Longevity:

theres not really a contest here, gt5 has much more to do its a massive game with constand updating challenges/events to try out, although the 800 standard cars arnt as good as the premiums they are however a good addition as many of the cars you wont really find in driving games, forza 4 has about 500 premiums the variety is more varied although non of them have rear internal views and from what ive played correct me if im wrong, none of the cars in forza seems to have any windscreens? many cars in gt5 when you switch in car view have real window tint. i just thought that was a neat little touch imo, but due to grater number of premiums id give car selection a draw, but i could understand users choosing forza cars due to higher number. again so sum up gt5 is a much larger game and will last you a lot longer, its the best investment ive made this gen and although a year old i still find new stuff to do on it, 1990 fiat panda 181bhp on nordshliffe was a blast! lol. online there both great but different users will have different tastes re:online 10/10 for gt5 9/10 for forza

Gripes:

my main gripes with gt5 are the snow rally chamonix course is utterly ruined by the snow pixalation, you cant re choose a car when you are doing practice courses you have to come out to main screen and re choose car, some of the standards look shit some are medium and some are actually very good indeed, but the plus point is there will always be updates for gt5 im hoping they can fix some of the issues ive raised re: gt5

forza 4, the AA is off putting but it deffo stays at more steady frame rate, all the tracks are the same as forza 3 bar 4, all the cars are same as forza 3 bar 90, i just felt it was the same game as forza 3 with additions, even when announced forza 4 was announced as forza kinect at e3 a few years ago, the ai still runs it self of road when you drive behind it etc

Conclusion:

both can co exist imo, i dont give a damn about reviewers ive never played a car game as much as gt5 once you get into its details its just amazing to take cars out to drive, and with forza its also a terrific game just different to gt5 i can understand them playing it safe to get forza more appealing to all ages it deffo does that but i wish they stuck to forza 2 single player formula which was much much better than just completing races and gaining all cars that way, it was an amazing satisfaction to save up 14million credits to get the chapparel 2j in gt5, in forza you can just keep playing season/world tour and gain most cars that way

all in all depends what you want, forza is for all ages gt5 isnt, id sum it up by saying gt5 is more for driving enthusiasts whilst forza is more for hobbyest where you can paint cars and trade them etc

my fave is gt5 i wouldnt give it less than 9.5 its just given me to much enjoyment, forza id give it 9.0 it does what it set out to and does it well

so for me its deffo gt5

Really nice mini-review .

 



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Skeeuk on 31 October 2011
ethomaz said:
Skeeuk said:

Grafix:

ive played both an i believe gt5 looks better, gt5 deffo has more flaws but it has been designed ground up to accomodate a higher resolution and more ai cars, plus actual real lighting including day night shifts, but all that comes at a cost with pixelated shadows and shadow flicker. for some reason it does it more on some tracks than other. when on song the action on screen looks incredible, everything is crisp and smooth looking. the cars look real (premium) and tracks look amazing especially the city tracks. no tracks on forza 4 are more detailed than the rome madrid and tokyo R circuits. yet during heavy on screen action you do notice jitters in frames nothing game spoiling but you kinda wish it wasnt there, theres also lots of little detail like flashing head lights the shulsport gtr with its triple flash looks cool in the dark and i also noticed your driver looks into rear mirror when reversing, not sure if thats in forza didnt check it

with forza 4, all the visuals are ultra vibrant and colourful with more track detail (normal circuits), but the picture does in no way look like  realistic cars/tracks, just jump on nordshliffe and it looks the same as pgr4 rendition brash colourful etc, by all means that doesnt make the grafix suck or anything it just looks different. some of the issues i had with forza 4 was the AA you could see lines all over the place it wasnt as smooth or as crisp as gt5 this was very apparant on the top gear track, the 2nd to last left turn it was difficult to make out the angle due to AA jagging out the edges (my samsung plasma currently has edge smoothing turned off) but id give forza 4 a 9/10 for visuals, although i believe gt5 looks better due to inconsitany id also give it 9/10

Sound:

this is a strange catagory imo, as both sound good, the difference being forza 4 sounds are more profound. one example i can give the lexus 10 almost sounds like an f1 car it sounds terrific, on gt5 it sounds good in normal views but change to external view and you can hear the exhaust/engine rasping away etc. on forza 4 they have designed the audio to be similar all round almost eg which ever view you choose you will always get that rasping exhaust note/engine so thats a design choice and because this is a game were talking about i think forza 4 sounds better although gt5 also sounds cool, probably a 9/10 for forza and 8.5/10 for gt5

Gameplay:

again its a difficult one, depends on what you actually want out of the game, forza 4 everything is there for you to try ie any car and track, gt5 you have to work towards unlocking topgear track and nordshliffe etc. gt5 will deffo take more of your time to unlock and gain levels. the actual driving is where gt5 shines the way the cars handle to the way the track gradients are modeled its just the best ive ever played. with my time on forza 4 i didnt get the same feeling re: handling and track gradient authenticity but if you buy forza 4 you will deffo enjoy it, id give gt5 a 9/10 here and forza 8/10

Longevity:

theres not really a contest here, gt5 has much more to do its a massive game with constand updating challenges/events to try out, although the 800 standard cars arnt as good as the premiums they are however a good addition as many of the cars you wont really find in driving games, forza 4 has about 500 premiums the variety is more varied although non of them have rear internal views and from what ive played correct me if im wrong, none of the cars in forza seems to have any windscreens? many cars in gt5 when you switch in car view have real window tint. i just thought that was a neat little touch imo, but due to grater number of premiums id give car selection a draw, but i could understand users choosing forza cars due to higher number. again so sum up gt5 is a much larger game and will last you a lot longer, its the best investment ive made this gen and although a year old i still find new stuff to do on it, 1990 fiat panda 181bhp on nordshliffe was a blast! lol. online there both great but different users will have different tastes re:online 10/10 for gt5 9/10 for forza

Gripes:

my main gripes with gt5 are the snow rally chamonix course is utterly ruined by the snow pixalation, you cant re choose a car when you are doing practice courses you have to come out to main screen and re choose car, some of the standards look shit some are medium and some are actually very good indeed, but the plus point is there will always be updates for gt5 im hoping they can fix some of the issues ive raised re: gt5

forza 4, the AA is off putting but it deffo stays at more steady frame rate, all the tracks are the same as forza 3 bar 4, all the cars are same as forza 3 bar 90, i just felt it was the same game as forza 3 with additions, even when announced forza 4 was announced as forza kinect at e3 a few years ago, the ai still runs it self of road when you drive behind it etc

Conclusion:

both can co exist imo, i dont give a damn about reviewers ive never played a car game as much as gt5 once you get into its details its just amazing to take cars out to drive, and with forza its also a terrific game just different to gt5 i can understand them playing it safe to get forza more appealing to all ages it deffo does that but i wish they stuck to forza 2 single player formula which was much much better than just completing races and gaining all cars that way, it was an amazing satisfaction to save up 14million credits to get the chapparel 2j in gt5, in forza you can just keep playing season/world tour and gain most cars that way

all in all depends what you want, forza is for all ages gt5 isnt, id sum it up by saying gt5 is more for driving enthusiasts whilst forza is more for hobbyest where you can paint cars and trade them etc

my fave is gt5 i wouldnt give it less than 9.5 its just given me to much enjoyment, forza id give it 9.0 it does what it set out to and does it well

so for me its deffo gt5

Really nice mini-review .

 


thanks, i wrote it when i was at work, i was reading all the comments on this thread, i thought id give my 2 cents, i cant reply with my blackberry the browser is shit, so saved it till i got home



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goforgold on 31 October 2011
Skeeuk said:
ethomaz said:
Skeeuk said:

Grafix:

ive played both an i believe gt5 looks better, gt5 deffo has more flaws but it has been designed ground up to accomodate a higher resolution and more ai cars, plus actual real lighting including day night shifts, but all that comes at a cost with pixelated shadows and shadow flicker. for some reason it does it more on some tracks than other. when on song the action on screen looks incredible, everything is crisp and smooth looking. the cars look real (premium) and tracks look amazing especially the city tracks. no tracks on forza 4 are more detailed than the rome madrid and tokyo R circuits. yet during heavy on screen action you do notice jitters in frames nothing game spoiling but you kinda wish it wasnt there, theres also lots of little detail like flashing head lights the shulsport gtr with its triple flash looks cool in the dark and i also noticed your driver looks into rear mirror when reversing, not sure if thats in forza didnt check it

with forza 4, all the visuals are ultra vibrant and colourful with more track detail (normal circuits), but the picture does in no way look like  realistic cars/tracks, just jump on nordshliffe and it looks the same as pgr4 rendition brash colourful etc, by all means that doesnt make the grafix suck or anything it just looks different. some of the issues i had with forza 4 was the AA you could see lines all over the place it wasnt as smooth or as crisp as gt5 this was very apparant on the top gear track, the 2nd to last left turn it was difficult to make out the angle due to AA jagging out the edges (my samsung plasma currently has edge smoothing turned off) but id give forza 4 a 9/10 for visuals, although i believe gt5 looks better due to inconsitany id also give it 9/10

Sound:

this is a strange catagory imo, as both sound good, the difference being forza 4 sounds are more profound. one example i can give the lexus 10 almost sounds like an f1 car it sounds terrific, on gt5 it sounds good in normal views but change to external view and you can hear the exhaust/engine rasping away etc. on forza 4 they have designed the audio to be similar all round almost eg which ever view you choose you will always get that rasping exhaust note/engine so thats a design choice and because this is a game were talking about i think forza 4 sounds better although gt5 also sounds cool, probably a 9/10 for forza and 8.5/10 for gt5

Gameplay:

again its a difficult one, depends on what you actually want out of the game, forza 4 everything is there for you to try ie any car and track, gt5 you have to work towards unlocking topgear track and nordshliffe etc. gt5 will deffo take more of your time to unlock and gain levels. the actual driving is where gt5 shines the way the cars handle to the way the track gradients are modeled its just the best ive ever played. with my time on forza 4 i didnt get the same feeling re: handling and track gradient authenticity but if you buy forza 4 you will deffo enjoy it, id give gt5 a 9/10 here and forza 8/10

Longevity:

theres not really a contest here, gt5 has much more to do its a massive game with constand updating challenges/events to try out, although the 800 standard cars arnt as good as the premiums they are however a good addition as many of the cars you wont really find in driving games, forza 4 has about 500 premiums the variety is more varied although non of them have rear internal views and from what ive played correct me if im wrong, none of the cars in forza seems to have any windscreens? many cars in gt5 when you switch in car view have real window tint. i just thought that was a neat little touch imo, but due to grater number of premiums id give car selection a draw, but i could understand users choosing forza cars due to higher number. again so sum up gt5 is a much larger game and will last you a lot longer, its the best investment ive made this gen and although a year old i still find new stuff to do on it, 1990 fiat panda 181bhp on nordshliffe was a blast! lol. online there both great but different users will have different tastes re:online 10/10 for gt5 9/10 for forza

Gripes:

my main gripes with gt5 are the snow rally chamonix course is utterly ruined by the snow pixalation, you cant re choose a car when you are doing practice courses you have to come out to main screen and re choose car, some of the standards look shit some are medium and some are actually very good indeed, but the plus point is there will always be updates for gt5 im hoping they can fix some of the issues ive raised re: gt5

forza 4, the AA is off putting but it deffo stays at more steady frame rate, all the tracks are the same as forza 3 bar 4, all the cars are same as forza 3 bar 90, i just felt it was the same game as forza 3 with additions, even when announced forza 4 was announced as forza kinect at e3 a few years ago, the ai still runs it self of road when you drive behind it etc

Conclusion:

both can co exist imo, i dont give a damn about reviewers ive never played a car game as much as gt5 once you get into its details its just amazing to take cars out to drive, and with forza its also a terrific game just different to gt5 i can understand them playing it safe to get forza more appealing to all ages it deffo does that but i wish they stuck to forza 2 single player formula which was much much better than just completing races and gaining all cars that way, it was an amazing satisfaction to save up 14million credits to get the chapparel 2j in gt5, in forza you can just keep playing season/world tour and gain most cars that way

all in all depends what you want, forza is for all ages gt5 isnt, id sum it up by saying gt5 is more for driving enthusiasts whilst forza is more for hobbyest where you can paint cars and trade them etc

my fave is gt5 i wouldnt give it less than 9.5 its just given me to much enjoyment, forza id give it 9.0 it does what it set out to and does it well

so for me its deffo gt5

Really nice mini-review .

 


thanks, i wrote it when i was at work, i was reading all the comments on this thread, i thought id give my 2 cents, i cant reply with my blackberry the browser is shit, so saved it till i got home





ethomaz on 31 October 2011
Skeeuk said:
thanks, i wrote it when i was at work, i was reading all the comments on this thread, i thought id give my 2 cents, i cant reply with my blackberry the browser is shit, so saved it till i got home

I disagree in sound part and the online for me is better in Forza 4... that's just my opinion of course .

You wrote a good text and I have a nice time reading it .



Skeeuk on 31 October 2011
ethomaz said:
Skeeuk said:
thanks, i wrote it when i was at work, i was reading all the comments on this thread, i thought id give my 2 cents, i cant reply with my blackberry the browser is shit, so saved it till i got home

I disagree in sound part and the online for me is better in Forza 4... that's just my opinion of course .

You wrote a good text and I have a nice time reading it .


next time you take a car out check the external sounds and replay sounds they sound excellent, but when you goto other views they are muffled down, i dont know why it does this it just does

re: online just look at the lounge, you are able to rest back whilst buddies are doing practice lap. you can jump in and out of that lounge/room and watch the race, plus i think shuffle race is pretty good although i do prefer races with smaller player count though full 16 is to hectic

il search for your lounge next time im online, il add you soon



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Michael-5 on 31 October 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:

Michael, your tallying post shows a bit of bias imo. But let's leave it at that.

Edid: I'd also like to add that there are not only 25 cars in GT1. It has 180 cars.

For that tally, you are free to suggest features I did not include. This is in hopes of removing any bias I may have.

And GT1....wth, why did I say it had 25? Yea it has 180 cars..okay, so then GT5 is the worst GT in the franchise IMO. Rally has taking a severe blow, quality is not uniform, and it seems PD just tried too add too much to the game and didn't succeed IMO.

No, I meant your user tallying post. Are you sure Selnor and Nsanity have played GT5 for example? The only way to determine this without bias would be to put up a poll, so I suggest yo_john does that now, with similar options as in your tally post.

In a post Nsanity claimed to have played GT5 at a friends house. selnor....he is ridiculous in Forza 4, at my level of skill, people that good I assumed played both games, but I'll ask him directly to be sure.

As for a poll...why not, but we won't able to separate the people who have even played the games. It will be largely based off the OP video



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o_O.Q on 31 October 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:

Michael, your tallying post shows a bit of bias imo. But let's leave it at that.

Edid: I'd also like to add that there are not only 25 cars in GT1. It has 180 cars.

For that tally, you are free to suggest features I did not include. This is in hopes of removing any bias I may have.

And GT1....wth, why did I say it had 25? Yea it has 180 cars..okay, so then GT5 is the worst GT in the franchise IMO. Rally has taking a severe blow, quality is not uniform, and it seems PD just tried too add too much to the game and didn't succeed IMO.

No, I meant your user tallying post. Are you sure Selnor and Nsanity have played GT5 for example? The only way to determine this without bias would be to put up a poll, so I suggest yo_john does that now, with similar options as in your tally post.

actually... there really is no way to be sure... thats why the idea tallying posts was dumb to begin with



yo_john117 on 31 October 2011

I updated with a poll.

Although I think we all know who's going to win. There are far more avid GT fans on this site than there are F4 fans.



Nsanity on 31 October 2011

@Skeeuk: Just pixelated shadows and shadow flicker? you left out ugly alpha effects during wet weather conditions, noticeable screen tearing, frame-rate dipping well below the 60FPS mark at times as well as overall graphical inconsistency.



Michael-5 on 31 October 2011
goforgold said:

Fixed for accuracy personal opinion to over ride facts(this is what you meant)

However you did add to this tally.

conclusion - Go play Forza 4, then come back.

This post is intended to shut goforgold up. I'm stoping this thread 1 user at a time. My goal here is to show that both GT5 and Forza 4 are loaded with unique and exclusive content that would make race car sim enthusiasts want both games in roughly equal proportions. If either game has a few more traits then the other, who cares! The number of pros each game has is about the same.

Every + each game gets is based off facts. Nothing subjective such as quality of the sim, or quality of the graphics will be included. For arguement perposed premium cars will be considered on par with Forza 4 cars, and tracks will be considered on par as well. I will include a second tally in a second post showing how most users on this thread think Forza 4 looks better, but for this post, graphics are the same (it will can out in both games anyway.

Anyway.. Lets start:

Cars:

GT5 has more total cars

Forza 4 has more premium model cars.

Manufacterers (Real manufacters only): GT5 - 76, Forza 4 - 79 (plus the warthog lol) - tie(Note: Tuning companies do no count as manufacterers. A AMG modified Benz is still an AMG, a Nismo tuned Nissan is still a Nissan, a Mugen tuned Honda is still a Honda. Forza lists tuner cars under parent companies so even if I counted tuners seperatly Forza would still be about the same.

Cars from Japan/Korea, GT5 has 635/1031 cars from this region. Forza 4 - 120/530

Cars from USA: GT5 - 88, Forza 4 - 128

Cars from Italy: GT5 - 50, Forza 4 - 65

Cars from Germany: GT5 - 95, Forza 4 - 101 tie 5% difference, big whoop.

Those 4 regions roughly split the bulk of world automotive sales, and are where most sports cars originate from. Britain, Sweden, France, etc are all small regions, so other smaller european regions will be combined. Total will not add up because tiny regions like Australia are not accounted for.

Cars from the rest of Europe: GT5 - 105, Forza 4 - 86

Distribution of Cars: GT5- 61.6% Japan/Korean, 10.2% Other/Europe, 9.2% Germany 8.1% USA, 4.8% Italy.

Forza 4- 24.2% USA, 22.6% Japan/Korea, 19.1% Germany, 16.2% Other/Europe, 12.3% Italy.

Car types:

Rally - GT5 has 33, Forza 4 has 7.

Nascar - GT5 has more, and NASCAR is more integrated

Go-Karts - GT5 only

Group C Race Cars - both, tie (Forza 4 has more then 1 Group C car goforgold, you only asked me to name 1 before. They both only have a handful), tie

German Touring Cars - Forza 4 has more, not going to count, but you already said agreed goforgold

F1 - GT5 has old unlicence F1 cars

Le Mans Prototypes - tie

Race modified cars total (GT1, GT2, RM) - GT5 - 75, Forza 4 - 80. tie the difference is small.

Features:

Rain, Snow, and other weather effects  GT5 (weight 2-Rain/Snow)

Night Racing - GT5

Dynamic Sun - GT5

Dynamic tire deformation model - Forza 4

Simulation Damage Modeling - Forza 4 (GT5 has a penalty system, not an active simulation damage model due to copyrights)

Cosmetic Damage Modeling - tie, both have it

Tracks and Track types:

Number of Tracks - 26 for both tie

Number of Variations - Forza 4 has over 100, GT5 has something like 70/80

Dirt Tracks - GT5

City Tracks - GT5: 7, Forza 4: 1- 

Race Types:

24 Hour Endurance Races - GT5

Season Mode - Forza 4

Total Event Count - Forza 4 has 140 I believe. GT5 has 63 + a few Specials (24 Endurance races already have a point above, this is just an event count, and most events in both games range from 15 minutes to 1 hour)

Event Variety Forza 4 wins here. GT5 only has 63 events, and most of them are repeats with different grades of cars. Forza 4 has over twice as many events, and yes a lot of repeats like GT5, but the overall count is higher. We can count them, but the number of unique events in Forza is well over the total number of events in GT5

Point to Point Rally - GT5

Point to Point Track Racing - Forza 4

Licence Testing - GT5 I would give this feature 2 weight just because it's pretty awesome, but Forza 4 does offer hints in game as well. So 1 weight, like everything else.

Drift Trials - tie Both games have this feature. In fact there was an achievement in Forza 3 for completing a race with 100,000 Kudos (which means drifting an entire lap on Nurburgring or Mt. Fuji).

Miscellaneous/Car Culture:

Top Gear Integration - Forza 4 as narraration by Clarkson, as well as multiple game types suggested by the crew of Top Gear, but both have the Top Gear Track.

Accessibility for newcomers - Forza 4 has autobrake and rewind for young gamers, and casual newcomers

Track Creator - GT5

Leveling Syste w/ Rewards - tie

Car Affinities - Forza 4, but Zero weight. Only a feature appreciated by hardcore players.

Paint Editor - Forza 4

Auction House - tie (no weight)

Dyno Test - Forza 4, but again zero weight

Amount of Online play, and Integration of Online features and leaderboards - Forza 4. GT5 only has a few race types, ghosts, and leaderboard per track per race type. Forza 4 has all that along with fun game modes (like Cat & Mouse), and Rivals Mode.

AutoVista Mode - Forza 4

Museum Mode - GT5

Museum and AutoVista Mode have weight, I would even argue 2 weights each (only 1 weight so relax). GT5 and Forza 4 are more then just car sims, they are expressions of car culture. Most people will never be able to get as close to an F40 as they do in Forza 4, and GT5 offers a very in depth history of every car.

Total: GT5: 18 Forza 4: 19 tie: 7

As you see. Both games have a lot of features the other games lack. Both games have their own highlights.

Now stubborn people of this thread. Accept other people (not most, not a few, just other people) prefer either GT5 or Forza 4. Accept that both games are amazing (I don't want to hear any more BS like one game is lacking features, content, or anything), and move on.

Next post will tally the results of this thread. Who, and how many people, think which game looks and sound better, which games have those voters actually played.

goforgold I expect to hear no more on this subject from you.

If I missed any categories, or features. Quote this and tell me what I missed. I will repost and add it, unless it's something whcih is opinion based (physics, sim quality, etc), or really silly.



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