OMG, so many things I want to say... Almost home. Thanks yo_john you get me.
ethomaz.... My opinion is FM4 is much better then GT5. What I'm trying to do, and trying to be fair, is to get GT5 fans to admit Forza 4 is a good sim, and that both games are awesome. You prefer GT5, many people do (in this thread most prefer Forza 4, and I'll show that in the tally).
Look ethomaz. Maybe your having trouble accepting Forza 4 is a better sim and a better game? You think I'm biased for my opinion, and I think you are biased for yours. That's why my goal now is neutrality. I want both sides to accept both games are equally good sims. Until you play Forza 4, you are in no position to force your opinion of GT5 being a better sim onto anyone. Neutrality makes the most sense on VGC, tired of trying to explain things to people.
ETHOMAZ!!! Stop with the opinions!!! It's a fact GT5 premium cars look better then Forza 4 cars? That's your opinion, and this type of comment will be excluded from the tally. Many review websites say Forza 4 cars will on par or better then GT5 premium cars, so for the point of comparison I will say they are on par as well (even if it's against my opinion).
Man ethomaz, I hope you understand how biased you actually are. Forza 3 AI is better then Forza 4 and GT5? Forza 4 has improved AI over Forza 3 buddy...... lol GT5 has the best AI, I will include this in the tally because I doubt people will object to this +1 for GT5.
pezus - The point of the tally isn't to show if either game is better. Why bother, people who are die hard fans of one franchise will just ignore the tally anyway. The purpose is to show both are good, and some people are just blindly supporting games, and just annoying.
pezus I'm also the most vocal because look how many people attack Forza 4! Look at how many people express opinions as facts, and just how silly some of the critisism are here. This website needs some balance between the fanbase of PS3 and 360, and I'm just a huge car nut and can't stand for inconsistancies on both sides. If more people attacked GT5, I'd back off.
Anyway, tally comming in a couple hours.