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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 24 December 2011

they aint gonna do it. wasnt the last time microsoft even mentioned about outselling the ps3 before ps3 got the price cut? they havnt mentioned it since so obviously they know they have no chance. vgchartz is putting people hopes up.



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Kai Master on 24 December 2011

No chance this year : The PS3 still has 600k more sales and it remains only one week of sales before Christmas... the week after Christmas won't be huge enough to see any influence.
This week, the 360 gained 247,692 unit sales against PS3, even if next week the gain is larger it won't be 600k I think... and moreover VGC is notorious to overtrack 360 and undertrack PS3, adjustments will give PS3 a good lead this year.



yo_john117 on 24 December 2011
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
A little over half a million to go! I do love a close race! Now lets all hope that VGC doesn't screw up like the past few X-mas severely undertracking the PS3 while overtracking the Xbox360 to an extent where it sold more than it shipped.

During the last 5 or 6 weeks they undertracked the PS3 by 3,700 and overtracked the 360 by 86,000. So I wouldn't exactly call that "severely undertracking" on the PS3's part.

 

Like almost everything on this website people overdramatized it.

As I asked thx1139 in another thread, do you have links that show this?  I could have sworn it was by more.  Of course, I could be thinking of another year.

Ask Postofficebuddy cause he was the one that did 5 or 6 weeks of comparisons between the OP of WW sales threads and the the numbers Vgchartz has now.



postofficebuddy on 24 December 2011
yo_john117 said:
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
A little over half a million to go! I do love a close race! Now lets all hope that VGC doesn't screw up like the past few X-mas severely undertracking the PS3 while overtracking the Xbox360 to an extent where it sold more than it shipped.

During the last 5 or 6 weeks they undertracked the PS3 by 3,700 and overtracked the 360 by 86,000. So I wouldn't exactly call that "severely undertracking" on the PS3's part.

 

Like almost everything on this website people overdramatized it.

As I asked thx1139 in another thread, do you have links that show this?  I could have sworn it was by more.  Of course, I could be thinking of another year.

Ask Postofficebuddy cause he was the one that did 5 or 6 weeks of comparisons between the OP of WW sales threads and the the numbers Vgchartz has now.


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4350368

Here you go. But like I said in that thread, that's just adjustments for December. Look at this for total adjustments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/83379/2010-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-january-1st/



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thx1139 on 24 December 2011
postofficebuddy said:
yo_john117 said:
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
A little over half a million to go! I do love a close race! Now lets all hope that VGC doesn't screw up like the past few X-mas severely undertracking the PS3 while overtracking the Xbox360 to an extent where it sold more than it shipped.

During the last 5 or 6 weeks they undertracked the PS3 by 3,700 and overtracked the 360 by 86,000. So I wouldn't exactly call that "severely undertracking" on the PS3's part.

 

Like almost everything on this website people overdramatized it.

As I asked thx1139 in another thread, do you have links that show this?  I could have sworn it was by more.  Of course, I could be thinking of another year.

Ask Postofficebuddy cause he was the one that did 5 or 6 weeks of comparisons between the OP of WW sales threads and the the numbers Vgchartz has now.


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4350368

Here you go. But like I said in that thread, that's just adjustments for December. Look at this for total adjustments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/83379/2010-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-january-1st/

postofficebuddy,

I dont understand what the last link is trying to show with relation to adjustments. 
1. Dont see total yearly adjustments. I have never known VGC making a point that adjustments were made.
2. Adjustments are made all of the time.  The weekly links when numbers 1st come out are compared now with the archive of sales so you can see the adjustments.

If your trying to show that an individual console was adjusted up or down over the year we know that already. It is when they were adjusted.  PS3 and 360 have already had adjustments for weeks during November and December.  The analysis I did was comparing the initial sales to the eventual adjusted sales in the VGC archive.  What we can see is that the PS3 was only adjusted 3,713 for those weeks comparing initial sales report to what is current in the VGC database.

Sure other parts of 2010 could have had adjustments. The question is when? If August sales were adjusted in September and October then it doesnt matter. What is being claimed is that year after year PS3 holiday sales tracking get large adjustments after the beginning of the next year.  Last year that adjustment was 3,713.



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thx1139 on 24 December 2011

Think the 360 still has a chance with the last week of the year. Now I say that because Canada deals for the last week of the year are out. If the US deals are similiar I can see it happening.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4354359

Summary.

Several retailers offering PS3 160GB for $50 off.

But the big sales are

360 4GB selling for $129.99 (multiple retailers) to $139.99 (one retailer). That is $60 to $70 off
360 4GB Kinect bundle selling for  $199.99(multiple retailers) to $219.99 (one retailer). That is $80 to $100 off.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

Seece on 24 December 2011
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
they aint gonna do it. wasnt the last time microsoft even mentioned about outselling the ps3 before ps3 got the price cut? they havnt mentioned it since so obviously they know they have no chance. vgchartz is putting people hopes up.

They know what competitors are doing as soon as they themselves know, they were questioned on this and stated they wouldn't be cutting the price and would still be #1. Actually around the time is when they did all of those #1 WW interviews. Since then they've said in Aug, Sep and Oct NPD they would be #1. It's Nov NPD they missed.



 

thx1139 on 24 December 2011
pezus said:
thx1139 said:
postofficebuddy said:
yo_john117 said:
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
A little over half a million to go! I do love a close race! Now lets all hope that VGC doesn't screw up like the past few X-mas severely undertracking the PS3 while overtracking the Xbox360 to an extent where it sold more than it shipped.

During the last 5 or 6 weeks they undertracked the PS3 by 3,700 and overtracked the 360 by 86,000. So I wouldn't exactly call that "severely undertracking" on the PS3's part.

 

Like almost everything on this website people overdramatized it.

As I asked thx1139 in another thread, do you have links that show this?  I could have sworn it was by more.  Of course, I could be thinking of another year.

Ask Postofficebuddy cause he was the one that did 5 or 6 weeks of comparisons between the OP of WW sales threads and the the numbers Vgchartz has now.


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4350368

Here you go. But like I said in that thread, that's just adjustments for December. Look at this for total adjustments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/83379/2010-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-january-1st/

postofficebuddy,

I dont understand what the last link is trying to show with relation to adjustments. 
1. Dont see total yearly adjustments. I have never known VGC making a point that adjustments were made.
2. Adjustments are made all of the time.  The weekly links when numbers 1st come out are compared now with the archive of sales so you can see the adjustments.

If your trying to show that an individual console was adjusted up or down over the year we know that already. It is when they were adjusted.  PS3 and 360 have already had adjustments for weeks during November and December.  The analysis I did was comparing the initial sales to the eventual adjusted sales in the VGC archive.  What we can see is that the PS3 was only adjusted 3,713 for those weeks comparing initial sales report to what is current in the VGC database.

Sure other parts of 2010 could have had adjustments. The question is when? If August sales were adjusted in September and October then it doesnt matter. What is being claimed is that year after year PS3 holiday sales tracking get large adjustments after the beginning of the next year.  Last year that adjustment was 3,713.

PS3 sales were adjusted up a lot because of "the Move factor" later on. A whole lot more than 3.7k anyway

Then that must have happend in September and October of 2010.  Because the original values for each of the weeks and the values currently in the database indicate a 3,713 change.    Not to mention I dont expect a "Move Factor" adjustment this year.  I have shown figures that show that the whole PS3 holiday sales in 2010 got adjusted up a lot is a myth.  Show us something that proves that my figures are wrong.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

thx1139 on 24 December 2011
pezus said:
thx1139 said:
pezus said:
thx1139 said:
postofficebuddy said:
yo_john117 said:
thismeintiel said:
yo_john117 said:
ils411 said:
A little over half a million to go! I do love a close race! Now lets all hope that VGC doesn't screw up like the past few X-mas severely undertracking the PS3 while overtracking the Xbox360 to an extent where it sold more than it shipped.

During the last 5 or 6 weeks they undertracked the PS3 by 3,700 and overtracked the 360 by 86,000. So I wouldn't exactly call that "severely undertracking" on the PS3's part.

 

Like almost everything on this website people overdramatized it.

As I asked thx1139 in another thread, do you have links that show this?  I could have sworn it was by more.  Of course, I could be thinking of another year.

Ask Postofficebuddy cause he was the one that did 5 or 6 weeks of comparisons between the OP of WW sales threads and the the numbers Vgchartz has now.


http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4350368

Here you go. But like I said in that thread, that's just adjustments for December. Look at this for total adjustments.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/83379/2010-year-on-year-sales-and-market-share-update-to-january-1st/

postofficebuddy,

I dont understand what the last link is trying to show with relation to adjustments. 
1. Dont see total yearly adjustments. I have never known VGC making a point that adjustments were made.
2. Adjustments are made all of the time.  The weekly links when numbers 1st come out are compared now with the archive of sales so you can see the adjustments.

If your trying to show that an individual console was adjusted up or down over the year we know that already. It is when they were adjusted.  PS3 and 360 have already had adjustments for weeks during November and December.  The analysis I did was comparing the initial sales to the eventual adjusted sales in the VGC archive.  What we can see is that the PS3 was only adjusted 3,713 for those weeks comparing initial sales report to what is current in the VGC database.

Sure other parts of 2010 could have had adjustments. The question is when? If August sales were adjusted in September and October then it doesnt matter. What is being claimed is that year after year PS3 holiday sales tracking get large adjustments after the beginning of the next year.  Last year that adjustment was 3,713.

PS3 sales were adjusted up a lot because of "the Move factor" later on. A whole lot more than 3.7k anyway

Then that must have happend in September and October of 2010.  Because the original values for each of the weeks and the values currently in the database indicate a 3,713 change.    Not to mention I dont expect a "Move Factor" adjustment this year.  I have shown figures that show that the whole PS3 holiday sales in 2010 got adjusted up a lot is a myth.  Show us something that proves that my figures are wrong.

Yeah I think that was mostly Oct-Nov. Still doesn't change the fact that the adjustments happened during the new year. Now we don't have Move but we do have the price cut.

OK so now the claim is that the sales for the PS3 in August through October are way off and the PS3 will be adjusted up for sales from that time period. The areas that will be adjusted will be the areas where tracking is difficult (not US, Canada, UK, Germany, France, or Japan) and the adjustments will be in the 100s of thousands.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.

sales2099 on 24 December 2011

Well MS will barely loose in the end.

But a "statistical tie" with 2008 360 prices, without the help of Japan, with PS3s price cut and exclusives this year.....

Well people, I think we can overlook MS's statement at E3 this year.



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