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Forums - Sales Discussion - Xbox 360 Vs. Playstation 3 2012 - *February* Update

thx1139 on 23 December 2011
thismeintiel said:
MaulerX said:
I don't know. If the PS3/360 ends up winning the year by 100k or less, then it would fall under "statistical tie" territory. A victory by such a miniscule number would be nothing to brag about (imo). If anything, I still see the 360 ahead of PS3 worldwide (overall) by the time the next Microsoft/Sony systems come around in 2013/2014.

It shouldn't be just by 100K.  The 360 will probably outsell the PS3 by ~250K-300K next week, but the PS3 will probably outsell the 360 by ~80K or so the final week.  I would guess the gap is going to end up ~350K-400K in the PS3's favor.  Then, there's always adjustments that will be made around the end of Jan-beginning of Feb.

Couple of days ago the adjustments for November and December 2010 were researched and discussed in the threads. Came down to PS3 being adjusted up a total of 3700 units and 360 adjusted down 88000 units. The adjustment down for the 360 was entirely based on the last week of the year and due to shortages. For all other weeks in November and December the 360 was adjusted up  a total of 100,000, but last week was adjusted down 188,000 units.



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ethomaz on 23 December 2011
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Seece said:
klaudkil said:
The ps3 is outselling the x360 in the eu and everywhere in the world besides usa.


Except Americas and UK ...

what will happen if someone call Canadian or Mexcian is American?

That's actually what I don't understand. Why do USA people call themselves simply Americans? Are Mexicans and Canadians not Americans too?

Using this logic... I'm an American too.



sales2099 on 23 December 2011
klaudkil said:
The ps3 is outselling the x360 in the eu and everywhere in the world besides usa.


USA first and foremost

Then you got Canada, Mexico, United Kingdom (composed of a handful of countries), South America Continent, Austrailia, New Zealand. Im not sure about India.

PS3 has The rest of Europe, Middle East, Japan, and pretty much the rest of the orient countries. 

Sorry to burst your bubble of PS3 fanboy fuelled propaganda. 



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 23 December 2011
ethomaz said:
kowenicki said:
ethomaz said:
sales2099 said:
Also, could anybody do me a favor and post the 360/ps3 sales totals for 2010?

13,884,453

13,378,231

was there adjustments?

the anual summary shows very different figures for 2010

 

 

I will check again using the global chat data (with the lastest adjustments)...

Week Ending 02nd Jan 2010

PS3: 32,376,827
360: 36,932,992

Week Ending 01st Jan 2011

PS3: 46,261,280
360: 50,311,223

2011 SALES

PS3:  13,884,453
360:  13,378,231

I know that's not exactaly 2010 but there are no way the numbers showed in Anual Sumary are in line with the sales chartz.

EDITED

The same period using the old Hardware Table (without the lastest adjustments):

PS3: 14,391,371
360: 13,606,638

I guess the Anual Sumary uses the old data (can anyone ask to ioi which is more acurrate?).

Ao PS3 outsold 360 by 800 000 in 2010. Thanks, all I needed to know. 



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mitlar37 on 23 December 2011
pezus said:
ethomaz said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Seece said:
klaudkil said:
The ps3 is outselling the x360 in the eu and everywhere in the world besides usa.


Except Americas and UK ...

what will happen if someone call Canadian or Mexcian is American?

That's actually what I don't understand. Why do USA people call themselves simply Americans? Are Mexicans and Canadians not Americans too?

Using this logic... I'm an American too.

Indeed, that's what I meant. You live in America after all. USA citizens refer to USA however as "America". A bit strange


Simple - USA stands for United States of America - so we shorten it to "America". Canada isn't officially named "Canadian States of America" as are any other of the countries in the Americas.



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Jazz2K on 23 December 2011
mitlar37 said:
pezus said:
ethomaz said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Seece said:
klaudkil said:
The ps3 is outselling the x360 in the eu and everywhere in the world besides usa.


Except Americas and UK ...

what will happen if someone call Canadian or Mexcian is American?

That's actually what I don't understand. Why do USA people call themselves simply Americans? Are Mexicans and Canadians not Americans too?

Using this logic... I'm an American too.

Indeed, that's what I meant. You live in America after all. USA citizens refer to USA however as "America". A bit strange


Simple - USA stands for United States of America - so we shorten it to "America". Canada isn't officially named "Canadian States of America" as are any other of the countries in the Americas.


What? Where and since when?



thismeintiel on 23 December 2011
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
thismeintiel said:
MaulerX said:
I don't know. If the PS3/360 ends up winning the year by 100k or less, then it would fall under "statistical tie" territory. A victory by such a miniscule number would be nothing to brag about (imo). If anything, I still see the 360 ahead of PS3 worldwide (overall) by the time the next Microsoft/Sony systems come around in 2013/2014.

It shouldn't be just by 100K.  The 360 will probably outsell the PS3 by ~250K-300K next week, but the PS3 will probably outsell the 360 by ~80K or so the final week.  I would guess the gap is going to end up ~350K-400K in the PS3's favor.  Then, there's always adjustments that will be made around the end of Jan-beginning of Feb.

the last week isnt so certain... I dont think it will be quite the same as last year.

the PS3 will end up outselling the 360 for the year by about 1%.

No idea why people are thinking PS3 will win the last week by such a margin. It was only 100k last year in the face of shortages. 360 is up 100k a year per week, along with no shortages, PS3 may win but not by any margin it did last year.

History.  The PS3 has beat the 360 every year that week by ~90K or over, except 2 two years.  In 2006 the 360 beat it, but the PS3 had yet to release in the majority of EMEAA.  And in 2008, the year the 360 got its first $199 SKU, but that was only by ~4K.  I took a slightly more conservative guess with ~80K in favor of the PS3 for that week.

And I think you guys are playing up the shortage excuse a little too much.  We already know MS shifted consoles that were supposed to go out in Jan/Feb to Dec to keep up with demand.  So there was most likely plenty of stock for the holiday season.  I mean sales for the first week of Jan would have dropped to just a few thousand if they had run out of stock, yet it was nearly 300K.  And that was still up YOY.



 

mitlar37 on 23 December 2011
Jazz2K said:
mitlar37 said:
pezus said:
ethomaz said:
pezus said:
D-Joe said:
Seece said:
klaudkil said:
The ps3 is outselling the x360 in the eu and everywhere in the world besides usa.


Except Americas and UK ...

what will happen if someone call Canadian or Mexcian is American?

That's actually what I don't understand. Why do USA people call themselves simply Americans? Are Mexicans and Canadians not Americans too?

Using this logic... I'm an American too.

Indeed, that's what I meant. You live in America after all. USA citizens refer to USA however as "America". A bit strange


Simple - USA stands for United States of America - so we shorten it to "America". Canada isn't officially named "Canadian States of America" as are any other of the countries in the Americas.


What? Where and since when?


I said it isn't.



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amaral_slb on 23 December 2011

It will be close.

Can someone explain to me why generaly the PS3 sells more in the last week of the year?



Seece on 23 December 2011
thismeintiel said:
Seece said:
kowenicki said:
thismeintiel said:
MaulerX said:
I don't know. If the PS3/360 ends up winning the year by 100k or less, then it would fall under "statistical tie" territory. A victory by such a miniscule number would be nothing to brag about (imo). If anything, I still see the 360 ahead of PS3 worldwide (overall) by the time the next Microsoft/Sony systems come around in 2013/2014.

It shouldn't be just by 100K.  The 360 will probably outsell the PS3 by ~250K-300K next week, but the PS3 will probably outsell the 360 by ~80K or so the final week.  I would guess the gap is going to end up ~350K-400K in the PS3's favor.  Then, there's always adjustments that will be made around the end of Jan-beginning of Feb.

the last week isnt so certain... I dont think it will be quite the same as last year.

the PS3 will end up outselling the 360 for the year by about 1%.

No idea why people are thinking PS3 will win the last week by such a margin. It was only 100k last year in the face of shortages. 360 is up 100k a year per week, along with no shortages, PS3 may win but not by any margin it did last year.

History.  The PS3 has beat the 360 every year that week by ~90K or over, except 2 two years.  In 2006 the 360 beat it, but the PS3 had yet to release in the majority of EMEAA.  And in 2008, the year the 360 got its first $199 SKU, but that was only by ~4K.  I took a slightly more conservative guess with ~80K in favor of the PS3 for that week.

And I think you guys are playing up the shortage excuse a little too much.  We already know MS shifted consoles that were supposed to go out in Jan/Feb to Dec to keep up with demand.  So there was most likely plenty of stock for the holiday season.  I mean sales for the first week of Jan would have dropped to just a few thousand if they had run out of stock, yet it was nearly 300K.  And that was still up YOY.

History isn't fool proof. You're can talk about the past all you like, but the fact of the matter is X360 is up YOY weekly by over 100k right now, PS3 not so much. And yes shortages, especially end of December, did play a part in lower sales last year. They also shifted 1.2m more in Q1 yoy to replenish empty shelves in the US.