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thismeintiel said:
ethomaz said:
thx1139 said:
ethomaz said:

There is someting wrong... 1st Jan to 1st Oct:

PS3: 7,711,364
360: 6,315,226

The diff is 1,396,138 (60k more).

Edit - I didn't checked all the table.

And this link http://www.vgchartz.com/hwtable.php uses old data without adjustments.

The up to date sales are here: http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/

I did use the charts page.  The numbers through Oct 1 were provided yesterday by D-Joe

I checked again =).

Sales from 1st Jan to 3rd Dec:

PS3: 11,258,248
360: 10,301,515

GAP: 956,733

-150,968 from this week (10th Dec).

GAP: 805,765

Are you sure these are the correct numbers?  I was going to update my thread with all the new numbers since the change to the site, but didn't want to go through each and every chartfor the year.  If these are correct, I'll just use them. 

Well I got the numbers from Global chartz and substracted.

PS3 Global 1st Jan 2011: 46,261,280
PS3 Global 3rd Dec 2011: 57,519,528

360 Global 1st Jan 2011: 50,311,223
360 Global 3rd Dec 2011: 60,612,738

So I think that's right.



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ethomaz said:
thismeintiel said:
ethomaz said:
thx1139 said:
ethomaz said:

There is someting wrong... 1st Jan to 1st Oct:

PS3: 7,711,364
360: 6,315,226

The diff is 1,396,138 (60k more).

Edit - I didn't checked all the table.

And this link http://www.vgchartz.com/hwtable.php uses old data without adjustments.

The up to date sales are here: http://www.vgchartz.com/charts/

I did use the charts page.  The numbers through Oct 1 were provided yesterday by D-Joe

I checked again =).

Sales from 1st Jan to 3rd Dec:

PS3: 11,258,248
360: 10,301,515

GAP: 956,733

-150,968 from this week (10th Dec).

GAP: 805,765

Are you sure these are the correct numbers?  I was going to update my thread with all the new numbers since the change to the site, but didn't want to go through each and every chartfor the year.  If these are correct, I'll just use them. 

Well I got the numbers from Global chartz and substracted.

PS3 Global 1st Jan 2011: 46,261,280
PS3 Global 3rd Dec 2011: 57,519,528

360 Global 1st Jan 2011: 50,311,223
360 Global 3rd Dec 2011: 60,612,738

So I think that's right.

LMAO, why didn't I think to do that?  If that was your method, then you are indeed correct.



This will be close, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if 360 pulled some record numbers in America to steal it on the final week before Christmas. Exciting to watch regardless.



PS3 is still heavily undertracked in the U.S.A./Americas and the 360 looks spot on. So until you don't update these numbers PS3 has more than 100k lead. I can only comment of U.S.A. and Japan though (Hardware) I don't have any official numbers outside of these two territories.



800k in 3 weeks just doesn't seem very likely. That's an average of over 266k consoles per week and that last week won't have that big of a gap, in fact the PS3 may win that last week of December.



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sad.man.loves.vgc said:
Can I predict? It will outsell the PS3 without a price cut. (my first prediction yay)

 I wasn't so crazy ;]]



so confused with all the different numbers going around :(

@Selnor the number for 360 on the homepage is indeed 61.5m. Funnily enough when i opened it on Chrome i get 57.9. Chrome FTL, use Firefox



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Seece said:
postofficebuddy said:


You're overlooking the 'slightly ahead' comment. I've said it before and I'll say it again, PS3 will beat it's fiscal target. Sony already rather stupidly underpredicted they're PSP and PS2 target. Both of them will probably reach it with a quarter to spare. Looking at growth in Americas, and as I stated the undertracked AUS/NZ numbers I think 16 million this fiscal year is looking like a pretty distinct possibility. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see PS3 not too far off of 2 million in December NPD. Looking at Nintendo's charts 360 YOY growth in Europe seems rather unlikely, especially after seeing the lackluster effects of the price cuts in Spain and Australia. Unless MS pull some mysterious wild card to make sales exponentially increase in Europe in the last week of the year. And you mentioned MS's expectations for holiday sales last year and in Q1 of this year. Even if there hadn't been shortages in the USA last year it probably would have topped out at about 2 million in December NPD. if 360 is up 20% on that number like they were in November they would still only beat PS3 by about 500k-800k on what I expect PS3 to do in December NPD.

I rerally can't talk to you, you take best case scenario for PS3 as fact and what's going to actually happen. The X360 likely shipped an extra 500k + in Q1 because of shortages and you think it would barely have topped 2 mill in Dec NPD, it was 1,870 ...

Those graphs didn't include Nov/Dec, so useless right now. PS3 will not see 2 mill NPD and 1 mill is more than 'slightly ahead'


Did you even read my post? I didn't say it would do 2 million, I said 1.6-1.9 million. There's plenty of historical sales curves to suggest somewhere in that range (2009 and 2010 absolute MoM increase. 2008, 2009 and 2010 % MoM increase, 2011 YOY increase). If you think it's going to go from being 70% up in November to less than 30% up in December you'll likely be mistaken. 360 on the other hand has always suffered from mediocre increases from November to December. Even the Black Friday numbers point in that direction. 360 sales for the week outside of BF were only 160k even with $100 GC promotions the entire week and a few continuing deals into Saturday. My prediction isn't optimistic, it's realistic. You expressed a similar sentiment about my last prediction:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4340880

And you conveniently ignored the PSP and PS2 comparisons I made, both of which will be over their own target by even more than a million. Everyone is entitled to their opinion especially if it's well researched, so drop the condescending attitude.



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1.9? That's higher than any X360 NPD in history, despite Nov 11 PS3 being 470k lower than Nov 10 X360. You really do come out with some laughable crap postoffice



 

postofficebuddy said:
Seece said:
postofficebuddy said:


You're overlooking the 'slightly ahead' comment. I've said it before and I'll say it again, PS3 will beat it's fiscal target. Sony already rather stupidly underpredicted they're PSP and PS2 target. Both of them will probably reach it with a quarter to spare. Looking at growth in Americas, and as I stated the undertracked AUS/NZ numbers I think 16 million this fiscal year is looking like a pretty distinct possibility. I actually wouldn't be surprised to see PS3 not too far off of 2 million in December NPD. Looking at Nintendo's charts 360 YOY growth in Europe seems rather unlikely, especially after seeing the lackluster effects of the price cuts in Spain and Australia. Unless MS pull some mysterious wild card to make sales exponentially increase in Europe in the last week of the year. And you mentioned MS's expectations for holiday sales last year and in Q1 of this year. Even if there hadn't been shortages in the USA last year it probably would have topped out at about 2 million in December NPD. if 360 is up 20% on that number like they were in November they would still only beat PS3 by about 500k-800k on what I expect PS3 to do in December NPD.

I rerally can't talk to you, you take best case scenario for PS3 as fact and what's going to actually happen. The X360 likely shipped an extra 500k + in Q1 because of shortages and you think it would barely have topped 2 mill in Dec NPD, it was 1,870 ...

Those graphs didn't include Nov/Dec, so useless right now. PS3 will not see 2 mill NPD and 1 mill is more than 'slightly ahead'


Did you even read my post? I didn't say it would do 2 million, I said 1.6-1.9 million. There's plenty of historical sales curves to suggest somewhere in that range (2009 and 2010 absolute MoM increase. 2008, 2009 and 2010 % MoM increase, 2011 YOY increase). If you think it's going to go from being 70% up in November to less than 30% up in December you'll likely be mistaken. 360 on the other hand has always suffered from mediocre increases from November to December. Even the Black Friday numbers point in that direction. 360 sales for the week outside of BF were only 160k even with $100 GC promotions the entire week and a few continuing deals into Saturday. My prediction isn't optimistic, it's realistic. You expressed a similar sentiment about my last prediction:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4340880

And you conveniently ignored the PSP and PS2 comparisons I made, both of which will be over their own target by even more than a million. Everyone is entitled to their opinion especially if it's well researched, so drop the condescending attitude.

You dont think there is any chance that the 70% was driven by a special BF only weekend bundle that was sold for $50 less than the current price of the PS3? That couldnt have caused the PS3 to jump 70% could it?  Yes every console had special deals, but only the PS3 and the Wii (Blue Wii) had something that would be available after the weekend was over.



Its libraries that sell systems not a single game.