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Michael-5 on 03 November 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Michael-5 said:

 

ok M5. its time to revisit this. what do you think after Oct. sells where we both clearly underestimated BF3 on PS3 boosting hardware. PS3 dominated Oct. even with GEARS3 releasing that month so whats your take on the situation at hand?

I know I'm terrible at predicting PS3 hardware sales, and it's likely because I am biased towards 360. Last year Move pushed a lot more sales then I would imagine, and this year BF3 did the same thing. I thought for sure this week 360 would be > PS3, especially after then PSN catastrophe, but apparently not. ahh you found me. its not like i gave you a map or link right lol?  well on BF3 we both got slaped in the face so no since beating yourself up about  it. now we'll have to look at MW3 alittle differently. i know your bias as am i alittle but facts are facts and we had a great conversation about it and agreed on way more then most pro PS360 fans ever would so i think we're good, and dare i say better then the rest lol?

hey although bias we still can rationalize the situation at hand as reasonable as humanly possible without the usual fanboy mentality seen in most conversations like this.

I still think 360 will dominate PS3 in December, but without the console price cut it won't dominate by much. I though MS would surely do something agressiive this fall, maybe a Kinect price cut, or hard drive boost for arcade models, but that also didn't happen. well Dec has a few JRPG's coming out in Japan and then theres FFX111-2 bundle and special edition console and another RPG bundle/special edition console from level5 for PS3 and Vita may still the show as the big product to watch.

theres still time for MS to cut 360 price like maybe black friday but it likely won't do any good cause of the gains PS3 has already made and theres still the White, Blue, Red Green, and Red consoles being released in the mid to final wks of Nov.. then theres the PS3 black friday bundles which are appealing to many pro Sony fans. i'm not sure what MS has but i think they have a few bundles for black friday so Nov. sells are still up in the air but it favors PS3 now that i think about it, but not by much. 

first wk by 100k to 300k with UC3 looking to sell 1m ww first wk. second wk is MW3 so you'd say it goes to 360 but after the BF3 situation i'd say the boost will even out Americas/EMEAA even with the MW3 special edition console. then wk3 the 4 multi color consoles will likely be released (i'm not sure what day but the 3rd wk sounds about right) givinng Sony there lead back as we hit wk for with PS3 still leading but likely not by much and Black Friday in the 5th wk will likely even out as well. not sure if theres 5wk's in Nov. but i think it is.

then you have Dec. starting off with the Japan boost before FFX111-2 and WW that wk goes to Sony. i'll give Sony 3 of the 5 wk's in Dec. with the last 2 even or a little lead for 360. still not sure if Dec. has 5 wk's or not.

well there you have it. the tale of the tap for whats left this holiday season.

So I'm thinking now 360 won't sell as strong as it could, and it's all because MS wants to rake in the cash. Next year, MS is due for some upgrades and price cuts, but PS3 might be able to shrink that lead to 1.5 million by then. i'm not so sure about PS3 shrinking the lead by the time 360 gets a pricecut but there are factors that could drive that to happen like that JRPG i mentiond that i have no idea what the name of it is from level5. and the special edition console that comes with it, co thats 11 exclusive up from 10 last time we did this in all its epic glory.

As for Gears 3...hey it boosted 360 sales by double, and it's remained at that level. Considering the price difference, 360 is still selling well. Next week, Sony will win in sales thanks to Uncharted 3, but the 2 weeks after, CoD and Halo, I will be shocked if 360 isn't in first by a noticable margine. Halo:CE looks to not excite core 360 fans i know. there waiting for the big gun as am i in Halo4. yea i still hate Halo and thats what i think allot of fans are waiting for but i'm still excited about what it brings new to the table. if it brings nothing then it will get bashed heavily, but if it brings something new fun and innovative then you will see the praise.

COD! seriously? did we not just learn a valuable lesson by underestimating BD3's impact on PS3 sells? never the less i'm not blind deff and dumb cause you have history and it can repeat its self. on the other hand the 360 version of BF3 still sold better on 360 in the Americas and 360 still got thrashed on the hardware side so lets not give to much credit to 360 and favor it as the winner but its likely to be that way.



We debate well yes. CoD should boost sales more then any other game this holiday. The only other comparable boost would be Black Friday, which would also be pro 360.

We're biased, but not fanboys. We realize our bias and preference in games and don't force it onto others.

AHHH good point about FFXIII-2 Japanese launch in Japan. Looks like overall December may be pretty even too. That game is huge in Japan.

MS will likely bundle several games for Black Friday. I heard as much as 5 games will be bundled, and not too bad choices I hear. I hear Alan Wake, Halo 3 and a Fable, but I can't remember where I heard this from.

MW3 is different from Battlefield. 360 has always had a stronger tie ratio among CoD fans then PS3, and with the 100k limited edition MW3 package, I'm confident 360 will sell well that week, and likely more then PS3.

The week after I dunno. Japanese gamers like coloured consoles, but American gamers like Halo. I think 360 should edge it, but barely.

With Halo: CEA I will finally own a copy of every Halo hehe. I borrowed Halo for PC in the past, but never owned a legit copy myself. Ahh good old ms, milking the Halo franchise.

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hatmoza on 03 November 2011

All you nay sayers. Cut seece some slack. Not everyone's meant to be a successful sales analyst.



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chocoloco on 03 November 2011

Seece is our Pachter. :P



thismeintiel on 03 November 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thismeintiel said:
Oh, and just to take Dedoce's bet out of this, the 360 is going to have to outsell the PS3 by ~84.5K a week from now on just to tie with the PS3. However, I don't see sales really starting to pick up that greatly for the 360, at least to the point where it could outsell the PS3, til November. So if the gap continues to grow by 20K til, say Nov. 8th (release of MW3), then that means the 360 is going to have to outsell the PS3 by ~155K a week just to tie with the PS3. Of course, I see the PS3 outselling the 360 by at least 81K the last week of Dec, like it did last year. So, in the end, the 360 is going to have to pull off selling more than the PS3 by 189K for 7 weeks straight, starting the week ending Nov 12.

This IS impossible. Even with a price cut. I see it MAYBE selling close to that for about 3 weeks: MW3 launch week, Black Friday week, and the week of Christmas. But, it just won't be able to pull that off for 7 weeks straight. Not with the recent price cut for the PS3 (first time its been available for $250), Uncharted 3 WW, and FF 13-2 in Japan.

Just for comparison's sake, last year the 360 was only able to outsell the PS3 by ~180K one week, which was the week of Christmas. And that was mostly because of Kinect. In other words, Kinect is going to have to have an INSANELY larger impact than it did last year, when it was BRAND NEW. Either that, or MS is going to have to drop the 4GB model and sell the 250GB model for $199, while at the same time dropping the Kinect to $50 and have the the Kinect 360 bundle at $249. That's the ONLY way it can pull it off.

how did PS3 do in Nov. 2010 v 360? and i agree.

According to VGC, it looks like the 360 was able to outsell the PS3 by ~418K in Nov 2010.  Or an average of ~105K a week.



 

sales2099 on 03 November 2011
leo-j said:
MWF3 will not push the 360 over the ps3, in case you haven't realized it, MWF3 is also on playstation 3....

Maybe on gaming forums we treat multiplats equal. But the real world treats MWF3 VERY differently depending on the platform.

360 is stereotyped for being shooter crazy, that gives COD a much better home on 360 then PS3  from the start. LIVE and more headsets make the community/clan based online gaming junkies more inclined for the 360. COD gamers don't like to wait, so they get 360 version for early map packs. And like the Gears 3 360 custom SKU, people will buy the MW3 Limited Edition 360. 

Sure people on the gaming forums treat them all equal, but the real world sees MW3 as a 360 game and all other versions are the poor mans version, despite the quality that can be actually argued. You can't argue mass market consumer perception. 



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sales2099 on 03 November 2011

With Sony releasing the data that PS3 is trailing behind the 360 by 2 million, Microsoft might be compelled to act now and drop the price. Not only to beat PS3 this year, but to hold their lead in general.

I hope they take whatever profit they can from MW3 and the 360 limited edition and drop the price a week or two after for all 360 skus



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

ils411 on 03 November 2011
thismeintiel said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
thismeintiel said:
Oh, and just to take Dedoce's bet out of this, the 360 is going to have to outsell the PS3 by ~84.5K a week from now on just to tie with the PS3. However, I don't see sales really starting to pick up that greatly for the 360, at least to the point where it could outsell the PS3, til November. So if the gap continues to grow by 20K til, say Nov. 8th (release of MW3), then that means the 360 is going to have to outsell the PS3 by ~155K a week just to tie with the PS3. Of course, I see the PS3 outselling the 360 by at least 81K the last week of Dec, like it did last year. So, in the end, the 360 is going to have to pull off selling more than the PS3 by 189K for 7 weeks straight, starting the week ending Nov 12.

This IS impossible. Even with a price cut. I see it MAYBE selling close to that for about 3 weeks: MW3 launch week, Black Friday week, and the week of Christmas. But, it just won't be able to pull that off for 7 weeks straight. Not with the recent price cut for the PS3 (first time its been available for $250), Uncharted 3 WW, and FF 13-2 in Japan.

Just for comparison's sake, last year the 360 was only able to outsell the PS3 by ~180K one week, which was the week of Christmas. And that was mostly because of Kinect. In other words, Kinect is going to have to have an INSANELY larger impact than it did last year, when it was BRAND NEW. Either that, or MS is going to have to drop the 4GB model and sell the 250GB model for $199, while at the same time dropping the Kinect to $50 and have the the Kinect 360 bundle at $249. That's the ONLY way it can pull it off.

how did PS3 do in Nov. 2010 v 360? and i agree.

According to VGC, it looks like the 360 was able to outsell the PS3 by ~418K in Nov 2010.  Or an average of ~105K a week.

True, 360 outsold the PS3 by an average of 105k a week during Nov 2010 and by an average of 77k per week during Dec 2010. Now assuming that starting this week (results next week) the 360 starts outselling the ps3, it has to outsell it by 168k a week to overcome the 1.5M lead that the PS3 has accumulated this year. It is note worth that the 360 launched kinect last year while ps3 launched the move. Obviously Kinect did much much much better than the Move but we have no such thing this year. Unless MS reveals something uber,  the 360 has a touch climb infront of it to overcome the PS3 and emerge as the best selling console tis year.

 

Week Ending Xbox360 PS3 Out Sold (X360)
Nov 6th 2010 360,822 313,465 47,357
Nov 13th 2010 520,893 378,898 141,995
Nov 20th 2010 453,942 345,757 108,185
Nov 27th 2010 885,353 765,116 120,237
Total 417,774
Outsold by (Average/week) 104,444
Dec 4th 2010 665,244 619,455 45,789
Dec 11th 2010 771,313 696,487 74,826
Dec 18th 2010 1,060,849 897,211 163,638
Dec 25th 2010 1,114,283 931,958 182,325
Jan 1st 2011 472,788 554,189 -81,401
Total 385,177
Otusold by (Average/week) 77,035
Total Nov - Dec 2010 802,951
Outsold by (Average week)                   89,217
Current lead over X360 1,512,525
Must outsell by (Average/week)                 168,058


ils411 on 03 November 2011
sales2099 said:
leo-j said:
MWF3 will not push the 360 over the ps3, in case you haven't realized it, MWF3 is also on playstation 3....

Maybe on gaming forums we treat multiplats equal. But the real world treats MWF3 VERY differently depending on the platform.

360 is stereotyped for being shooter crazy, that gives COD a much better home on 360 then PS3  from the start. LIVE and more headsets make the community/clan based online gaming junkies more inclined for the 360. COD gamers don't like to wait, so they get 360 version for early map packs. And like the Gears 3 360 custom SKU, people will buy the MW3 Limited Edition 360. 

Sure people on the gaming forums treat them all equal, but the real world sees MW3 as a 360 game and all other versions are the poor mans version, despite the quality that can be actually argued. You can't argue mass market consumer perception. 

 

1
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360)
Activision, FPS
8.69 0.08 3.89 12.66
2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.02 0.36 3.99 9.36

I guess 42.5% of the real world disagree with you with COD being and X360 game.

 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (X360)
Activision, FPS
5.80 0.13 2.66 8.59

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)
Activision, FPS
2.94 0.28 2.54 5.76

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
Activision, FPS
0.00 0.00 1.26 1.26

Again, 45% of the real world disagree with you with COD being an x360 game.

Sure the x360 version sells better, but not by the "real world land slide" that you believe it to be



D-Joe on 03 November 2011
ils411 said:
sales2099 said:
leo-j said:
MWF3 will not push the 360 over the ps3, in case you haven't realized it, MWF3 is also on playstation 3....

Maybe on gaming forums we treat multiplats equal. But the real world treats MWF3 VERY differently depending on the platform.

360 is stereotyped for being shooter crazy, that gives COD a much better home on 360 then PS3  from the start. LIVE and more headsets make the community/clan based online gaming junkies more inclined for the 360. COD gamers don't like to wait, so they get 360 version for early map packs. And like the Gears 3 360 custom SKU, people will buy the MW3 Limited Edition 360. 

Sure people on the gaming forums treat them all equal, but the real world sees MW3 as a 360 game and all other versions are the poor mans version, despite the quality that can be actually argued. You can't argue mass market consumer perception. 

 

1
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360)
Activision, FPS
8.69 0.08 3.89 12.66
2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.02 0.36 3.99 9.36

I guess 42.5% of the real world disagree with you with COD being and X360 game.

 
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (X360)
Activision, FPS
5.80 0.13 2.66 8.59

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)
Activision, FPS
2.94 0.28 2.54 5.76
           

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
Activision, FPS
0.00 0.00 1.26 1.26

Again, 45% of the real world disagree with you with COD being an x360 game.

Sure the x360 version sells better, but not by the "real world land slide" that you believe it to be

i guess he just talking about MW3 week(only talking about this week) 360 will outsell PS3,i still think so,but hard to say after MW3 week(if MS still don't make a price cut)



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ils411 on 03 November 2011
D-Joe said:
ils411 said:
sales2099 said:
leo-j said:
MWF3 will not push the 360 over the ps3, in case you haven't realized it, MWF3 is also on playstation 3....

Maybe on gaming forums we treat multiplats equal. But the real world treats MWF3 VERY differently depending on the platform.

360 is stereotyped for being shooter crazy, that gives COD a much better home on 360 then PS3  from the start. LIVE and more headsets make the community/clan based online gaming junkies more inclined for the 360. COD gamers don't like to wait, so they get 360 version for early map packs. And like the Gears 3 360 custom SKU, people will buy the MW3 Limited Edition 360. 

Sure people on the gaming forums treat them all equal, but the real world sees MW3 as a 360 game and all other versions are the poor mans version, despite the quality that can be actually argued. You can't argue mass market consumer perception. 

 

1
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360)
Activision, FPS
8.69 0.08 3.89 12.66
2
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.02 0.36 3.99 9.36

I guess 42.5% of the real world disagree with you with COD being and X360 game.

 
Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (X360)
Activision, FPS
5.80 0.13 2.66 8.59

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PS3)
Activision, FPS
2.94 0.28 2.54 5.76
           

Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (PC)
Activision, FPS
0.00 0.00 1.26 1.26

Again, 45% of the real world disagree with you with COD being an x360 game.

Sure the x360 version sells better, but not by the "real world land slide" that you believe it to be

i guess he just talking about MW3 week(only talking about this week) 360 will outsell PS3,i still think so,but hard to say after MW3 week(if MS still don't make a price cut)

IMO, MW will always ALWAYS give the X360 a larger boost in hardware sales as compared to the PS3. But not by such a margine as he was implying.