I'm not obsessed with that, actually I don't think I've ever said anything like that in Europe/Japan, I certainly don't come out with catty comments like you. I said it can do well, I don't ever think it'll overtake PS3 in EMEEA (Europe wouldn't be that difficult with UK)

PS3 isn't right behind it as always, in the last 12 months in terms of shipments they've been neck and neck.

ok Seece now that post could win me over, but the major problem is that some of it is speculation.

as a matter of fact thats a lot of speculation, or just high expectation which is understandable.

wether some want to admit it or not that is sound, but i must say your faith in this is something i can't touch.

i wish you luck in this, and i honestly hope your right cause i'd hate for some sonyfanboy or anyone for that matter to pull this thread up in 2012 and you be proven wrong.

i don't expect a quote from you, and trust me i've tried hard to get one from you in this thread.

i don't see what you see, but if you'er right i'll be glad to help you brag about it in Jan. of 2012

Your wish comes true.

If I lost I wouldn't mind people bragging, as long as i/we got an explanation from MS as to why it didn't happen (which I don't hedge my bets on)

I've already said it depends with what MS come out with, I'm just certain they know what they're talking about. They've got a better grasp on the market than the other two right now, and if Sony and Nintendo can cut twice since 360's last baseline price, in the face of a struggling euro Vs. Yen, then MS could easily knock the kinect bundle down to $199 aka mass market price.

With updated languages, and tv coming to european nations, and MS now manufacturing the 360 in brazil so it can offer it across brazil and other latin american countries 40% cheaper (significantly cheaper than PS3 there) it shows they're trying in others places. They've gone on record to say they're aiming to do better in Europe and not be so UK centric.

Their execution this christmas will be perfect no matter what and will blow ninty and sony out of the water, they already made the obvious mistake of cutting price too early.

I actually think the Wii is going to suffer more, the PS3 sells anyway. I'm very interested in the crazy numbers the 360 will bring in the US, but it's fair ground everywhere else.

it sounds perfect! i'm just not seeing it, and if it happens your on the money even if none wants to believe it!

i think i'll just sit back watch and see, but i have my doubts. let it be known i'm pulling for you.

Seece, you really must stop with this Kinect is a console and sells like a console. If that were true, then its doing absolutely HORRIBLE. The Wii, which most people see as performing rather poorly, did more than double Kinect's WW numbers in America alone last week. No, it's just seen as an add-on and its selling like one, which is why its pulling numbers slightly below Wii Fit, and probably slightly above Move.

This holiday isn't going to change that. Sure, its going to see a really nice boost in Americas and the UK (the other two are going to too, though probably not as large), but not numbers like what happened last year when its was crazy hyped and a brand new product. What game for it do you think is going to push that much Kinect HW? The only one that I see that would have been a significant booster was Stat Wars Kinect, and that was delayed til next year.

I'm going by the last shipment figures.

The last Q we got was 2.4M which was more than the PS3 and the Wii.

360 and PS3 in its early life did 0.7M in some Q's.

Kinect isn't a console, it's viewed as by casuals and sells like one, and will this xmas, whether you like it or not. Industry folk agree and everyone else does expect Sony fans, funnily enough.

Can I predict? It will outsell the PS3 without a price cut. (my first prediction yay)