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JazzyJeez on 31 December 2011
Ham_Burgular said:
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
Its true though, Xbox is the much bigger success either way. PS3 had a price cut, it has Japan and it had a ton of exclusives, something Xbox didnt have and its still a tie. Roles reversed Xbox would have stomped the PS3.

Still dont forget Vgchartz arent very accurate, wait for the official numbers to see if theres anything over or under tracked.


Some people would argue that it's multi-plats that are far more important to a console, maybe its the alcohol but I struggle how people can use exclusives and Japan as the only reason the PS3 has sold as well as it has, it would be like people claiming the only reason the 360 is doing well is because of the dominance of the single biggest market in the world and also having kinect,one of the fastest selling electronic devices ever and then claiming if it was reversed PS3 would stomp the 360, ifs and buts.

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

And I'll reiterate, what would the sales be like if there was no kinect and the Americas was closer to parity, you can't just look at one side of an arguement and totally dismiss the other, the fact is the 360 has had its best year (again, which is very impressive) and it's selling equal to the PS3 not more than.

Both Sony and Microsoft should be congratulated for a great year regardless of the reason they sold so well.



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SOLIDSNAKE08 on 31 December 2011
VetteDude said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Ham_Burgular said:
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
Its true though, Xbox is the much bigger success either way. PS3 had a price cut, it has Japan and it had a ton of exclusives, something Xbox didnt have and its still a tie. Roles reversed Xbox would have stomped the PS3.

Still dont forget Vgchartz arent very accurate, wait for the official numbers to see if theres anything over or under tracked.


Some people would argue that it's multi-plats that are far more important to a console, maybe its the alcohol but I struggle how people can use exclusives and Japan as the only reason the PS3 has sold as well as it has, it would be like people claiming the only reason the 360 is doing well is because of the dominance of the single biggest market in the world and also having kinect,one of the fastest selling electronic devices ever and then claiming if it was reversed PS3 would stomp the 360, ifs and buts.

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

what if xbox never had america? even if it had a 10 year headstart it would be behind now without america. or what if the ps3 laucnhed same time as 360 at same price, where would 360 be now. see theres no point of IFS cause they can go on forever and they're stupid.

Are you even kidding me? Yep lets just say the the biggest gaming market in the world doesn't exist and then PS3 WOULD BE WINNERZ! Who even gives a crap what console wins, both are over 50 million and are HIGHLY successful consoles if you look at past console sales.


yes its stupid! i was trying to make that point to ham burgular



Reasonable on 31 December 2011
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
Its true though, Xbox is the much bigger success either way. PS3 had a price cut, it has Japan and it had a ton of exclusives, something Xbox didnt have and its still a tie. Roles reversed Xbox would have stomped the PS3.

Still dont forget Vgchartz arent very accurate, wait for the official numbers to see if theres anything over or under tracked.


Some people would argue that it's multi-plats that are far more important to a console, maybe its the alcohol but I struggle how people can use exclusives and Japan as the only reason the PS3 has sold as well as it has, it would be like people claiming the only reason the 360 is doing well is because of the dominance of the single biggest market in the world and also having kinect,one of the fastest selling electronic devices ever and then claiming if it was reversed PS3 would stomp the 360, ifs and buts.

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

And I'll reiterate, what would the sales be like if there was no kinect and the Americas was closer to parity, you can't just look at one side of an arguement and totally dismiss the other, the fact is the 360 has had its best year (again, which is very impressive) and it's selling equal to the PS3 not more than.

Both Sony and Microsoft should be congratulated for a great year regardless of the reason they sold so well.


Double standards are the province of fanboys on both sides.  They'll never accept the fact their own arguement is simply the inverse arguement of the other side.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

sales2099 on 31 December 2011
LivingMetal said:
sales2099 said:
Statistical tie!

I dont think anybody expected 360 to evaporate PS3s hard work catching up, while at the same time keeping relevant despite PS3s 2011 exclusives!


Not very relevant from a gamer's perspective.  As long as Microsoft primarily caters to the masses and the casuals/non-gamers (shooters and Kinect), it's no surprise that sales have risen as they have during the most hyped shopping time of the year.  From a sales and investor's perspective, the Xbox 360 sales nubers are relevant.  You target the biggest audience, you garnish the biggest sales.  But too bad they did not invest their resources in more 1st/2nd party games such as platformers, action adventures, and survival horror.  If they did and these titles were of considerable quality, the Xbox 360 would become more relevant as a hardcore gaming console.  In fact, the PS3 is more relevant and its sales are more impressive because Sony continues to cater to the gamers by their 2011 exclusives.

360 was very relevant from a gamers perspective. 

You do realize that 90% of 360's and PS3 library is the same. And when you see great multiplats like Assassins Creed, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Skyrim, Bulletstorm, Frontline, Brink.....I could go on.......sell much better on 360. MS naturally has every reason to invest into kinect cause they allready have the core gamers on their side. MS's exclusives, while fewer in number, have more real world relevance then PS3 more numerous, yet culturally irrelevant by comparison, exclusives. 

On the internet most of us have the "exclusive complex". You also hear "exclusive whore" or "exclusive nuts". They really don't make a difference unless the people care about them. Flagship wise, Sony has GOW, Uncharted, and GT. The rest don't have public brand recognition. Really, in the end, gamers go for the multiplats as again they are the bulk of the library. 

And to me, given PS2 domination last gen, no amount of how good PS3 is selling can be considered "impressive".



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Yonyx on 31 December 2011

Anyone knows the total numbers of Wii and 3DS this year?? I'm interested in these numbers aswell.



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LivingMetal on 31 December 2011
D-Joe said:

so shooters is casual thing right now  because it's sold more on 360 lol
guess next casual thing will be WRPG


Any genre can appeal to most any gamer casual and hardcore.  But the flavor of the moment typically attracts the masses/casuals.  I never said what's popular exclusively goes to the casuals.  Let's not try to take things out of context and the attempt to put word into one's mouth to prove/stress a false point.



LivingMetal on 31 December 2011
sales2099 said:
LivingMetal said:
sales2099 said:
Statistical tie!

I dont think anybody expected 360 to evaporate PS3s hard work catching up, while at the same time keeping relevant despite PS3s 2011 exclusives!


Not very relevant from a gamer's perspective.  As long as Microsoft primarily caters to the masses and the casuals/non-gamers (shooters and Kinect), it's no surprise that sales have risen as they have during the most hyped shopping time of the year.  From a sales and investor's perspective, the Xbox 360 sales nubers are relevant.  You target the biggest audience, you garnish the biggest sales.  But too bad they did not invest their resources in more 1st/2nd party games such as platformers, action adventures, and survival horror.  If they did and these titles were of considerable quality, the Xbox 360 would become more relevant as a hardcore gaming console.  In fact, the PS3 is more relevant and its sales are more impressive because Sony continues to cater to the gamers by their 2011 exclusives.

360 was very relevant from a gamers perspective. 

You do realize that 90% of 360's and PS3 library is the same. And when you see great multiplats like Assassins Creed, Battlefield 3, Modern Warfare 3, Skyrim, Bulletstorm, Frontline, Brink.....I could go on.......sell much better on 360. MS naturally has every reason to invest into kinect cause they allready have the core gamers on their side. MS's exclusives, while fewer in number, have more real world relevance then PS3 more numerous, yet culturally irrelevant by comparison, exclusives. 

On the internet most of us have the "exclusive complex". You also hear "exclusive whore" or "exclusive nuts". They really don't make a difference unless the people care about them. Flagship wise, Sony has GOW, Uncharted, and GT. The rest don't have public brand recognition. Really, in the end, gamers go for the multiplats as again they are the bulk of the library. 

And to me, given PS2 domination last gen, no amount of how good PS3 is selling can be considered "impressive".


Doesn't matter.  For instance, Dark Souls and Skyrim are both on the PS3 and Xbox 360 both are action Western style RPG's, but Dark Souls sold far better on the PS3 while Skyrim sold far better on the Xbox 360.  It's the target audience of the console and the mentality of the buyers.  Both PS3 and Xbox 360 sales are impressive.  But Sony continues to cater primarily to the core and hardcore games while Microsoft continues to primarily cater to the casual/non-gamers when you look at their exclusive content.  As a hardcore gamer, the PS3 is far more relevant because of Sony's offerings plus 3rd party offerings as opposed to the Xbox 360 because of who they are catering to.  And again, the 90% figure you tout also mean very little in the real wotld when all consoles have their more than fair share of shovelware.



Ham_Burgular on 31 December 2011
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Ham_Burgular said:
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
Its true though, Xbox is the much bigger success either way. PS3 had a price cut, it has Japan and it had a ton of exclusives, something Xbox didnt have and its still a tie. Roles reversed Xbox would have stomped the PS3.

Still dont forget Vgchartz arent very accurate, wait for the official numbers to see if theres anything over or under tracked.


Some people would argue that it's multi-plats that are far more important to a console, maybe its the alcohol but I struggle how people can use exclusives and Japan as the only reason the PS3 has sold as well as it has, it would be like people claiming the only reason the 360 is doing well is because of the dominance of the single biggest market in the world and also having kinect,one of the fastest selling electronic devices ever and then claiming if it was reversed PS3 would stomp the 360, ifs and buts.

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

what if xbox never had america? even if it had a 10 year headstart it would be behind now without america. or what if the ps3 laucnhed same time as 360 at same price, where would 360 be now. see theres no point of IFS cause they can go on forever and they're stupid.

No need to spin it in the PS3 favours, the facts remain PS3 had a lot of exlusives this year and a $50 price cut, its popular in all 3 regions. Xbox however had only two exlusives, one of which didnt sell that great, no price cut and is only popular in two regions yet it still equalled the PS3.

Now what if PS3 had only had Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3 this year and had no pricecut whereas Xbox had a GOW3, Forza 4, Halo 4, Fable 4 etc while still having a $50 price cut, it would have beaten the PS3 silly.



thismeintiel on 31 December 2011
Ham_Burgular said:
SOLIDSNAKE08 said:
Ham_Burgular said:

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

what if xbox never had america? even if it had a 10 year headstart it would be behind now without america. or what if the ps3 laucnhed same time as 360 at same price, where would 360 be now. see theres no point of IFS cause they can go on forever and they're stupid.

No need to spin it in the PS3 favours, the facts remain PS3 had a lot of exlusives this year and a $50 price cut, its popular in all 3 regions. Xbox however had only two exlusives, one of which didnt sell that great, no price cut and is only popular in two regions yet it still equalled the PS3.

Now what if PS3 had only had Uncharted 3 and Killzone 3 this year and had no pricecut whereas Xbox had a GOW3, Forza 4, Halo 4, Fable 4 etc while still having a $50 price cut, it would have beaten the PS3 silly.

It's amazing how many responded to SolidSnake's post with even more WHAT IF's.  Or for him not to spin things in favor of the PS3.  Did any of you even read his last sentence?  "see theres no point of IFS cause they can go on forever and they're stupid."



 

Ham_Burgular on 31 December 2011
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
JazzyJeez said:
Ham_Burgular said:
Its true though, Xbox is the much bigger success either way. PS3 had a price cut, it has Japan and it had a ton of exclusives, something Xbox didnt have and its still a tie. Roles reversed Xbox would have stomped the PS3.

Still dont forget Vgchartz arent very accurate, wait for the official numbers to see if theres anything over or under tracked.


Some people would argue that it's multi-plats that are far more important to a console, maybe its the alcohol but I struggle how people can use exclusives and Japan as the only reason the PS3 has sold as well as it has, it would be like people claiming the only reason the 360 is doing well is because of the dominance of the single biggest market in the world and also having kinect,one of the fastest selling electronic devices ever and then claiming if it was reversed PS3 would stomp the 360, ifs and buts.

If the PS3 didnt have the many exlusives and Japan it would still have sold well, just not nearly aswell as Xbox.

And I'll reiterate, what would the sales be like if there was no kinect and the Americas was closer to parity, you can't just look at one side of an arguement and totally dismiss the other, the fact is the 360 has had its best year (again, which is very impressive) and it's selling equal to the PS3 not more than.

Both Sony and Microsoft should be congratulated for a great year regardless of the reason they sold so well.

You aren't understanding what im getting at, its more than just a what if, PS3 with those 3 very big advantages still could barely top Xbox. And obviously had there been no pricecut this year for PS3 it would never have won the year.