some of you(a lot) overreactive baboons, it's not dead because FFXIII sold 6.2 million. which means more than every final fantasy other than 7,8,10.

You can argue about quality all you want. Has FF quality gone done significantly in quality? Is much more reasonable conversation point, than the overdramatic FF is doomed.

And keep in mind the biggest final fantasy bomb was done by the final fantasy creator himself. Which I directly attribute to Square-Enix's drop in quality as a whole (though I still like them a lot). But that decision by him and square's CEO at the time was just as poor as the recent SE decisions regarding FF.

XIII sold more then XII did. I also believe that it sold more then IX as well. X and VII sold a shit ton. Even then 5M+ copies is really good sales. The game made them profit out the ass when it was released. Then again I still don't understand why you state that fans are in denial because they like the games.

The sum is greater than the individual parts. While the story is clearly not all what it could be, the whole game, I think has a great level of synergy between everything. especially gameplay. Coming off FFX prior to playing XII, I agd no problem with the game aside from the occasional story elements. It stands as not so diveded to not be exemplary, but divided enough for that to be debated. Or so I think. 

XII....oh XII! how I love thee! now THAT's a good game. so much content, so much freedom, so many sidequests, great characters, phenomenal story (well, the mainline plot was decent but unexceptional, but a little bit of digging and doing sidequests will really flesh out the world and the plot far beyond what most would expect), great gameplay, exemplary world...

Yeah, one of my favorites, in spite of its shortcomings and developmental hell. Take note Duke Nukem Forever.

The reason FF13 is such a dissapointment to many, even with 6.2 million units sold, is because of the changes to the core gameplay that use to make a FF game a FF game.  Plus, when you think about how hyped this game was being the first next-gen HD FF (even hyped more than FF7), that it was released on 2 consoles, and the incredible amount that must have gone into its development, 6.2 million doesn't seem as impressive.

that isn't what my argument was about. 

I'm saying fans are in denial because they think FF is still as popular now as it was during the PS1 and PS2 eras.

its not about the profit or the speed those copies were sold, its evident this series isnt getting more popular, its decreasing in popularity. so the article in question isnt incorrect; are Sqaure Enix killing FF?? my belief is Sakaguchi's departure has led to the detriment of the series. and the sales support the article.

FF13 sold more copies than FF12 yes; but look at why. FF7 the first FF of the PS1 gen sold more copies than the successive installments, FF8 and FF9. as did FF10 on the PS2. FF13 has sold a bit more than FF12 at the cost of an enormous marketing campagain, quite possibily the biggest in Sqaure Enix's history, ridiculously high production values, even then its been in the bargain bin for over a year now.

besides, how many people actully like these games? have you checked Amazon Japan. out of 1000 fan reviews, the general consensus is that FF12 is a 3 star (average) game. on Amazon US, or UK FF12 fairs a bit better. but look at FF13, out of 2000 fan reviews on Amazon JP, it stands at 3 stars (average). compared to fan reviews of FF4-10, FF12 and FF13 are generally less well recieved. we can also see this in terms of critical reviews. the point is some fans are saying they like these games. yet i'm saying (in relation to the article) that based on sales and general fan consensus FF is declining; would i say their killing it, no. but its certainly going that way. and i think the sales of FF13-2 will demonstrate that.

It died with FFX for me. What a downgrade in every way from FFIX, then X-2 while great on the gameplay side self destructed thanks to the plot and thus FF was dead in my eyes.

I would probabily agree with you on that. theres definitly elements in there for me to consider it exemplary on some levels. so it was a step in the right direction. but it couldve  been more than that if they followed the original concept laid out by the Tactics team. and theres really not enough characters development. my belief was that while the team who made FF10 and 10-2 went on to make FF7 compilation, FF13 compilation. the team who made FF12 would go on to make FF15... but there has been no word of this game or this team in years.

personally i dont think i care anymore, Sqaure have wasted my time waiting for something spectacular like FF12 was meant to be, i didnt think FF13 would be spectacular to be honest with you, based on the projects this team have made. like FF7 compilation, FF10-2. so i while i was dissapointed when i saw that first review for FF13, i wasnt really supprised. i was however expecting FF15 to come soon since i didnt think Sqaure would be making only one main FF in 5 years.

i'm ready to move on from this series. Matsuno is now with Level 5, and he will annouce something at Level 5's presentation later this year. Sakaguchi has just finished the Last Story, so i think he'll be starting work on something else soon. Tales of Graces is coming next year, and Ni No Kuni, Dark Souls this year, Persona 5 should be announced next year as well. and Ninja Theory is actully telling very good stories with their games, with very believable character development.

so personally, unless FF15 is in production with the other development team. i'm ready to finish with Square. they had 10 years since FF10. two main FF games have been released, costing tens of millions of dollars, years in development, and still nothing exlemplary. FF12 couldve been that game, but it wasnt. i think its time for me to call it a day.

You can't use a site like Amazon to judge popularity of a series. Black Ops has over 2k Amazon reviews with the same score as XIII yet the game sold what like 20M copies?

The only way you can really judge the popularity is via the sales.