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Ive read a newspaper today, quoting the police that the Boy stated he wants back into the wild's, it looks like he isnt a big fan of civilization.

Bild.de, page of the best sold newspaper over here also quoted them on this.



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what are you 2 actually arguing about now,

it was in my paper yesterday and not that i would necessarrily believe they know what's going on but the germans say they have no reason to disbelieve the boy and reckon he is english and say he is in good physical health,i bet he is if he has been living in the woods,they say he and his dad dug burrorws and may have crissed cross europe,

but surely if he doesn't remeber past 5 years there has been some trauma,obviously his mother dying but no reason to shut off completely if he is with his father so who knows what he has seen,anything could have happened as far as we know,i'm sure the shrinks will get it out of him eventually



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'I'm alone in the world. I don't know who I am': The first words of 'forest boy' who now wants to go back to live in the wild

The first words of Germany's mystery English-speaking ‘forest boy’, who is is said to have lived rough for five years, were: 'I'm alone in the world. I don't know who I am. Please help me.'


The teenager, known only as Ray and believed to be about 17 years of age, made his heartbreaking plea to German guards after walking out of the wilderness and presenting himself at Berlin City Hall.


The details have emerged on the same day it has been revealed that Ray is having trouble adjusting to conventional life, and has expressed a desire to return to the wild.


Sources close to the case claim he is having difficulty sleeping in a proper bed, while other creature comforts - such as soap, hot showers, and running water - are ‘unsettling’ the youngster.


He is thought to have spent at least five years sleeping rough in woods south of the German capital.


He handed himself in to officials on September 5 and was carrying a rucksack, tent and sleeping bag.


He told police his father had recently died after a fall and he had buried him under stones in a shallow grave. He then walked north for a fortnight until he reached Berlin.


An unnamed German civil servant, who claims to have had the first in-depth conversation with Ray, told the Daily Telegraph: 'He said he needed help, that he didn't know where to go and had no one in the world to look after him.


'I tried as much as I could to find out details about where he was from but he just didn't know.


'He seemed calm, not scared at all, but quiet. He said he had been told to go to Berlin if he ever needed help and had taken several weeks to walk here.

'He looked completely puzzled when I asked him if he had a passport or identity card, and I had to describe what they were.


'But he said he could read because his father had taught him.'


Despite the bizarre nature of the story, police have said it is credible. The source said it was ‘unsurprising’ the teenager found a soft bed so unusual if he had been sleeping rough for so long.


‘He has indicated that he would be far more comfortable on the forest floor and would prefer to return there to sleep,’ the source added.


The boy claimed that his father - identified only as Ryan - had taken him into the woods south of Berlin after his mother, Doreen, died in a car crash.


Now detectives have begun a search for the grave, or any other place where Ryan’s body might be lying.


The boy is unable to tell them exactly where he buried his father, but claimed he ‘followed his compass northwards’.


In the meantime, they are trying to make Ray a ward of court, so that an official can be appointed to make important decisions on his behalf.


DNA, fingerprint and dental records can also then be handed over to Interpol so that his records can be checked against those of missing children.


Police are baffled by the case, but say that everything Ray has told them so far adds up.


Officials believe the teenager could be British because he speaks English but only basic German. The British Consul is also working with police to try to solve the mystery.


Ray, who is 5ft 11in, with blond hair, is in good physical shape and had no signs of abuse apart from a small scar that is at least three years old.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2039398/Forest-boy-wants-to-wild-struggles-adjust-normal-life.html#ixzz1YZoqlTY1



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Kasz216 said:

 

A)  He stopped him from leaving.... how exactly?  He's one person.  One person tends to need to sleep, and the father couldn't spend eternity watching him, outside the fact that you know, the boy was clearly trained how to survive based on his condition.

B)  Not if he wasn't living in a modern society.  Aside from which "Taking away something that helps your kid" isn't child abuse.   Considering though that "his father taught him how to read".  Doesn't sound like it was doing him any good.

B2)  You've yet to show any abuse.  Do you have any proof he DIDN'T want to?  Looking at the post below, it looks like he wants to go back now.

If you actually paid attention to the story you were making a snap judgement on, you'd note the fact that the Father said "If anything happens to me and there is an emergency, go North and get help."

I'd guess that's why he went north to get help.  Who knows why the dad told him that, or what the dad planned on doing in the woods, or if he planned to get others to go with him or not.  Noone knows.

To suggest he should lose his kid just because he wanted to live in the woods with his son is ridiculious.

C) His Amneisa is about the time before he was in the woods.  So.... no... no it doesn't. 

If anything, it suggests that the death of his mother is what caused his memory loss.  In such cases it's even possible to lose reading and writing skills.  Hence MAYBE why his father had to teach a 13 year old to read, who knows though.

D) Lets put the average 15 year old in the woods, and see how clean they come out... if they come out of the woods at all.  Considering how many adults aren't "Smarter then a 5th grader" i think you overestimate how much knowledge is retained by the average person.

E) You have no proof he went insane.  Again you took "Went into the woods after his wife died" as "He went crazy and took his child into the woods."   How do you know that he didn't always want to do that, but his wife didn't, and after she died, he thought it'd be a good way for the family to heal.

You don't because your quite literally pulling stuff out of your ass to fit your worst case scenario sitaution.

I don't know the situation either, the difference is... I'm not trying to judge someone or instantly take away their children assuming that ANYONE that wants to live in the woods away from technology is some insane person who should be locked away.   (Even though, I personally find such an idea crazy, cause technology rules.)

I've decided to wait for further info (psych evaluation etc.) before I make any more judgments regarding this. Regarding point D though, in the article it's mentioned that he's afraid of soap, which makes you wonder how exactly he keeps himself clean.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

 

A)  He stopped him from leaving.... how exactly?  He's one person.  One person tends to need to sleep, and the father couldn't spend eternity watching him, outside the fact that you know, the boy was clearly trained how to survive based on his condition.

B)  Not if he wasn't living in a modern society.  Aside from which "Taking away something that helps your kid" isn't child abuse.   Considering though that "his father taught him how to read".  Doesn't sound like it was doing him any good.

B2)  You've yet to show any abuse.  Do you have any proof he DIDN'T want to?  Looking at the post below, it looks like he wants to go back now.

If you actually paid attention to the story you were making a snap judgement on, you'd note the fact that the Father said "If anything happens to me and there is an emergency, go North and get help."

I'd guess that's why he went north to get help.  Who knows why the dad told him that, or what the dad planned on doing in the woods, or if he planned to get others to go with him or not.  Noone knows.

To suggest he should lose his kid just because he wanted to live in the woods with his son is ridiculious.

C) His Amneisa is about the time before he was in the woods.  So.... no... no it doesn't. 

If anything, it suggests that the death of his mother is what caused his memory loss.  In such cases it's even possible to lose reading and writing skills.  Hence MAYBE why his father had to teach a 13 year old to read, who knows though.

D) Lets put the average 15 year old in the woods, and see how clean they come out... if they come out of the woods at all.  Considering how many adults aren't "Smarter then a 5th grader" i think you overestimate how much knowledge is retained by the average person.

E) You have no proof he went insane.  Again you took "Went into the woods after his wife died" as "He went crazy and took his child into the woods."   How do you know that he didn't always want to do that, but his wife didn't, and after she died, he thought it'd be a good way for the family to heal.

You don't because your quite literally pulling stuff out of your ass to fit your worst case scenario sitaution.

I don't know the situation either, the difference is... I'm not trying to judge someone or instantly take away their children assuming that ANYONE that wants to live in the woods away from technology is some insane person who should be locked away.   (Even though, I personally find such an idea crazy, cause technology rules.)

I've decided to wait for further info (psych evaluation etc.) before I make any more judgments regarding this. Regarding point D though, in the article it's mentioned that he's afraid of soap, which makes you wonder how exactly he keeps himself clean.

A smart thing to do.

As for the soap, could just be he's "afraid" of modern soap.  Homemade soap and modern soap are pretty different.  Homemade soft can often be softer, or completely liquid, it also usually moisturizes a lot better.



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his dad obviously told him to go to berlin if something happened so he did,

if he is english then they'll have dental records if they were anyway normal but i don't know if they have a database or anything

one thing is for sure i can already hear the TV companies making their decisions to start filming a drama,lol,

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zuvuyeay said:
his dad obviously told to go to berlin if something happened so he did,

if he is english then they'll have dental records if they were anyway normal but i don't know if they have a database or anything

one thing is for sure i can already here the TV companies making their decisions to start filming a drama,lol,


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I can already see Lifetime makign a TV movie out of it: Living in the Wild: The [insert boy's name here] Story.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

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defo, that has TV movie written all over it

oh no you quoted my terrible spelling and grammar,lol



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zuvuyeay said:
defo, that has TV movie written all over it

oh no you quoted my terrible spelling and grammar,lol

Yes, I immortalzied it.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

 

A)  He stopped him from leaving.... how exactly?  He's one person.  One person tends to need to sleep, and the father couldn't spend eternity watching him, outside the fact that you know, the boy was clearly trained how to survive based on his condition.

B)  Not if he wasn't living in a modern society.  Aside from which "Taking away something that helps your kid" isn't child abuse.   Considering though that "his father taught him how to read".  Doesn't sound like it was doing him any good.

B2)  You've yet to show any abuse.  Do you have any proof he DIDN'T want to?  Looking at the post below, it looks like he wants to go back now.

If you actually paid attention to the story you were making a snap judgement on, you'd note the fact that the Father said "If anything happens to me and there is an emergency, go North and get help."

I'd guess that's why he went north to get help.  Who knows why the dad told him that, or what the dad planned on doing in the woods, or if he planned to get others to go with him or not.  Noone knows.

To suggest he should lose his kid just because he wanted to live in the woods with his son is ridiculious.

C) His Amneisa is about the time before he was in the woods.  So.... no... no it doesn't. 

If anything, it suggests that the death of his mother is what caused his memory loss.  In such cases it's even possible to lose reading and writing skills.  Hence MAYBE why his father had to teach a 13 year old to read, who knows though.

D) Lets put the average 15 year old in the woods, and see how clean they come out... if they come out of the woods at all.  Considering how many adults aren't "Smarter then a 5th grader" i think you overestimate how much knowledge is retained by the average person.

E) You have no proof he went insane.  Again you took "Went into the woods after his wife died" as "He went crazy and took his child into the woods."   How do you know that he didn't always want to do that, but his wife didn't, and after she died, he thought it'd be a good way for the family to heal.

You don't because your quite literally pulling stuff out of your ass to fit your worst case scenario sitaution.

I don't know the situation either, the difference is... I'm not trying to judge someone or instantly take away their children assuming that ANYONE that wants to live in the woods away from technology is some insane person who should be locked away.   (Even though, I personally find such an idea crazy, cause technology rules.)

I've decided to wait for further info (psych evaluation etc.) before I make any more judgments regarding this. Regarding point D though, in the article it's mentioned that he's afraid of soap, which makes you wonder how exactly he keeps himself clean.

A smart thing to do.

As for the soap, could just be he's "afraid" of modern soap.  Homemade soap and modern soap are pretty different.  Homemade soft can often be softer, or completely liquid, it also usually moisturizes a lot better.


PRACTICAL homemade soap and store-bought soap also usually smell very, VERY different. If I'm making soap for the purpose of cleaning myself in that sort of environment, I'm not adding any sort of stupid perfumes to it. It's going to smell pretty ordinary.

It's rare to find perfume-free soaps at the store, though.

I'd be willing to say the smell probably offended him.



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