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Should Nato prevent members from attacking each others allies?

Yes 17 48.57%
 
No 13 37.14%
 
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Lostplanet22 on 13 September 2011
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 13 September 2011
Kasz216 said:

Turkey isn't going to pick a fight.

It's just another step towards slowly removing all secular signs in the government.

They're using the fact that a recent UN report found the Israel blockade legal and legitamite as an excuse to throw a hissyfit and excite the population in an anti-israel way to keep peoples minds off the fact that they're making a slow departure from a secular system into an Islamic one.

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Player1x3 on 13 September 2011

NATO and respect shouldnt be put into one sentence. NATO has shown before that it has no respect for international law nor UN when they bombed Yuoglsavia illegally in 1999. NATO are nothing but a bunch of air strike cowards, who are too affraid of any kind of casualties to fight on ´the ground



Booh! on 13 September 2011
Lostplanet22 said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.

The GDP of Turkey is just 1/3 of the GDP of Italy, 1/2 of those of Spain or Russia. Turkey has a long road ahead, and it's not an easy one like many have already pointed out here. On the other hand, Russia is gaining more and more political weight in Europe.

A military incident between Turkey and Israel could be very dangerous. It is true that many european countries are pretty neutral toward Israel, however many south-european countries are somewhat against Turkey. The result is unpredictable.



Lostplanet22 on 13 September 2011
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.

The GDP of Turkey is just 1/3 of the GDP of Italy, 1/2 of those of Spain or Russia. Turkey has a long road ahead, and it's not an easy one like many have already pointed out here. On the other hand, Russia is gaining more and more political weight in Europe.

A military incident between Turkey and Israel could be very dangerous. It is true that many european countries are pretty neutral toward Israel, however many south-european countries are somewhat against Turkey. The result is unpredictable.

And ten years ago it was 1/10th of the GDP of Italy....And?



 

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Booh! on 13 September 2011
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.

The GDP of Turkey is just 1/3 of the GDP of Italy, 1/2 of those of Spain or Russia. Turkey has a long road ahead, and it's not an easy one like many have already pointed out here. On the other hand, Russia is gaining more and more political weight in Europe.

A military incident between Turkey and Israel could be very dangerous. It is true that many european countries are pretty neutral toward Israel, however many south-european countries are somewhat against Turkey. The result is unpredictable.

And ten years ago it was 1/10th of the GDP of Italy....And?

It won't last, like it didn't last for Ireland and Spain.



Kasz216 on 13 September 2011
Player1x3 said:
NATO and respect shouldnt be put into one sentence. NATO has shown before that it has no respect for international law nor UN when they bombed Yuoglsavia illegally in 1999. NATO are nothing but a bunch of air strike cowards, who are too affraid of any kind of casualties to fight on ´the ground

If it's ok for Nato to involve itself in Libya to stop potential genocide, i don't see how you can argue that it's illegal for Nato to involve themselves in Yugoslavia where there was real actual genocide.

If you don't see Libya intervention, it's odd you'd bring up Yugoslavia at all.  Libya being more recent, and only being to "prvent" genocide.  Rather then stop it.



Lostplanet22 on 13 September 2011
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.

The GDP of Turkey is just 1/3 of the GDP of Italy, 1/2 of those of Spain or Russia. Turkey has a long road ahead, and it's not an easy one like many have already pointed out here. On the other hand, Russia is gaining more and more political weight in Europe.

A military incident between Turkey and Israel could be very dangerous. It is true that many european countries are pretty neutral toward Israel, however many south-european countries are somewhat against Turkey. The result is unpredictable.

And ten years ago it was 1/10th of the GDP of Italy....And?

It won't last, like it didn't last for Ireland and Spain.

Yes agree, if they have to beg in Beijing for money Italy will not last long anymore.



 

Booh! on 13 September 2011
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
TeddostheFireKing said:
Lostplanet22 said:
why do you expect UK to help Israël? European countries are having rather an neutral stand against Israel and an better relationship with Turkey. Turkey is on the way to being the country with the biggest population and being the biggest economy in 'Europe' an military action on it is going to be pain in the ass...


the population of Turkey is roughly 74 million, which isn't that much more than Britain and France (about 60 million) and a bit less than Germany (80 million), also, economically speaking, Turkey's GBP is roughly 1/3 of that of Britain, France and Germany, so I don't see how they are going to become the biggest economy in Europe any time soon

 

and at present I don't think we should interfere with Turkey's and Israel's dispute until something much larger happens (oh and JoelCool, I doubt Britain would send troops to help Israel, its more neutral like the rest of the European countries rather than pro-isreal like America)

I wrote' on their way'   the reports of the population are between 74-78 million, secondly they have (one of the) highest population growths in Europe so yeah they will be the biggest population quite soon especially if your population grows with more than a million a year while the population of Germany is stable'

Turkey's has also one of the biggest Economic growths of Europe.  For 2010 it was + 8% compared to Germany/Uk/France a big difference, and Turkey is also lucky to have a young population,  while in Europe they pay to take care of the granny's in Turkey they can spend the money in investments...  Sure it can take another 10-15  years before Turkey becomes the biggest economy but time flies and 10-15 years are nothing when you are talking about investments.

The GDP of Turkey is just 1/3 of the GDP of Italy, 1/2 of those of Spain or Russia. Turkey has a long road ahead, and it's not an easy one like many have already pointed out here. On the other hand, Russia is gaining more and more political weight in Europe.

A military incident between Turkey and Israel could be very dangerous. It is true that many european countries are pretty neutral toward Israel, however many south-european countries are somewhat against Turkey. The result is unpredictable.

And ten years ago it was 1/10th of the GDP of Italy....And?

It won't last, like it didn't last for Ireland and Spain.

Yes agree, if they have to beg in Beijing for money Italy will not last long anymore.

Why not? USA begged China for years now, Italy can do the same.



Kasz216 on 13 September 2011
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
Lostplanet22 said:
Booh! said:
 

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And ten years ago it was 1/10th of the GDP of Italy....And?

It won't last, like it didn't last for Ireland and Spain.

Yes agree, if they have to beg in Beijing for money Italy will not last long anymore.

Why not? USA begged China for years now, Italy can do the same.

The US didn't beg anyone.  China buysUS debt because unlike Italy... Chinese Debt is worth something.

It's basically the only economy and currency big enough to act as a decent reserve for the Chinese government to store their money. 

I mean the Euro?  No chance, not while every Eurostate has it's own independent fiscal policy.

Not to mention that the Chinese tie their currency to the Dollar, meaning in dollars they are far less vulerable to exchange rate changes then they would be the Euro.