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Whenever a fox anchor open his/her mouth. I felt an impulse to punch him/her in the face.



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by far...the stupidest shit I've ever heard...how was that news? they're basic taking a simple game and taking it WAY over the top. honestly who's gonna play fate of the world and think about "slaughtering cows" and yes playing games like flower are more destructive towards kids as Call of Duty? O_o?

ARRRGH!!! I feel like punching something!!!



sapphi_snake said:
thismeintiel said:

What's funny is that your 2nd vid contains the line, "If you oppose gay marriage, you are labeled a bigot."  Which is true.  So, in your view, if someone doesn't agree with your views, they are a bigot who promotes homophobia (a misused term) and racism (an overused term).

In my view anyone who supports the persecution, discrimination and marginalisation of homosexuals is a 'bigot who promotes homophobia'. Only bigots try to play the old 'you're calling me a bigot because I have different views than yourself' card. I'm sure that if anyone said something like 'I think the blacks should be enslaved', no one would be saying 'this man just has different views than us', they'd be saying 'this guy's a racist POS'. It's just that it's still OK to bully homosexuals in contemporary society, which is why bigots still have the nerve to play that 'different views' card. They'll be the one's losing in the end.

Personally, I don't care whether gays get to marry or if they don't, but I do know the problem with a lot of the people with your train of thought is that they sensationalize everything.  To actually compare someone promoting slavery to someone against gay marraige (while fully in support of civil unions) not only belittles the horror of slavery, but also your cause.  No one wants to dicuss any topic with someone who doesn't believe anyone can disagree with them and attacks the other person's views by calling them bigots and comparing them to slave owners.  It's hyperbole that doesn't solve anything.  Even more sad is that you feel that your view on the topic should be forced on ALL who live in the country by an overbearing Federal government.  Not the right way and voted on a state by state basis.

And perhaps the worse is the overuse and, most importantly, misuse of the word homophobia.  A phobia is a strong, irrational fear of an object or situation.  Something that brings the experiencer to a frightened panic.  Something tells me that little to none of the people who are opposed to gay marraige would go running and screaming or cower in fear if in the presence of a homosexual.  Then again, I guess this may not be the issue and just a pet peeve of mine. 



thismeintiel said:

Personally, I don't care whether gays get to marry or if they don't, but I do know the problem with a lot of the people with your train of thought is that they sensationalize everything.  To actually compare someone promoting slavery to someone against gay marraige (while fully in support of civil unions) not only belittles the horror of slavery, but also your cause.  No one wants to dicuss any topic with someone who doesn't believe anyone can disagree with them and attacks the other person's views by calling them bigots and comparing them to slave owners.  It's hyperbole that doesn't solve anything.  Even more sad is that you feel that your view on the topic should be forced on ALL who live in the country by an overbearing Federal government.  Not the right way and voted on a state by state basis.

And perhaps the worse is the overuse and, most importantly, misuse of the word homophobia.  A phobia is a strong, irrational fear of an object or situation.  Something that brings the experiencer to a frightened panic.  Something tells me that little to none of the people who are opposed to gay marraige would go running and screaming or cower in fear if in the presence of a homosexual.  Then again, I guess this may not be the issue and just a pet peeve of mine. 

Your entire post is full of many cliches. First of all, intolerance is the one thing that should not be tolerated. The reason why I ignore the anti-gay marriage crowd is because their views are intolerant, and because they don't listen to reason and rational arguments. And I don't understand this whole 'your view on this topic should be forced on ALL who live in a country...' part. Marriage only concerns the people getting married. It's not any of homophobe X's business that gay couple Y wants to get married. It's actually the anti-gay marriage crowd who want to focrce their views on others, by denying gays the posibility to marry (it's  no different than making eating ice cream illegal because you don't like ice cream). And the right way isn't voting on it on a state by state basis, because civil rights are things ALL people have by default, not things that the majority has by default, and may or may not allow minorities to have. Modern democracies are no longer 'tyrannies of the majority'.

As for your last paragraph, words evolve and gain new meanings. Homophobia no longer referres to a (mostly fictitious) mental disease, but also to the general dislike and antipathy towards homosexuals.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobic

 

Edit: I'd like to add that the best point of comparison for the people who are against same sex marriage isn't slave owners, but people who were against interracial marriage.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

So, anti-gay agenda is being brought up, because people think Fox News thinks Flower is gay? I would request this thread NOT morph into this subject, but focus on what might be seen offensive about Flower.

I would suggest someone start a thread to discuss this issue. I can comment on it by saying:
* Individuals who have a high divorce rate are in no place to discuss whether or not homosexuals will harm marriage, because their divorcing does more damage to the meaning of marriage than anything else.
* By pushing gay marriage as marriage, and pushing it through the arguments of rights, it becomes something where you demand society redefine what they consider marriage to be first. Second, by arguing it is a right, it opens the doors for others, who want to do poly-marriages to come in. If the idea was to force employers to give yourself marital benefits, by arguing that it is a right, then employers will feel justified to force to get rid of all marital benefits for all people who are in couple relationships. I could go into another thread on how a rights basis of ethics is limited and fails ultimately to enable the right things to be done.

BUT, this is for another thread. Start that thread and then post a link on it. I am not going to debate anyone on this here. Just do it, please.



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richardhutnik said:
So, anti-gay agenda is being brought up, because people think Fox News thinks Flower is gay? I would request this thread NOT morph into this subject, but focus on what might be seen offensive about Flower.

I would suggest someone start a thread to discuss this issue. I can comment on it by saying:
* Individuals who have a high divorce rate are in no place to discuss whether or not homosexuals will harm marriage, because their divorcing does more damage to the meaning of marriage than anything else.
* By pushing gay marriage as marriage, and pushing it through the arguments of rights, it becomes something where you demand society redefine what they consider marriage to be first. Second, by arguing it is a right, it opens the doors for others, who want to do poly-marriages to come in. If the idea was to force employers to give yourself marital benefits, by arguing that it is a right, then employers will feel justified to force to get rid of all marital benefits for all people who are in couple relationships. I could go into another thread on how a rights basis of ethics is limited and fails ultimately to enable the right things to be done.

BUT, this is for another thread. Start that thread and then post a link on it. I am not going to debate anyone on this here. Just do it, please.

Marriage is a right. Your whole 'demanding society to redefine what they consider marriage' is a non-argument. Society has had to redefine several things throughout history in order to include more people and end discrimination (voting, marriage already - see interracial marriage -, and even what is a human being). That is all I have to say in this thread regarding this issue.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
thismeintiel said:

Personally, I don't care whether gays get to marry or if they don't, but I do know the problem with a lot of the people with your train of thought is that they sensationalize everything.  To actually compare someone promoting slavery to someone against gay marraige (while fully in support of civil unions) not only belittles the horror of slavery, but also your cause.  No one wants to dicuss any topic with someone who doesn't believe anyone can disagree with them and attacks the other person's views by calling them bigots and comparing them to slave owners.  It's hyperbole that doesn't solve anything.  Even more sad is that you feel that your view on the topic should be forced on ALL who live in the country by an overbearing Federal government.  Not the right way and voted on a state by state basis.

And perhaps the worse is the overuse and, most importantly, misuse of the word homophobia.  A phobia is a strong, irrational fear of an object or situation.  Something that brings the experiencer to a frightened panic.  Something tells me that little to none of the people who are opposed to gay marraige would go running and screaming or cower in fear if in the presence of a homosexual.  Then again, I guess this may not be the issue and just a pet peeve of mine. 

Your entire post is full of many cliches. First of all, intolerance is the one thing that should not be tolerated. The reason why I ignore the anti-gay marriage crowd is because their views are intolerant, and because they don't listen to reason and rational arguments. And I don't understand this whole 'your view on this topic should be forced on ALL who live in a country...' part. Marriage only concerns the people getting married. It's not any of homophobe X's business that gay couple Y wants to get married. It's actually the anti-gay marriage crowd who want to focrce their views on others, by denying gays the posibility to marry (it's  no different than making eating ice cream illegal because you don't like ice cream). And the right way isn't voting on it on a state by state basis, because civil rights are things ALL people have by default, not things that the majority has by default, and may or may not allow minorities to have. Modern democracies are no longer 'tyrannies of the majority'.

As for your last paragraph, words evolve and gain new meanings. Homophobia no longer referres to a (mostly fictitious) mental disease, but also to the general dislike and antipathy towards homosexuals.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/homophobic

 

Edit: I'd like to add that the best point of comparison for the people who are against same sex marriage isn't slave owners, but people who were against interracial marriage.

you say somw of the most closed minded and intolorant and least accepting thingsi know of.

 

by the way. gays have the exact same "rights" as straights. i have absolutely no priveldges than gay people. and im not homophobic. and the only reason homophobic may have changed its definition (becoming the only phobia, that completely ignore the meainig of phobia) is because people ;ike you want to use it against people they simply disagree with, so rather than try to win an argument of ideas, you just try to discredit by attcting that label to someone. its much easier to this persons a homophob instead of actualling having a debate and winning



osamanobama said:

you say somw of the most closed minded and intolorant and least accepting thingsi know of.

 

by the way. gays have the exact same "rights" as straights. i have absolutely no priveldges than gay people. and im not homophobic. and the only reason homophobic may have changed its definition (becoming the only phobia, that completely ignore the meainig of phobia) is because people ;ike you want to use it against people they simply disagree with, so rather than try to win an argument of ideas, you just try to discredit by attcting that label to someone. its much easier to this persons a homophob instead of actualling having a debate and winning

Ummm, you are aware that there's no way someone like you could possibly win a 'argument of ideeas', simpyl because you're ideeas are bad. Your whole rejection of the homophobe label is simply you not liking the fact your viewsare labeled as hateful. And no, gays do not have 'the exact same rights' as straight people (at least not in your country), and you certainly can enjoy privileges that gay people can. Of course, I'm not surprised that a person like you would fabricate such fictions.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
osamanobama said:

you say somw of the most closed minded and intolorant and least accepting thingsi know of.

 

by the way. gays have the exact same "rights" as straights. i have absolutely no priveldges than gay people. and im not homophobic. and the only reason homophobic may have changed its definition (becoming the only phobia, that completely ignore the meainig of phobia) is because people ;ike you want to use it against people they simply disagree with, so rather than try to win an argument of ideas, you just try to discredit by attcting that label to someone. its much easier to this persons a homophob instead of actualling having a debate and winning

Ummm, you are aware that there's no way someone like you could possibly win a 'argument of ideeas', simpyl because you're ideeas are bad. Your whole rejection of the homophobe label is simply you not liking the fact your viewsare labeled as hateful. And no, gays do not have 'the exact same rights' as straight people (at least not in your country), and you certainly can enjoy privileges that gay people can. Of course, I'm not surprised that a person like you would fabricate such fictions.

no, i could really not care less about someone like you labeling me a homophobe. it just shows you cant win an argument, basically it shows concession.

and anyway, would you care to tell me in my country what "rights" I enjoy that gay people dont.

i would really like to know what "rights" i have that other citizens of this country dont



So, is someone who dislikes Microsoft a "Microsoftophobe"?