the fun thing is you can say others and usa pays for wiisports

Wii has sold 8.5 million units in america and six plus in others. What you have to understand is that not many games make it to that mark on thier own. Yes other games have been packed in for other systems, but not launched with a pack in, or not been packed in for fifteen months now. the fact that it's at the top is nice, but if you take out the pack in numbers from america, then use the attach rate it has in other countries, it'd be a much smaller number. But there's no way to really know, as we don't know what the attach rate would be in america + others.

That's fourteen million games sold because they're packed in. I think this is a blemish in the top ten.

 I didn't say that they bought the Wii solely for Wii Sport; in fact it is the argument used by Wii haters: "the Wii is a fad and when people get tired of Wii Sport it goes in the closet" crowd, which if true would mean that they were buying the Wii solely for Wii Sport as according to them they do not buy other games when tiring of it but stop playing the console altogether.

 I am however saying that the vast majority of those liking the Wii for its casual nature are buying it because of Wii Sport, just like more traditional gamers buy a 360 for Halo3 or a PS3 for Final Fantasy XIII (when it comes out). If they like casual games they are very likely to like Wii sport and I believe I have been more than generous in eliminating half of the sales difference between the GC and Wii to account for people that bought a Wii but not a Gamecube but didn't buy a Wii because they liked Wii Sport either.

 Tell me, do you really believe that there are many people that would have bought a Wii if they were not interested in its hardcore side like old
GC buyers nor in buying Wii Sports?

One point you could make is that less people might have bought Wii Sports than my low estimate if it was not packed in as having it packed in with every console in America and Europe kills any resale value in those markets so they do not have the option of buying a naked Wii with a second hand Wii Sport as people do not trade them in. However I believe that my using only half the expanded audience and not using any of the GC audience more than account for that.

@DmeisterJ:

"but if you take out the pack in numbers from america, then use the attach rate it has in other countries, it'd be a much smaller number." 

Read my post for such an analysis. Even taking the difference between GC sales and Wii sales in America/Others (to get the expanded audience number) and dividing by 2 (to be generous the the anti-bundling crowd by assuming that only half of the expanded audience would have bought Wii Sport and none of the hardcore gamers would have) then adding back the number of Wii Sports sold in Japan we still get a very respectable 7.17M which while not in the top ten yet is already more than any MGS game (the PS3's savior in 08) and soon will be higher than any FF game (the PS3's other savior) first released on the PS2 (FFX at about 800-900k more than my low estimation).

"That's fourteen million games sold because they're packed in. I think this is a blemish in the top ten."

Whenever I hear people say they like playing on a Wii, usually the only game I hear them talk about is Wii Sports. And they're usually not the 15-25 (or whatever the heck it is) year old crowd either. I've heard relatively few people mention playing other games. Take my sister for instance. She keeps telling me how the bowling, tennis, and baseball events are really fun and wishes she had a Wii. I then asked her what other games she's played, and she said none because her friend only had Wii Sports.

I think people bought the system for the innovative control, and the game was made to show how they can be implemented. Wii Sports is selling well because it's packed in and because it lets you use the Wiimote. It recieved average scores from the press yet it's in the top ten of best-sellers. The good sales could also be attributed to the fact that it has relatively few good games (in terms of scores).

On another note, the Japanese have been in a quirky game craze these past two years. That's why the Wii and DS are so popular there. Nintendo's bringing it to the U.S. now with mainly just this game.

 I don't think they'd switch out Wii Sports with Wii Sports 2.  I think they'd do a non price cut price drop if you get what I mean, and just bundle in Wii Sports 1 and 2 for the same price with the Wii and also sell it separately for those who want it as well that already bought the Wii with pack in.

 No, I'm sitting right in it!

I think you are wrong...

You are essentially saying that if WiiSports was on 360 or PS3 it would sell just as well because after all it is selling the console...

WiiSports is a simplistic, graphically inferior title that resembles sports games from the late 80's.  The reason that Wiis are selling is the whole package.  The motion controller is useless without the games and many of the games for the Wii are not as good without the motion controller.  WiiSports is one of those games.

It is a shame that bundled games become #1 of all time. 

Hexic HD comes with every XBox 360 sold with a hard drive...  Why isn't it on the list?

UPDATE:  And yes, I agree Forz, Marvel Ultimate Alliance and Motorstorm should be removed as well.

I can't buy WiiSports at a store so is it really a game that is being sold?

People seem excited about the sales of Motorstorm and resistence, which never approach the attach rate of Wii Sports when all of those games are sold stand-alone.

Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo are all doing pack-ins.  And all of the pack-in games are being counted as sales, as they should be.  If those companies want to include a game with their consoles what is the harm in it?  It's good for everyone.

 You must think the majority of the top 10 is a blemish, then.

SMB1: Probably almost 90% of its copies were sold as pack-ins.
Pokemon Red/Blue/Green: There were a few bundled GB deals with Pokemon included, but most of those sales are authentic... and multiple copies are owned by the same gamers in many cases, too thanks to the one-game-three-versions nature of the game
Tetris: At least 80% of the copies of this game were pack-in sales; Tetris sold the GameBoy more than anything else
Duck Hunt: Probably more than 90% of the copies of Duck Hunt sold were backed with SMB1.
Pokemon Gold/Silver: Again, multiple-carts-one-game syndrome means that more than a few bought both versions.  But this was probably not packed in much.
Super Mario World: I'd estimate about 75% of SMW carts were pack-ins.
Super Mario Land: Also a pack-in for the GB, probably at least 66% of its sales were due to pack-ins
Super Mario Bros. 3: SMB3 was packed in only briefly with the NES, so perhaps 15% of its sales are due to that
Wii Sports: Thus far, about 85% of the copies of Wii Sports were sold as pack-ins.
Nintendogs: Pack-ins for this game have been only recent, so probably 10% or less.

 As you can see, most of the top-selling games were pack-ins at some point, and almost every single one sold a significant portion of its copies in pack-in form.  As you go further down the list, the status as "pack-in" gets less prominent, though.  So kindly either stop complaining about Wii Sports being on the list, or start berating all of the OTHER pack-in games in the top 10 as well.  Thank you.