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zarx said:
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:

than please enlighten me with the truth, but dont forget to provide evidence for that first :) and i didn't make anything up at all

The key difference being that I'm not making a high claim.  I'm not saying "there is no god" or "God does NOT feel this way", I'm just seeing an inconsistency and requesting supporting evidence.  


God would never allow living people to have an observable evidence on him, that would seriously damage his plan. And i based my claim on logic and some basic theological studies regarding omnipotent deity.

Most christians would claim that the Bible is "observable evidence", others claim this world and humans are both "observable evidence" and some even claim to have seen him, there are also many other peices of "observable evidence" of god (or at least that is what many people of faith and religious orgs claim) does that mean you think that god mustn't exist? I mean if you beileve that he is perfect and that "observable evidence"..."would seriously damage his plan" that must mean that you don't think god is real...

Whoever said that hasnt got a clue wha he is talking about. People can only see God by faith, it says so in every religous book, and Bible isnt there to prove God exists, its there to teach people right from wrong and righteous christian morals. If God would actually expose himself to living people on Earth, that WOULD damage his divine plan, I dont see how this claim has anything to do with his 'non existance'



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Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:

than please enlighten me with the truth, but dont forget to provide evidence for that first :) and i didn't make anything up at all

The key difference being that I'm not making a high claim.  I'm not saying "there is no god" or "God does NOT feel this way", I'm just seeing an inconsistency and requesting supporting evidence.  


God would never allow living people to have an observable evidence on him, that would seriously damage his plan. And i based my claim on logic and some basic theological studies regarding omnipotent deity.

How awfully convenient of god to have that opinion!  I mean, it's too convenient...in fact it's so convenient it sounds like you made it up so you didn't have to provide proof.  I mean, I DID read the bible, and I didn't see anything in there about "oh, but I'm not gonna prove my existence to test faith"...which would be a hypocrisy anyway since God and Jesus are both VERY prominent figures in the bible.  And since the bible is supposedly accurate, your statement must be false.  

God doesnt have an opinnion, everything he says or thinks is the ultimate truth, simply because he is God. His ''opinion'' is universal law. And God does expose his existance to living people, only not by sight, but by faith. If you dont have faith, why are you even trying to discover or realize God, let alone comperhand him. Its like saying ''I wanna count how much is 147+213 but I dont know the numbers that go after 10'' You want to ''see'' something without having the most neccesary tool to do so.So why do you even bother creating this thread? And you still dont want to use any logic. Why on Earth would God want to expose himself to every human on the planet. Can you comperhand how drastically that would chnage human course on Earth?



Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:

How awfully convenient of god to have that opinion!  I mean, it's too convenient...in fact it's so convenient it sounds like you made it up so you didn't have to provide proof.  I mean, I DID read the bible, and I didn't see anything in there about "oh, but I'm not gonna prove my existence to test faith"...which would be a hypocrisy anyway since God and Jesus are both VERY prominent figures in the bible.  And since the bible is supposedly accurate, your statement must be false.  

God doesnt have an opinnion, everything he says or thinks is the ultimate truth, simply because he is God. His ''opinion'' is universal law. And God does expose his existance to living people, only not by sight, but by faith. If you dont have faith, why are you even trying to discover or realize God, let alone comperhand him. Its like saying ''I wanna count how much is 147+213 but I dont know the numbers that go after 10'' You want to ''see'' something without having the most neccesary tool to do so.So why do you even bother creating this thread? And you still dont want to use any logic. Why on Earth would God want to expose himself to every human on the planet. Can you comperhand how drastically that would chnage human course on Earth?


You're not even trying, are you?  "God is this way because I say he is" is NOT evidence to back up a claim.  "The bible says it and this is how I interpret it" isn't evidence either, not in the least. You're just making stuff up that conveniently lifts the burden of proof off your shoulders. 



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I find it funny that padib is one of the few here that actually want to put up with you and offer a debate, yet you come up with excuse after excuse to avoid such a debate. Debate with him. Humor us. Otherwise this thread really was for nothing other than an excuse to call more and more people idiotic, foolish, illogical, naive, and other flames/insults while somehow getting away with it.



nightsurge said:
I find it funny that padib is one of the few here that actually want to put up with you and offer a debate, yet you come up with excuse after excuse to avoid such a debate. Debate with him. Humor us. Otherwise this thread really was for nothing other than an excuse to call more and more people idiotic, foolish, illogical, naive, and other flames/insults while somehow getting away with it.


I read his stuff, there was no evidence there, none of it was in any way conclusive.  Mostly just a lot of "Well the bible has some right things so that must mean it's all real," 

I'm not wasting my time debating that style, it'll just be a lot of he said she said nonsense. 



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Runa216 said:
nightsurge said:
I find it funny that padib is one of the few here that actually want to put up with you and offer a debate, yet you come up with excuse after excuse to avoid such a debate. Debate with him. Humor us. Otherwise this thread really was for nothing other than an excuse to call more and more people idiotic, foolish, illogical, naive, and other flames/insults while somehow getting away with it.

I read his stuff, there was no evidence there, none of it was in any way conclusive.  Mostly just a lot of "Well the bible has some right things so that must mean it's all real," 

I'm not wasting my time debating that style, it'll just be a lot of he said she said nonsense. 

That's not at all what he did. Maybe to your lazy interpretation and refusal to face opposition it seemed that way.

There was plenty of evidence. The validity of which you have shown no supporting evidence yourself to contrive.

And as always... what's that I hear? Oh right, an excuse. A cop out.



Player1x3 said:
zarx said:
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:

than please enlighten me with the truth, but dont forget to provide evidence for that first :) and i didn't make anything up at all

The key difference being that I'm not making a high claim.  I'm not saying "there is no god" or "God does NOT feel this way", I'm just seeing an inconsistency and requesting supporting evidence.  


God would never allow living people to have an observable evidence on him, that would seriously damage his plan. And i based my claim on logic and some basic theological studies regarding omnipotent deity.

Most christians would claim that the Bible is "observable evidence", others claim this world and humans are both "observable evidence" and some even claim to have seen him, there are also many other peices of "observable evidence" of god (or at least that is what many people of faith and religious orgs claim) does that mean you think that god mustn't exist? I mean if you beileve that he is perfect and that "observable evidence"..."would seriously damage his plan" that must mean that you don't think god is real...

Whoever said that hasnt got a clue wha he is talking about. People can only see God by faith, it says so in every religous book, and Bible isnt there to prove God exists, its there to teach people right from wrong and righteous christian morals. If God would actually expose himself to living people on Earth, that WOULD damage his divine plan, I dont see how this claim has anything to do with his 'non existance'


So lets get this straight, you belive that God has never exposed hi,mself to humans in any way and to do so would ruin his plan. And you belive that because it is "in every religous book" but the Bible also says that  “… from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:15-17) so the Bible it's self claims to be "God-breathed" so for that to be so God would have to expose himself in some way, there is also the matter of god directly intracting with man in most biblical stories. If that is not true then the Bible is inacurate and can't be trusted so obveusly "People can only see God by faith" would also have to be dissregarded as the Bible can't be trusted.



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zarx said:
Player1x3 said:

Whoever said that hasnt got a clue wha he is talking about. People can only see God by faith, it says so in every religous book, and Bible isnt there to prove God exists, its there to teach people right from wrong and righteous christian morals. If God would actually expose himself to living people on Earth, that WOULD damage his divine plan, I dont see how this claim has anything to do with his 'non existance'


So lets get this straight, you belive that God has never exposed hi,mself to humans in any way and to do so would ruin his plan. And you belive that because it is "in every religous book" but the Bible also says that  “… from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:15-17) so the Bible it's self claims to be "God-breathed" so for that to be so God would have to expose himself in some way, there is also the matter of god directly intracting with man in most biblical stories. If that is not true then the Bible is inacurate and can't be trusted so obveusly "People can only see God by faith" would also have to be dissregarded as the Bible can't be trusted.

You're not getting anywhere with this guy.  His opinion is set in stone, much like the Ten Commandments.  There's a reason I just started shaking my head and refusing to attack these 'debate points' head on, because when it all boils down to it, 95% of the arguments in here that are supporting the divine creator consist of "He's real because I say so."  they won't accept this and continue to insist that "Moses was real and Jesus was real, therefore God is real", disregarding the fact that the two are not linked, logistically.  

in a way I truly do regret making this thread, but not for the reasons people insist I should.  



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Runa216 said:
zarx said:
Player1x3 said:

Whoever said that hasnt got a clue wha he is talking about. People can only see God by faith, it says so in every religous book, and Bible isnt there to prove God exists, its there to teach people right from wrong and righteous christian morals. If God would actually expose himself to living people on Earth, that WOULD damage his divine plan, I dont see how this claim has anything to do with his 'non existance'


So lets get this straight, you belive that God has never exposed hi,mself to humans in any way and to do so would ruin his plan. And you belive that because it is "in every religous book" but the Bible also says that  “… from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work” (2 Timothy 3:15-17) so the Bible it's self claims to be "God-breathed" so for that to be so God would have to expose himself in some way, there is also the matter of god directly intracting with man in most biblical stories. If that is not true then the Bible is inacurate and can't be trusted so obveusly "People can only see God by faith" would also have to be dissregarded as the Bible can't be trusted.

You're not getting anywhere with this guy.  His opinion is set in stone, much like the Ten Commandments.  There's a reason I just started shaking my head and refusing to attack these 'debate points' head on, because when it all boils down to it, 95% of the arguments in here that are supporting the divine creator consist of "He's real because I say so."  they won't accept this and continue to insist that "Moses was real and Jesus was real, therefore God is real", disregarding the fact that the two are not linked, logistically.  

in a way I truly do regret making this thread, but not for the reasons people insist I should.  


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zarx said:


I don't expect to get anywhere I just find it funny 

I especially find it funny that there are people who honestly believe the word of a book...because the book told them that it was true. 



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