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| forest-spirit said: How can we think of something that doesn't exist? I believe that God exists but he's nothing but a thought created by mankind. He exists, just like Athena or Horus or Odin or Morgoth exists. I don't believe he exists outside of our minds and texts though, and if he does he's one selfish, sick, evil bastard. Just think about it, the only way for you to be accepted into heaven is to live by his rules, and before we were able to spread information around the globe those rules were only known by a small portion of the world's population. Basically: God to a European: "Hey, you were born in Europe! Congratulations, the priests there will tell you about Christ and how to be a good Christian so that you may walk with me in heaven once you're dead and buried. Yay!" God to an Aborigine: "I don't know how to say this but, you were born in the wrong part of the world. You'll never get the chance to become a Christian since, well, I was too lazy to send you that note. Not that I cared anyway. You'll end up in hell. Sucks to be you I guess, but there's only so many seats in heaven anyway, so..." If God is some kind of omnipotent thingy that cares about his creations then why didn't he give everyone on earth a fair chance? It's like giving all 1st graders a trip to Disneyland if they go to school wearing this particular hat but you only tell the children of one school about it and all the other 1st graders will have to be mindreaders (and being a mindreader is bloody unorthodox and will get you raped) or they'll miss out. Heck, they'll miss out on Disneyland, they'll get told that they didn't get to go and they'll get beaten up by the principal as punishment for their lack of psychic powers (which, they shouldn't have unless they want to die a horrible death). |
Probably the smartest post in the entire thread, and most credible support for his existence (that he's a metaphor, or an idea that exists as a placebo)
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| Final-Fan said: Also this means his "theological studies" are actually sheer speculation, handed down from other speculators. Because with no evidence, guessing is all you can do. |
You know what's interesting? Before Newton came around, the laws of calculus very much existed, yet no one had any proof for or against it. Guessing was all everyone could do before then.
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How awfully convenient of god to have that opinion! I mean, it's too convenient...in fact it's so convenient it sounds like you made it up so you didn't have to provide proof. I mean, I DID read the bible, and I didn't see anything in there about "oh, but I'm not gonna prove my existence to test faith"...which would be a hypocrisy anyway since God and Jesus are both VERY prominent figures in the bible. And since the bible is supposedly accurate, your statement must be false.
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I havent read a single comment on here and I refuse to. All I want to say is for everybody to shut up about it. People will believe in what they want to and you will never change there minds on what they believe.
| JayWood2010 said: I havent read a single comment on here and I refuse to. All I want to say is for everybody to shut up about it. People will believe in what they want to and you will never change there minds on what they believe. |
It's not about what you believe, the thread was never about repressing religion. If you want to believe in God, go right ahead...I am not trying to cause a riot. No, my problem is when we have educators trying to teach Intelligent Design alongside Evolution as a theory, I have a problem with all those preachers out there claiming you can "find jesus and have all your sins cleansed", I have a problem with how politics, science, and society have all been driven by an invisible, unprovable force.
If you believe, good for you, I'm happy, but keep it to yourself. the moment a religious person is claiming to have all the answers or are butting their nose in science, they should have to prove it. If they have a belief that they're pushing as truth, and convincing billions of people to follow, they should have to prove it.
so no, I will not shut up.
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i dont know why every one that not belive the god exicsts put the science against Religion why in qoran there are many states that say to learn the sciences and to obtained knowledge and thinking about this life this Universe and about Ourselves and when you look at the qoran there are many states about science facts in our life that the science discovered it today but this facts in the qoran from more than 1400 year that prove to you and when you look in any thing in this life by logic no Building will build by no one but Certainly by some one and this dont need any Intelligence so if you look to our life you will see that every thing goes Accurately and when something wrong happen we see the Natural disasters and if you look at the hestory of man kind you will see thousandths drom Prophets that send by the god to say to the people there are one god all this prophets not prove and when all of this prophets say one thing and call the human being to belive that there is one god and to reach Their message to all the people and they seen every Torment but they insists to complete thir message with out any obverse all of this not prove if you look at the life of the human it self its prove that the god exist what do you need to belive to see the god by your eye so whats the reason for the heaven and the hell !!!
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*Standing Ovation* ,....Also I am really high right now and this thread is tripping me out lmao
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| Runa216 said: I want to say, this is NOT a troll thread, I'm not looking to piss people off nor am I demanding perfection of the imperfect. I am, however, looking for some answers. Religion is a huge part of modern culture, there's no denying this. People go to church, say "god bless you", and generally seem to be okay with believing in it and accept it at face value. But a lot of this is a pervasive remnant of a culture that should have died 60 years ago. We are living in an age of enlightenment, where more and more of the universe is being discovered and Science is contributing to this world more and more, so it's less and less rational to believe in something like God. In a world where we need absolute, undeniable proof of something before we believe it (pics or it didn't happen, not to mention many people are actively resisting Stem Cell research because much of the limited research so far has been largely inconclusive), it's a very biased attitude to be fine with having faith in god without that same demand for proof. so I submit that, if people the world over want to continue to not only run their lives based off an archaic belief system but control the rest of the people by pushing those views, I propose we demand empirical evidence of god. Any God. And no, "you can't prove that God exists, this isn't fair" isn't an adequate response. Being okay with having faith or twisting logic so that "it's all a test" is not good enough, if Religion is to persist in the modern world it should be subject to the same criticism and rigorous testing the rest of our lives demand. Religion should not be given a free pass simply because it's been a part of our social collective for so long, without progress we stagnate, so if you're going to cling to those beliefs without proof, then at least try to substantiate it. So go, offer proof. Hell, even rational theories will do, I honestly want to hear them, but expect skepticism. |
I think the title for this thread should be "Give evidence that God exists".
Why does religion have to give proof and science have to give evidence?
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