IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh)
I think intelligent life exists outside the Earth. But do we have any proof? No. Does that mean it doesn't exist? No. It just means we haven't found any proof yet.
Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him.
| VGKing said: IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh) Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him. |
I agree wholeheartedly with that last line. What that means is that he can't hurt you. He has no power over you. You don't have to fear him (why anybody would fear an omnibenevolent being is beyond me, but God said so himself and killed quite a few people who refused).
Why does he "allow us to choose", and then if we make the wrong choice (not that we even know what the right choice is, since he wrote three different books on the matter) he tortures us for eternity? Unless, of course, we say sorry to him just before we die, in which case the whole heaven and hell thing amounts to how well you lick God's boots. Perfectly understandable for an omnipotent being, but not a benevolent one.
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| VGKing said: IMO I think "God" is some sort of Alien.(go ahead laugh) Does God exist? Yes, in a spiritual way. He exists in all that believe in him. |
Would you agree with me if I said church and state should be seperated then?
by that I mean things such as gay marriage to become legal?
If god is love why would he dicriminate people who are slightly different from the average person.
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| Joelcool7 said: Alright you say this thread isn't supposed to be insulting and is supposed to be intelligent. Yet you already know that nobody can prove God exists and the premice of your thread is people aren't allowed to give you the most educated response. Anybody with a basic education knows that you can't prove or disprove the existance of God , trying to do so is futile. So I'm going to call your bluff. This thread's intent is obviously hostile in nature and meant to draw users into a debate they cannot win. You know that these users arguments will be flawed because as I said above their is no way of proving or disproving the existance of God. This is a bait thread and your hoping some users actually come on so you and other users can target them. This thread should be closed immediatly if you truly back what you said in the OP. Your one of the writers I suggest you contact a Mod and have it closed. I will be reporting it as well as a flame bait thread , because thats exactly what it is. Don't like my response, I'm sorry but as a writer for VGChartz you have to have some integrity, you can't go out and violate VGChartz policies or make a thread with the soul purpose of insulting users. This is very low and I hope you take what I say seriously and contact a mod immediatly before this thread gets out of hand! |
That's how you have taken it, I don't find the OP insulting at all (looking at it from all POV) don't throw your toys out of the pram just because you don't agree with the OP.
Thread should remain open.
Runa216 said:
You do know I've long since stopped reading even a single word of your posts, right? You convinced me early in the thread that you were just here to whine and b'aww about the thread, so I'm not even gonna take the 2 minutes it would take to read this post and shake my head in disdain. Doubly ironic since it seems like you read every one of my posts just so you have something to complain about. |
Man, dude your arrogant not even reading another users posts because you think you are so much better then that user. No if you read my response it wasn't any whining. I rarely ever say anything about a user but you have no respect left in my books am I whining? Awes I'm sorry I disagree with you.
So if you disagree with someone rather then being mature and talking with that user you not only ignore them but then go into the thread and tell everyone your ignoring them.
Geez I'm not whining I am pissed. At least when I talk with Sapphi and other users I debate with they treat me with the same respect I treat them. I read your arrogant and uneducated bullshit and respond but you have the gull to actually say your ignoring me.
How the hell did you get a job with VGChartz? I'm not going to comment on why this thread wasn't locked. I'm going to comment on the fact that you are totally unqualified to write for VGChartz. In fact your attitude and unprofessional behavior you shouldn't be representing anyone. Smeags and the other writers actually work hard and are respectable they treat the users with dignity and respect. You not only treated me like crap but many other users.
You don't deserve to be working for VGChartz. Not saying I do, but if this thread is any indication of your professionalism then you should be fired tomorrow.
As the ninth highest ranking user I will personally consider leaving if crap like this continues. A message to ioi and any staff at VGChartz, I am launching a site in the coming months launch date January 1st 2012. I am looking for business partners to get in with, however my site is not going to be like any other site currently on the internet. I already have contacts at BioWare, EACanada and thirty of Canada's biggest independent studios. I was hoping to talk to someone soon about affiliating my site with yours upon launch. Such as sharing news stories with Smeags and using VGChartz data in news articles I report.
I was planning on becoming a paid member as well. As many like Viper and Smeags know I took journalism in both High school and University. I also worked for Das-Games and four other gaming sites before being hired by the Abbotsford Times NewsPaper to be their video game and film critic.
I am a professional journalist. I may not work for VGChartz but I have more then six years experiance. Runa, as a journalist to another supposed journalist this is crap.
Now I'm not going to make any threats as I would still like to work with VGChartz and am an active user and plan to remain active. However writers treating their readers and users in this fashion is not going to help VGChartz. Nor will it increase chances of people actually wanting to work with/for you.
I truly hope Runa does not actually represent VGChartz or their business practices and journalistic integrity. If Runa decides to actually pull his head out of his ass and reply logically and intellectually to my last post or this post then I will likely respond. I am not a low life scum bag I actually listen to my readers and give replies. I don't go around attacking those I disagree with.
P.S- that last comment is to show you how backwards this is, I expect to be banned for saying such a thing as I should. In getting banned I will prove my point. See you all after my ban!
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Kantor said:
I can't disagree with you here. Buddhism and Hinduism make considerably more sense than every theistic religion I've ever come across, and I haven't even read into it as deeply as you have. From what I know of Hinduism, the gods are not regarded in the same way as the Christian god at all. They are metaphors for natural forces, and any educated person would be able to tell you this, and would find the idea of a literal existence of God absolutely ludicrous. The thought that he (in his infinite benevolence and wisdom) would tell you how to live your life, condemn you to eternity in hell if you disobey him, and forgive you if you slap yourself across the face a few times and give $10 to the church is ridiculous to them, and as completely at odds with Hinduism as it is with common sense. Meditation certainly has benefits, and I get very annoyed with fellow atheists who tell me not to meditate because atheists shouldn't believe in the supernatural. Firstly, one of the greatest benefits of being an atheist is that you don't have an enormous, corrupt, profit-driven institution breathing down your neck and telling you how to live. Secondly, it helps you to relax and consider your thoughts, to see things in a new light, and indeed, to some extent to achieve enlightenment. That doesn't seem supernatural to me, any more than consciousness itself is supernatural, but then what does the word "supernatural" actually mean? Were electrons supernatural before we discovered them? Just because science has yet to discover something does not mean that it never will. I see prayer as a form of meditation, which is why I am not opposed to personal religion. I am opposed to the idea that one man was right about everything (this applies to both Buddha and Jesus, and while we're at it, Abraham and Muhammad and all the rest of them). I am opposed to the fact that the Abrahamic religions have been twisted enormously out of proportion over 2000 years and their teachings don't even come close to resembling what is written in their holy books any more. I am opposed to the idea that there is any way to live so "wrong" that you will be tortured for an eternity, especially when your heinous crime is loving somebody of your own gender, or just not accepting that a man was the son of God without any evidence. Really, the only reason that Buddhism and Hinduism make so much sense is that they are fundamentally atheistic. There is no real supreme authority. There is no eternal torture and pain. For some reason, those two religions have not been twisted in the way that Christianity and Islam have into their present monstrosities, seen in al-Qaeda and the writings of Anders Breivik. Do the majority of Christians and Muslims believe those things? No. Are their beliefs any closer to the teachings of the Bible? Not really, no. Please let me know if I am completely off base here. I concede that you are far more knowledgeable about this than I am. |
'' The thought that he (in his infinite benevolence and wisdom) would tell you how to live your life, condemn you to eternity in hell if you disobey him, and forgive you if you slap yourself across the face a few times and give $10 to the church is ridiculous to them, and as completely at odds with Hinduism as it is with common sense.''
Agreed on this part. One who believes this sort of thing is accepting that religion is a 'transaction based' process, which is entirely opposed to anything Jesus ever said - Christians indeed eh.
There is a lot to be said about the rest of your comments. One major point is that persons who are 'atheistic' are not excluded from following the philosophy. Every concievable mentality is catered for in some form or another. One who prefers seeing this universe as a combination of elements may study the Sankhya branch of Vedanta and in so doing attain real knowledge of the self.
However, saying that:
''...the only reason that Buddhism and Hinduism make so much sense is that they are fundamentally atheistic. There is no real supreme authority'',
is a little off base. For Buddhism its true, as Buddha had the specific motive of teaching the intellectual about dharma. He therefore focuses on the impersonal aspect of the Absolute Truth and thus attracts the minds of the atheists. In fact, 'Buddha' comes fromt he root buddhi which means 'intelligence'. Buddha had extraordinary powers of intelligence and practically single-handedly converted the whole India to Buddhism.
As for Hindiusm, one needs to dig a little deeper. There is the school of Shankaracharya (Adi Shankara). He was an even more impressive man than Buddha, and his life makes for spectacular reading and philosophical discussion. Shankara taught monism - something similar to the Buddha's teachings. He was a supreme Sanskrit scholar and had a perfect memory. He also appeals to the intellectually inclined, but importantly his conclusions are not wholly seperate from what is taught in Bhakti Yoga.
Bhakti Yoga is very interesting. The most incredible part is that the basic tenents of this branch of philosophy mirrors the teachings of Jesus EXACTLY. In fact, my money would be on Jesus being schooled in this philosophy whilst he was in India (come on you've all heard it). The focus in Bhakti Yoga is devotional service to God in His personal form. One might kick and scream at the idea, but let's consider:
Where does form come from? Where does personality come from? Are these simply by-products of a complex nature, or are they also found within the Source? Difficult questions indeed.
In the Vedic process then, one may follow whatever branch on prefers, AND IF it is followed properly (not a trivial matter), then one will eventually see that all rivers end in the ocean - no doubt an appealing thought to those who are bombarded by the sectarian doctrines of today.
You make some more points; meditation, consciousness etc and I mostly concur. I like the attitude you write with - a little fed up with all the crap people are shoving in your face. One who blames you for this is a fanatic and not worth your time. There is an endless amount of nonsense in this world, and it is SO hard to see what's true and what's not - the only solution would then be inquisitiveness and skeptic.
The real question is whether you will persue whatever is presented to you by the will of providence (I love that saying 
) with sincerety , or whether you will simply revert back to satisfying your senses and ignoring the real self.
God, I sound like a hippy
| Runa216 said: I want to say, this is NOT a troll thread, I'm not looking to piss people off nor am I demanding perfection of the imperfect. I am, however, looking for some answers. Religion is a huge part of modern culture, there's no denying this. People go to church, say "god bless you", and generally seem to be okay with believing in it and accept it at face value. But a lot of this is a pervasive remnant of a culture that should have died 60 years ago. We are living in an age of enlightenment, where more and more of the universe is being discovered and Science is contributing to this world more and more, so it's less and less rational to believe in something like God. In a world where we need absolute, undeniable proof of something before we believe it (pics or it didn't happen, not to mention many people are actively resisting Stem Cell research because much of the limited research so far has been largely inconclusive), it's a very biased attitude to be fine with having faith in god without that same demand for proof. so I submit that, if people the world over want to continue to not only run their lives based off an archaic belief system but control the rest of the people by pushing those views, I propose we demand empirical evidence of god. Any God. And no, "you can't prove that God exists, this isn't fair" isn't an adequate response. Being okay with having faith or twisting logic so that "it's all a test" is not good enough, if Religion is to persist in the modern world it should be subject to the same criticism and rigorous testing the rest of our lives demand. Religion should not be given a free pass simply because it's been a part of our social collective for so long, without progress we stagnate, so if you're going to cling to those beliefs without proof, then at least try to substantiate it. So go, offer proof. Hell, even rational theories will do, I honestly want to hear them, but expect skepticism. |
Well I have no intention of trying to fit a cohesive rational proof for the existence of God within the confines of a forum post. So instead I will direct your attention to a book which puts forward a cogent and rational proof for the existence of God.
'Logic and Logos' by William S. Hatcher http://www.amazon.com/Logic-Logos-William-S-Hatcher/dp/0853982988/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1314870176&sr=1-2
Have a read of that, then we can talk some more. If you're truly interested in wanting to know how people can believe in a supreme being you can't detect with your 5 senses, and are honest about not trolling, you'll take the time to read the theological musings of a Mathematics Professor.
“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace."
Jimi Hendrix
the proof is you .. saying that iam wrong is like telling people that no one creat for example the cars ?! , its like saying cars exist by itself.
if you can prove that no one creat you then prove for me that no one creat the cars too !
more than 1 million creatures with diffrent shapes and you tell me its a coincidence !
think man.
richardhutnik said:
Decent rule of thumb. A starting point of that is in the personal journey, you also realize you are one of the idiots on forums who posts one's own strong opinions about this and that. The you there is a case of "for anyone for whom the shoe fits, and if you don't believe it fits, it also confirm that the idiots on forums comment... unless one doesn't actually posts on forums". |
I would take your insult more seriously if you could write English properly.
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