theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
theprof00 said:
well, I doubt that, because charities are scams. Charities are just ways to make people feel good about themselves. What they really should do is combine their money and hire fifty thousand people to build a national railway.
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Then when it's done forty five thousand people are out of jobs?
You can believe what you want, but even the staunchest liberal doesn't usually try and argue government is more efficent then charity.
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Explain to me how giving money for nothing is better than giving money for something. Oh and I never said anything about government. I said instead of giving to charity, the rich people should instead band together and make a national railway system.
Oh, and it's not 45 thousand people out of jobs....it's 45 thousand newly skilled workers out of jobs, who are now qualified to do similar work. It's both school and employment.
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Sure. Giving money for nothing is better for quite a few reasons in this case
A) Number of people helped. It can help more people since there are less costs.
B) It's much more immediaite. What, do you think people can just throw down some money and build stuff in this country, you've got to get your initital plan agreed to by ALL the states involved and the federal level, THEN you need to pay for studies on every single part of the land that track is going to go through to make sure there are no negative enviromental things, you've got to pay for all kinds of permits, and all kinds of other shit I can't even think of because I don't build high speed railways for a living.
What I can tell you is they started the work to build a highspeed rail from Los Vegas to Los Angeles like... 4-6 years ago, and still haven't broken ground. on.
Now imagine that off 10 states? Yeesh. I hope we'll be out this economic downturn by 2024 or whenever they'd be able to put shovels in the ground. Maybe they'd be "lucky" and start just in time to counteract the next downturn.
C) Giving money "for free" would allow people to train for jobs in demand... and those jobs could be tailored to individual communties and what's needed within them. Rather then training people for consturction jobs, right after the largest construction crunch in the nations history where there are tons of out of work construction workers.
D) Cost going foward. A national high speed rail honestly probably wouldn't be that popular and would probably be a net negative when it comes to money. If it's not going to be like the Subway or public bus systems and be privately run that means it's going to need more charity money. Which means an annual cost that can no longer be spent on charity and spent subsizing a system that doesn't work. AKA, wasting resources supporting things in which there is little demand and therefore little economic value.
E) Cost in the present. The actual construction costs of the High speed rail from Cali to Vegas is expected to aproximitly 5 Billion. That's quite a chunk a change even for a well coordinated group of rich people. Then if they run overbudget... then what?
Those are just a few of the reasons why it'd be a bad idea.