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superchunk said:
vlad321 said:


Very true indeed. But nonetheless, about 2 years after a new console generation comes out, you can get more bang for you buck from a PC.

Also the $10 is very much true. I can count the number of games that cost $60 on my fingers.As I already said, I have saved myself $300 or more just by buying PC games and not console ones. I can literally buy myself a new console with the money I have saved on games. Then we can get into new controllers and stuff and the picture gets grimmer for consoles. However if you want to go into deals, then I play my Steam Sales card and tell you right off the bat I get around 20 games for $50 (most of them good too), and automatically win. Ultimately, you save more than you waste on a PC if you make a cheaper one.

As for upgrades, I have not upgraded my GPU in over 3 years (well, I got a new one last summer but before that I had a 4 year old GPU), so there, I disproved your entire point. You really just need 1 machine per console cycle, build one about 2-3 years after it starts and then you can point and laugh at people still using the underpowered hardware of consoles. Also, if you are trying to insinuiate hardware failure rate in there as well, I suggest you look at the laughable hardware failures of this gen, and how much worse they are than just regular PCs.

So let's put some real numbers here.

Every 6 or so years I build a new PC for about $800 (in 2008, not including monitor/tv). That PC is usually med-high end for a mainstream computer.

Every 6 or so years I buy a new console. That's always $400 for a console, game, and 2nd controller. (Wii (2007) and PS3(2010) each were way under $400 when I bought them)

3 years into my 2008 build PC, I am forced to upgrade the GPU to play the latest game(s), BF3, OR I can play it on my PS3 for just the game's cost.

http://www.amazon.com/Battlefield-3-Limited-Xbox-360/dp/B003O6G5TW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314666492&sr=8-1

Also, if you notice its the same price on any platform... $59... and I've seen many others where the cost is the same as PS360.

I've only bought one game for more than $40... Zelda Twilight Princess. Everything else was on sale or from Ebay. More than half of all my games I've resold on Ebay for at least 60% of what I originally paid for it (net differences).

Had I done the same on PC I would have spent $1000 on hardware alone vs about $800 and probably more on games as many of them could not of been resold. Additionally, I would have missed all of the Nintendo IPs and no local multiplayer options. However, I would of had arguably better graphics and in some games better online multiplayer options. Plus, a few games like Civ5 that are not on consoles.

Now, staggering my PC purchase like you suggest still would of had me spending at least equal to the TWO consoles in hardware costs and the same comparable difference in games.

What's being neglected is the fact that we CAN build our own computers and feel comfortable doing so. The mass consumer is not us. My wife took multiple explanations on how to just start a damn movie on the PS3 let alone figuring out how to maximise her value by building a PC and then installing the best software for similar features.

All in all... I think that if you run the numbers for the most common case... console ownership will always be cheaper and simplier than PCs if strictly looking at gaming. Of course once you add in all the other functionality of a PC, then you are really making up the additional cost. Plus, simple note to the above is regardless of the agreement or disagreement to my argument... I still bought all that (consoles and PC) anyways. :/

I am finding it hard to believe that a med to high $800 PC from 2008 can't play BF3 at all. Obviously it will be on low, but it should run it.

Second, I did say that there are some games, but I also said I can count them on my fingers. Right off the bat, I can just think of BF3 and SC2. I'm sure there's more somewhere. But if you want to cherry pick, let's look at the new Deus Ex. Let's not go into what things you "could have missed" because if I start on the sheer number of things you CAN do on a PC (unlike a playstation, it really DOES do everything, even power a fridge if you want it to). Even if you jsut look at gaming, the PC just has far more options, thus features.

I also never resell any game, and rarely buy any game at full price myself, and I still have ended up saving enough money to buy a full console. As a simple example, I think I have 214 games on Steam right now. I started getting things for it in late 2007. I have not spent more than $1000 on that account. I think it averages out to a little bit under $5 a game (this does include big purchases as well). Yes, some of them are not supposed to be full priced, but I wonder if I can pull that off with just LIVE/PSN.

Finally, I do have to point out that making a PC in this day and age is like playing with legos and is NOTHING compared to what it used to be a decade and a half ago in '95.

Edit: Holy fuck, a decade ago was 2001 and not '95?



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"Xbox 360 can't handle Metal Gear Solid 4!"

I was on some site (either amazon or gamestop) trying to decide which version of the MGS collection I was going to grab this holiday seaon, PS3 or 360 (for the record, I'm going PS3 since I already have MGS4 on PS3. I don't like to divide a series between platforms.  I'm getting Batman AA for the PS3 for exactly the same reason.).  Some guy said he was glad that it was coming to the 360 and he wished that MGS1 and MGS4 were part of the collection.  Some guy was like "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!  360 can't run MGS4 unless it were ten discs and the 360 doesn't have a strong enough processor and Blu Ray and whatever".  I'm stunned that people still believe that in this day and age.



Very good thread D21lewis!  I agree with pretty much all of those and my mom tries to use the "videogames are for kids" one on me ALL the time. I hope one day she will become enlightened.



Im sorry if posted already.....But I really dis-like it when people try to generalize you as being childish just because you love to play games.

IM NOT IMMATURE DAMNIT!!

 

 



How about the myth of xenoblade chronicles? eh, am I right eh eh??



           

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vlad321 said:
Biggest one I can think of: PC Gaming is expensive.


Umm having tried to do PC gaming for a few years and not being able to do so financially. I'd say that PC gaming is expensive. In fact I spent almost two grand in like two years trying to keep my PC capable of playing the latest games (Back in the early millennium) but then turned to consoles I could afford all three at a cheaper cost then it cost to upgrade my PC. Guess what I haven't spent much since , all three consoles give me more then enough games. More games then that 1,000 a year computer ever could. Now I hear PC gaming has gotten much cheaper however I went to the store and tried buying a gaming laptop that could play Crysis2, StarCraft2 and ShogunTotalWar2 and I was told I could go with a 800$ one, however further questioning revealed that I would probably suffer lag and such and if I really wanted to experience the games at their best it would cost about 1,200$ for a good gaming laptop. Even that 1,200$ one isn't state of the art look at Alien Ware's gaming laptops you want one state of the art that will be playing games a year or two from now and your talking way over 1,000$.

Now I was also told a 500$ laptop would probably be able to play a lot of games very laggy and such but they would be playable. But honestly I could buy a new PS3 and a few games for cheaper. The PS3 would give me nearly state of the art graphics and a lot more games to choose from.

PC gaming is just plain expensive. For somebody who makes only 500$ a month after rent and about 300$ after bills. I really don't have 1,200$ to spend on a high end gaming laptop or the 500$ to spend on a low end laptop that probably won't be able to play the games I want as good as I want!



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"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer

 

Myth - American Developers are much more creative than Japanese developers.

Reality: Call of Duty 1 and Call of Duty 9 (or whatever they're on) vs. Super Mario Bros 1 and Super Mario Galaxy.
The Sims vs The Sims 3 vs Final Fantasy 1 and Final Fantasy 13

In fact, Blizzard is about the only developer in North America who has really taken a franchise (Warcraft) and successfully evolved it into something different and successful. Most Japanese gaming series have seen incredeible evolution over the years.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

Myth: Final Fantasy Versus XIII IS being developed



Jay520 said:
Myth: Final Fantasy Versus XIII IS being developed

Cheer up! , they're making PREPARATIONS to enter Full Production ... after FIVE YEARS , that's something, right ? :D



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