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d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
Biggest one I can think of: PC Gaming is expensive.


I still have that stigma burned into my brain from, like, 1995.  I can't get over it.  I know that I see PC games actually selling for less than their console counterparts and I see good PCs selling for $500 or so but I still have it in my head that I can't afford PC gaming.  I also have the idea that PC games crash all the time, that they can't run at decent specs on anything that I can afford, that their controls are overly complicated (even though there are tons of console style controllers available for them), and that they take forever to get running. 

It's like some sort of racist stereotype against PC gaming.  I know better but I still can't help myself.  I blame it on my parents.  They didn't want PC gamers to go to school with us "real gamers" or for PC gamers to have the right to vote, either.


I think you can arugue it is more expensive.

1) basic PC's always cost as much or significantly more to buy than a console.

2) games are insignificantly less expensive only part of the time.

3) PCs generally force you to at least buy a new graphics card every couple of years... when the games are not being made on consoles first. (i.e. BF3)

I think if you were strictly a PC gamer for all your games, you'd probably spend more money in a "generation" that you would as a strictly console gamer.

Additionally the complexity is there as well. You have to know how to install new GPU or memory. You have to know how to sync a new control pad (granted some are plug in play now) and that first controller doesn't come with the system either (referring to initial costs).

But, then again regarding Xbox to PC... online is always free including leaderboards, forums, etc.



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@Superchunk, reading your post about PC's has scared me away from PC's to the point where I don't even think I'll use a PC to post on VGChartz anymore!!



trasharmdsister12 said:
d21lewis said:
trasharmdsister12 said:
d21lewis said:
trasharmdsister12 said:
Is this going to be another one of those threads where you reply to each and every post d21?

Maybe just 75%, this time......

Really? Even this one?


Quite possibly.

Interesting... There's no way you'll reply to this one.


Apparently, you've fallen for the biggest myth of them all--that I have self respect.   Of course, since I don't want to get banned for spamming (and I don't want to be a liar--75% is my limit!), I'll have to summon the strength to resist replying if I am somehow quoted again.  Lord, give me strength.....



The stupidest myth; video games causes violence.

Wrong. Its just a lame excuse for stupid parents that cant accept that they couldnt raise a good child.



vlad321 said:
d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
Biggest one I can think of: PC Gaming is expensive.


I still have that stigma burned into my brain from, like, 1995.  I can't get over it.  I know that I see PC games actually selling for less than their console counterparts and I see good PCs selling for $500 or so but I still have it in my head that I can't afford PC gaming.  I also have the idea that PC games crash all the time, that they can't run at decent specs on anything that I can afford, that their controls are overly complicated (even though there are tons of console style controllers available for them), and that they take forever to get running. 

It's like some sort of racist stereotype against PC gaming.  I know better but I still can't help myself.  I blame it on my parents.  They didn't want PC gamers to go to school with us "real gamers" or for PC gamers to have the right to vote, either.

I have a dream....

I blame it on those pc gamers who say PC games shits over consoles  and reel off stats about the PC they built  when most PC's  sold are laptops,and then they get seen as elitist's who have the time and money ,instead they should say were all gamers, look try PC gaming it's cheaper than you think the scalability is great building your own PC is really quite easy and the aforementioned laptops have come a long way it will be a great addition to your other gaming.



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superchunk said:
d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
Biggest one I can think of: PC Gaming is expensive.


I still have that stigma burned into my brain from, like, 1995.  I can't get over it.  I know that I see PC games actually selling for less than their console counterparts and I see good PCs selling for $500 or so but I still have it in my head that I can't afford PC gaming.  I also have the idea that PC games crash all the time, that they can't run at decent specs on anything that I can afford, that their controls are overly complicated (even though there are tons of console style controllers available for them), and that they take forever to get running. 

It's like some sort of racist stereotype against PC gaming.  I know better but I still can't help myself.  I blame it on my parents.  They didn't want PC gamers to go to school with us "real gamers" or for PC gamers to have the right to vote, either.


I think you can arugue it is more expensive.

1) basic PC's always cost as much or significantly more to buy than a console.

2) games are insignificantly less expensive only part of the time.

3) PCs generally force you to at least buy a new graphics card every couple of years... when the games are not being made on consoles first. (i.e. BF3)

I think if you were strictly a PC gamer for all your games, you'd probably spend more money in a "generation" that you would as a strictly console gamer.

Additionally the complexity is there as well. You have to know how to install new GPU or memory. You have to know how to sync a new control pad (granted some are plug in play now) and that first controller doesn't come with the system either (referring to initial costs).

But, then again regarding Xbox to PC... online is always free including leaderboards, forums, etc.


People spent $600 for a console 5 years ago (for that money you can make a PC that shits over both consoles)..... Furthermore $10 is not "insignificant" considereing that for every 5 games you can buy a new free one as compared to the consoles. Considering since over the last 5 years I have bought around.... 30? games, I have saved myself around $300 than if I was shelling out $60 for them. There is no way you can argue it's more expensive (I do hope you decide to add in a monitor to the cost, because I'd love to slap those expensive TVs to the cost of a console and comfortably say that consoles are expensive as compared to PCs).



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
superchunk said:
d21lewis said:
vlad321 said:
Biggest one I can think of: PC Gaming is expensive.


I still have that stigma burned into my brain from, like, 1995.  I can't get over it.  I know that I see PC games actually selling for less than their console counterparts and I see good PCs selling for $500 or so but I still have it in my head that I can't afford PC gaming.  I also have the idea that PC games crash all the time, that they can't run at decent specs on anything that I can afford, that their controls are overly complicated (even though there are tons of console style controllers available for them), and that they take forever to get running. 

It's like some sort of racist stereotype against PC gaming.  I know better but I still can't help myself.  I blame it on my parents.  They didn't want PC gamers to go to school with us "real gamers" or for PC gamers to have the right to vote, either.


I think you can arugue it is more expensive.

1) basic PC's always cost as much or significantly more to buy than a console.

2) games are insignificantly less expensive only part of the time.

3) PCs generally force you to at least buy a new graphics card every couple of years... when the games are not being made on consoles first. (i.e. BF3)

I think if you were strictly a PC gamer for all your games, you'd probably spend more money in a "generation" that you would as a strictly console gamer.

Additionally the complexity is there as well. You have to know how to install new GPU or memory. You have to know how to sync a new control pad (granted some are plug in play now) and that first controller doesn't come with the system either (referring to initial costs).

But, then again regarding Xbox to PC... online is always free including leaderboards, forums, etc.


People spent $600 for a console 5 years ago (for that money you can make a PC that shits over both consoles)..... Furthermore $10 is not "insignificant" considereing that for every 5 games you can buy a new free one as compared to the consoles. Considering since over the last 5 years I have bought around.... 30? games, I have saved myself around $300 than if I was shelling out $60 for them. There is no way you can argue it's more expensive (I do hope you decide to add in a monitor to the cost, because I'd love to slap those expensive TVs to the cost of a console and comfortably say that consoles are expensive as compared to PCs).

Currently consoles are 1/2 of a base computer. So price is always at best equal.... when a console first launches... then PCs are always more expensive. Are they more powerful, sure but they have different primary purposes too.

$10 reflective initial price is not always. Not all games are cheaper on PC out the gate. Some are equal. Then there's the used market which is very hard to do with PCs as their stuff has far more content protection than console games. Additionally, I have yet to pay more than $40 for any game and I always resale them as their resalability is always retained as there is no one use code for consoles.

As for the TV argument... well that's just stupid. Many PC gamers use the same TVs as monitors.

As for lifespans... you're crazy if you're going to tell me you've not upgraded your GPU in 3 years time. See that's the biggest difference. PC gaming almost requires to to spend a couple hundred every few years and then during a normal new gen cycle a whole new machine for at least a couple hundred over the cost of a new console.

Whatever you may save on full game cost (if you only buy new on launch), you easily eat up and then some on hardware costs.

Only real benefit is that its an actual computer and has a ton more capabilities and any home will usually own one anyways. But look at purely gaming use... consoles are simply cheaper and easier for the mass consumer.



superchunk said:
vlad321 said:


People spent $600 for a console 5 years ago (for that money you can make a PC that shits over both consoles)..... Furthermore $10 is not "insignificant" considereing that for every 5 games you can buy a new free one as compared to the consoles. Considering since over the last 5 years I have bought around.... 30? games, I have saved myself around $300 than if I was shelling out $60 for them. There is no way you can argue it's more expensive (I do hope you decide to add in a monitor to the cost, because I'd love to slap those expensive TVs to the cost of a console and comfortably say that consoles are expensive as compared to PCs).

Currently consoles are 1/2 of a base computer. So price is always at best equal.... when a console first launches... then PCs are always more expensive. Are they more powerful, sure but they have different primary purposes too.

$10 reflective initial price is not always. Not all games are cheaper on PC out the gate. Some are equal. Then there's the used market which is very hard to do with PCs as their stuff has far more content protection than console games. Additionally, I have yet to pay more than $40 for any game and I always resale them as their resalability is always retained as there is no one use code for consoles.

As for the TV argument... well that's just stupid. Many PC gamers use the same TVs as monitors.

As for lifespans... you're crazy if you're going to tell me you've not upgraded your GPU in 3 years time. See that's the biggest difference. PC gaming almost requires to to spend a couple hundred every few years and then during a normal new gen cycle a whole new machine for at least a couple hundred over the cost of a new console.

Whatever you may save on full game cost (if you only buy new on launch), you easily eat up and then some on hardware costs.

Only real benefit is that its an actual computer and has a ton more capabilities and any home will usually own one anyways. But look at purely gaming use... consoles are simply cheaper and easier for the mass consumer.


Very true indeed. But nonetheless, about 2 years after a new console generation comes out, you can get more bang for you buck from a PC.

Also the $10 is very much true. I can count the number of games that cost $60 on my fingers.As I already said, I have saved myself $300 or more just by buying PC games and not console ones. I can literally buy myself a new console with the money I have saved on games. Then we can get into new controllers and stuff and the picture gets grimmer for consoles. However if you want to go into deals, then I play my Steam Sales card and tell you right off the bat I get around 20 games for $50 (most of them good too), and automatically win. Ultimately, you save more than you waste on a PC if you make a cheaper one.

As for upgrades, I have not upgraded my GPU in over 3 years (well, I got a new one last summer but before that I had a 4 year old GPU), so there, I disproved your entire point. You really just need 1 machine per console cycle, build one about 2-3 years after it starts and then you can point and laugh at people still using the underpowered hardware of consoles. Also, if you are trying to insinuiate hardware failure rate in there as well, I suggest you look at the laughable hardware failures of this gen, and how much worse they are than just regular PCs.



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HD vs Wii, PC vs HD: http://www.vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=93374

Why Regenerating Health is a crap game mechanic: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=3986420

gamrReview's broken review scores: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=4170835

 

vlad321 said:
superchunk said:
vlad321 said:


People spent $600 for a console 5 years ago (for that money you can make a PC that shits over both consoles)..... Furthermore $10 is not "insignificant" considereing that for every 5 games you can buy a new free one as compared to the consoles. Considering since over the last 5 years I have bought around.... 30? games, I have saved myself around $300 than if I was shelling out $60 for them. There is no way you can argue it's more expensive (I do hope you decide to add in a monitor to the cost, because I'd love to slap those expensive TVs to the cost of a console and comfortably say that consoles are expensive as compared to PCs).

Currently consoles are 1/2 of a base computer. So price is always at best equal.... when a console first launches... then PCs are always more expensive. Are they more powerful, sure but they have different primary purposes too.

$10 reflective initial price is not always. Not all games are cheaper on PC out the gate. Some are equal. Then there's the used market which is very hard to do with PCs as their stuff has far more content protection than console games. Additionally, I have yet to pay more than $40 for any game and I always resale them as their resalability is always retained as there is no one use code for consoles.

As for the TV argument... well that's just stupid. Many PC gamers use the same TVs as monitors.

As for lifespans... you're crazy if you're going to tell me you've not upgraded your GPU in 3 years time. See that's the biggest difference. PC gaming almost requires to to spend a couple hundred every few years and then during a normal new gen cycle a whole new machine for at least a couple hundred over the cost of a new console.

Whatever you may save on full game cost (if you only buy new on launch), you easily eat up and then some on hardware costs.

Only real benefit is that its an actual computer and has a ton more capabilities and any home will usually own one anyways. But look at purely gaming use... consoles are simply cheaper and easier for the mass consumer.


Very true indeed. But nonetheless, about 2 years after a new console generation comes out, you can get more bang for you buck from a PC.

Also the $10 is very much true. I can count the number of games that cost $60 on my fingers.As I already said, I have saved myself $300 or more just by buying PC games and not console ones. I can literally buy myself a new console with the money I have saved on games. Then we can get into new controllers and stuff and the picture gets grimmer for consoles. However if you want to go into deals, then I play my Steam Sales card and tell you right off the bat I get around 20 games for $50 (most of them good too), and automatically win. Ultimately, you save more than you waste on a PC if you make a cheaper one.

As for upgrades, I have not upgraded my GPU in over 3 years (well, I got a new one last summer but before that I had a 4 year old GPU), so there, I disproved your entire point. You really just need 1 machine per console cycle, build one about 2-3 years after it starts and then you can point and laugh at people still using the underpowered hardware of consoles. Also, if you are trying to insinuiate hardware failure rate in there as well, I suggest you look at the laughable hardware failures of this gen, and how much worse they are than just regular PCs.

So let's put some real numbers here.

Every 6 or so years I build a new PC for about $800 (in 2008, not including monitor/tv). That PC is usually med-high end for a mainstream computer.

Every 6 or so years I buy a new console. That's always $400 for a console, game, and 2nd controller. (Wii (2007) and PS3(2010) each were way under $400 when I bought them)

3 years into my 2008 build PC, I am forced to upgrade the GPU to play the latest game(s), BF3, OR I can play it on my PS3 for just the game's cost.

http://www.amazon.com/Battlefield-3-Limited-Xbox-360/dp/B003O6G5TW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314666492&sr=8-1

Also, if you notice its the same price on any platform... $59... and I've seen many others where the cost is the same as PS360.

I've only bought one game for more than $40... Zelda Twilight Princess. Everything else was on sale or from Ebay. More than half of all my games I've resold on Ebay for at least 60% of what I originally paid for it (net differences).

Had I done the same on PC I would have spent $1000 on hardware alone vs about $800 and probably more on games as many of them could not of been resold. Additionally, I would have missed all of the Nintendo IPs and no local multiplayer options. However, I would of had arguably better graphics and in some games better online multiplayer options. Plus, a few games like Civ5 that are not on consoles.

Now, staggering my PC purchase like you suggest still would of had me spending at least equal to the TWO consoles in hardware costs and the same comparable difference in games.

What's being neglected is the fact that we CAN build our own computers and feel comfortable doing so. The mass consumer is not us. My wife took multiple explanations on how to just start a damn movie on the PS3 let alone figuring out how to maximise her value by building a PC and then installing the best software for similar features.

All in all... I think that if you run the numbers for the most common case... console ownership will always be cheaper and simplier than PCs if strictly looking at gaming. Of course once you add in all the other functionality of a PC, then you are really making up the additional cost. Plus, simple note to the above is regardless of the agreement or disagreement to my argument... I still bought all that (consoles and PC) anyways. :/



V-r0cK said:
The stupidest myth; video games causes violence.

Wrong. Its just a lame excuse for stupid parents that cant accept that they couldnt raise a good child.

i'm surprised nobody has came out with this one yet, I think it's the most important misconception about gaming.

Anyway, I OBJECT!

-Nintendo only produces underpowered hardware:

While Nintendo doesn't produce underpowered hardware all the time, as of recently, they have. Both the Wii and even the DS are significantly underpowered. You didn't include DS on the list because it was technically impressive when it first came out, this only lasted a year before the PSP release and made the Nintendo DS look closer to last generation graphics than current gen.

-The 3DS has weak hardware:

The same concept about the DS applies, while it is impressive at the moment and better than any other handheld console on the market, when the PS Vita releases, you will realise how "last generation" the graphics are. While I have only played the 3DS in a game shop, when it comes to processing speeds and hardware specs, the 3DS is extremely underpowered, the step up in power is similar to that of the Wii. Luckily, the small screen and the 3D mode creates an "illusion" that makes the graphics look better.

As for other misconceptions...

-The Blu-Ray drive in the PS3 has an impact on graphics:

This isn't believed by many people on VGChartz, but on many other websites (especially Youtube), I see PS3 fanboys talk about Blu-Ray as if it has a huge impact on graphics and is the reason why games like Killzone 3 and Uncharted 2 look so good. The only remote impact it will have on graphics is the fact that you have more space to store uncompressed textures and use pre-rendered video.

-Any game which isn't rated "M" is childish:

This is one which irritated me a lot, people who label games like Sonic, LittleBigPlanet, Mario and similar games as "childish". Some people avoid these games simply because they don't have guns and gore, without even taking into consideration whether the game is good or not. Most of these "gamers" don't even know that some of THESE games are the reason why THEIR games exist today.