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Reasonable on 28 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
CGI-Quality said:

PS3 did 2k short of what I expected (180k). Not bad, I think it may stretch to 195-200k next week, but not much more. This cut won't have anywhere near the effect the 2009 cut had (although it wasn't in a position where it needed that anyway, considering it's been winning week after week since the start of the year).

It's November & December where I think we'll see the cut's true effect. The 3DS looks good too, although I wonder how long this cut's effect will sustain.

Do you think it's enough for PS3 to break 2010 sales, or even 2009? Sony says they expect 15 million for thier fiscal year, but with this small of a boost, I don't see PS3 annual sales for 2011 breaking 13 million.

I don't know about 15 million but I wouldn't try and extrapolate too much from the initial boost.  It's a real quiet time of the year and therefore any cut was simply going to get the minimal spike without any big new SW.  The price cut seemed timed to me to get PS3 ready to be more attractive during the glut of games releasing through September and up to the big December spike.  We won't really know how well the PS3 price cut worked until January 2012 TBH.

It's pretty obvious from current comments that MS is probably not going to officially cut the RRP but will use bundles and other promotional offers to essentially offer a price cut from the consumer perspective (consumers seeing a promotion and a price cut as equally attractive, in fact often promotions are seen as more attractive for a short period) and counter the PS3 price cut without having to formally annouce an ongoing permenant price reduction.

Going to be an interesting close to 2011 from a sales perspective, with each HD platform releasing big exclusives plus a lot of big multi-games as well with the hardware cheaper than ever whether due to promotions or price cuts.

Well we will still see if the PS3 bost mimics the Wii boost in a couple weeks time. Predicting what will happen during the holidays, it's still far too soon. However we can still track PS3's progress during the next few weeks, and if it falls below 2010 weekly sales, I think it's somewhat safe to expect 2011 annual sales to be lower then 2010 (if holiday sales are equal, the slightly lower sales pre-price cut will make 2011 overall less).

As for MS, do uyu really think they won't cut the price of 360? They will at least cut Kinects price if you ask me, and MS also plans 15 million for their fiscal year (ending June 2012), so they must be planning something. I'm thinking they are timing the price cut to go along a more major release, or maybe they are making a Kinect integrated console. They must be planing something otherwise 15 million is a dream.


As I said I think MS will use bundles, deals, promotions, etc. to effectively cut the price of a 360 without having to officially lower the RRP.  They seem to be bullish about their numbers which I suspect means they have backup "buy the market" deals ready to execute if they need to.  Of course Sony know as well as MS how to operate "buy the market" deals and may mix some big deals in with the price cut during the holiday ramp up period.

As for the PS3 price cut is it seems to me to clearly be a preparatory price cut - made in advance of when it's expected to have its major effects.  Therefore I wouldn't read too much into how it mimics the Wii at the moment.  I'm not anyway.  I don't think we'll really see its effects until later in the year when the big releases start hitting then into the holiday period.



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Michael-5 on 28 August 2011
pezus said:
Michael-5 said:

Probably, but I doubt an old game would receive a major software boost simply because of a hardware price cut. Max 20k weekly, and it would be temporary.

BTW what's with the growth during week 25? Adjustment?

GT5=old? Hmm...it's been out for less than a year. 

I consider anything over 6 months old, old, because sales have long since stablized, and it's pretty easy to find a copy of the game at a discounted price at this point.



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Michael-5 on 28 August 2011
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
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I don't know about 15 million but I wouldn't try and extrapolate too much from the initial boost.  It's a real quiet time of the year and therefore any cut was simply going to get the minimal spike without any big new SW.  The price cut seemed timed to me to get PS3 ready to be more attractive during the glut of games releasing through September and up to the big December spike.  We won't really know how well the PS3 price cut worked until January 2012 TBH.

It's pretty obvious from current comments that MS is probably not going to officially cut the RRP but will use bundles and other promotional offers to essentially offer a price cut from the consumer perspective (consumers seeing a promotion and a price cut as equally attractive, in fact often promotions are seen as more attractive for a short period) and counter the PS3 price cut without having to formally annouce an ongoing permenant price reduction.

Going to be an interesting close to 2011 from a sales perspective, with each HD platform releasing big exclusives plus a lot of big multi-games as well with the hardware cheaper than ever whether due to promotions or price cuts.

Well we will still see if the PS3 bost mimics the Wii boost in a couple weeks time. Predicting what will happen during the holidays, it's still far too soon. However we can still track PS3's progress during the next few weeks, and if it falls below 2010 weekly sales, I think it's somewhat safe to expect 2011 annual sales to be lower then 2010 (if holiday sales are equal, the slightly lower sales pre-price cut will make 2011 overall less).

As for MS, do uyu really think they won't cut the price of 360? They will at least cut Kinects price if you ask me, and MS also plans 15 million for their fiscal year (ending June 2012), so they must be planning something. I'm thinking they are timing the price cut to go along a more major release, or maybe they are making a Kinect integrated console. They must be planing something otherwise 15 million is a dream.


As I said I think MS will use bundles, deals, promotions, etc. to effectively cut the price of a 360 without having to officially lower the RRP.  They seem to be bullish about their numbers which I suspect means they have backup "buy the market" deals ready to execute if they need to.  Of course Sony know as well as MS how to operate "buy the market" deals and may mix some big deals in with the price cut during the holiday ramp up period.

As for the PS3 price cut is it seems to me to clearly be a preparatory price cut - made in advance of when it's expected to have its major effects.  Therefore I wouldn't read too much into how it mimics the Wii at the moment.  I'm not anyway.  I don't think we'll really see its effects until later in the year when the big releases start hitting then into the holiday period.

I agree, but for the next month PS3's sales spike may mimic the Wii's. That's all I'm saying.

For fall I don't think mega game bundles will be enough for MS. All these bundles have digital games and a 4GB 360 can't hold that many games (if any, never downloaded one). I mean I expect some Forza/Kinect or Dance Central/Kinect Bundles, but MS needs to lower their price.

Honestly I'm expecting MS to bring out a $179 4GB (or maybe more memory) 360 Kinect bundle, as well as a $279 320GB 360 Kinect Bundle, and bring down the price of a stand alone Kinect to $119 at least.

Let's see what happens though, right now I just can't amagine MS making 15 million without something drastic. Even the price cut on PS3 won't be enough to make 15m for PS3. I also wonder howbig Wii will be this fall.



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Zlejedi on 29 August 2011
enditall727 said:
Carl2291 said:
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i really think ps3 could use a Tale's Of,Kingdom Heart's,Dragon Quest or another Final Fantasy in Japan

atleast it will see 2 of those


Japan? PS3 just actually needs games releasing. It's done quite well to stay at the level it has recently.

Monster Hunter released on the 25th. Tales is releasing on the 8th September. Ni No Kuni is releasing November 17th. Final Fantasy XIII-2 is releasing in December.

Should be a big few Months in Japan for PS3. I probably missed out a few big games too.

Edit:
EMEAA Software is beyond terrible. I hope it's undertracked, because those are some really, really bad numbers.


i think ps3 could do better if their were jrpg's getting released for it similar to last gen. I know Xillia will give it a big boost aswell as FF13-2 but if it had a consistant amount of BIG Name Jrpg's coming more often i think it's weekly japan sale's would settle at around 50k each week

but the thing is all the rpg dev's from last gen jumped straight on to the psp and ds and the 1's that did actually hit ps3 alway's got snatched up by microsoft with the 1 year exclusive deal basically hampering any consistant sales numbers ps3 potentially could have settled at

the only 1 they got to take in this whole gen in Japan was Final Fantasy 13 and the next 1 will be Tale's Of Xillia

Yeah Sony really dropped the ball on jRPGs this generation. Altrough they never were powerhouse in this genre making only WKC is nowhere near enough.



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Metallicube on 29 August 2011

Interesting to see a Nitendo dominated top ten when Wii and DS sales are only performing decently/mediocre. Guess there's just not much else going on gamewise right now, but that will obviously change soon in a big way with Gears 3, MW3, Skyrim, Zelda, etc.. Nice to see 3DS get a nice boost, but it remains to be seen if it'll be short lived or not.



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Alby_da_Wolf on 29 August 2011
Metallicube said:

Interesting to see a Nitendo dominated top ten when Wii and DS sales are only performing decently/mediocre. Guess there's just not much else going on gamewise right now, but that will obviously change soon in a big way with Gears 3, MW3, Skyrim, Zelda, etc.. Nice to see 3DS get a nice boost, but it remains to be seen if it'll be short lived or not.

Who knows, maybe the new price and being perceived by many as just another DS model could actually save it!   



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Zlejedi on 29 August 2011
Blood_Tears said:
bullza90 said:
Terrible for PS3, if it doesnt increase next week itll have been a disaster.


A PS3 disaster?   - Like biblical proportions, Old Testament, real wrath of God type stuff, Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes. The dead rising from the grave! Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


Yeah it will be a disaster then shipment numbers will come and mysteriously Sony will as always overship and post numbers higher than all competitors.

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Reasonable on 29 August 2011
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
 

I don't know about 15 million but I wouldn't try and extrapolate too much from the initial boost.  It's a real quiet time of the year and therefore any cut was simply going to get the minimal spike without any big new SW.  The price cut seemed timed to me to get PS3 ready to be more attractive during the glut of games releasing through September and up to the big December spike.  We won't really know how well the PS3 price cut worked until January 2012 TBH.

It's pretty obvious from current comments that MS is probably not going to officially cut the RRP but will use bundles and other promotional offers to essentially offer a price cut from the consumer perspective (consumers seeing a promotion and a price cut as equally attractive, in fact often promotions are seen as more attractive for a short period) and counter the PS3 price cut without having to formally annouce an ongoing permenant price reduction.

Going to be an interesting close to 2011 from a sales perspective, with each HD platform releasing big exclusives plus a lot of big multi-games as well with the hardware cheaper than ever whether due to promotions or price cuts.

Well we will still see if the PS3 bost mimics the Wii boost in a couple weeks time. Predicting what will happen during the holidays, it's still far too soon. However we can still track PS3's progress during the next few weeks, and if it falls below 2010 weekly sales, I think it's somewhat safe to expect 2011 annual sales to be lower then 2010 (if holiday sales are equal, the slightly lower sales pre-price cut will make 2011 overall less).

As for MS, do uyu really think they won't cut the price of 360? They will at least cut Kinects price if you ask me, and MS also plans 15 million for their fiscal year (ending June 2012), so they must be planning something. I'm thinking they are timing the price cut to go along a more major release, or maybe they are making a Kinect integrated console. They must be planing something otherwise 15 million is a dream.


As I said I think MS will use bundles, deals, promotions, etc. to effectively cut the price of a 360 without having to officially lower the RRP.  They seem to be bullish about their numbers which I suspect means they have backup "buy the market" deals ready to execute if they need to.  Of course Sony know as well as MS how to operate "buy the market" deals and may mix some big deals in with the price cut during the holiday ramp up period.

As for the PS3 price cut is it seems to me to clearly be a preparatory price cut - made in advance of when it's expected to have its major effects.  Therefore I wouldn't read too much into how it mimics the Wii at the moment.  I'm not anyway.  I don't think we'll really see its effects until later in the year when the big releases start hitting then into the holiday period.

I agree, but for the next month PS3's sales spike may mimic the Wii's. That's all I'm saying.

For fall I don't think mega game bundles will be enough for MS. All these bundles have digital games and a 4GB 360 can't hold that many games (if any, never downloaded one). I mean I expect some Forza/Kinect or Dance Central/Kinect Bundles, but MS needs to lower their price.

Honestly I'm expecting MS to bring out a $179 4GB (or maybe more memory) 360 Kinect bundle, as well as a $279 320GB 360 Kinect Bundle, and bring down the price of a stand alone Kinect to $119 at least.

Let's see what happens though, right now I just can't amagine MS making 15 million without something drastic. Even the price cut on PS3 won't be enough to make 15m for PS3. I also wonder howbig Wii will be this fall.

I think Wii might have one last surprise in terms of holiday spike left in it, but we'll see.  As for MS I think it depends on how aggresive they get with deals.  If they don't put together crazy cheap bundles or cut Kinect price (which I see as a peripheral seperate to 360 price) then a 360 price cut might indeed be needed.

I get you on short term comparison of PS3 to Wii, I'm just noting that in the bigger picture their trends and software patterns look to be different right now so I think they'll diverge again in profile petty soon when new titles start to release for PS3 (big ones obviously).



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Michael-5 on 29 August 2011
ethomaz said:

pezus said:

GT5=old? Hmm...it's been out for less than a year. 

People here don't understand GT5... it's more like Halo, CoD, Mario... strong legz games... not like normal games.

Yea, but even games with strong legs like Halo got over 80% of their sales within the first 6 months. GT5 has better legs then Halo, but so far they have been noticably weaker then past GT games. Forza 4 is coming out now, and the new holiday season is just about to begin. GT5 is old news, I feel very confident that I will win our bet.

Let's wait and see if the holiday season boosts GT5 sales by much, and if PD make an update which shows VGC has been undertracking it (and by how much).



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Michael-5 on 29 August 2011
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
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As I said I think MS will use bundles, deals, promotions, etc. to effectively cut the price of a 360 without having to officially lower the RRP.  They seem to be bullish about their numbers which I suspect means they have backup "buy the market" deals ready to execute if they need to.  Of course Sony know as well as MS how to operate "buy the market" deals and may mix some big deals in with the price cut during the holiday ramp up period.

As for the PS3 price cut is it seems to me to clearly be a preparatory price cut - made in advance of when it's expected to have its major effects.  Therefore I wouldn't read too much into how it mimics the Wii at the moment.  I'm not anyway.  I don't think we'll really see its effects until later in the year when the big releases start hitting then into the holiday period.

I agree, but for the next month PS3's sales spike may mimic the Wii's. That's all I'm saying.

For fall I don't think mega game bundles will be enough for MS. All these bundles have digital games and a 4GB 360 can't hold that many games (if any, never downloaded one). I mean I expect some Forza/Kinect or Dance Central/Kinect Bundles, but MS needs to lower their price.

Honestly I'm expecting MS to bring out a $179 4GB (or maybe more memory) 360 Kinect bundle, as well as a $279 320GB 360 Kinect Bundle, and bring down the price of a stand alone Kinect to $119 at least.

Let's see what happens though, right now I just can't amagine MS making 15 million without something drastic. Even the price cut on PS3 won't be enough to make 15m for PS3. I also wonder howbig Wii will be this fall.

I think Wii might have one last surprise in terms of holiday spike left in it, but we'll see.  As for MS I think it depends on how aggresive they get with deals.  If they don't put together crazy cheap bundles or cut Kinect price (which I see as a peripheral seperate to 360 price) then a 360 price cut might indeed be needed.

I get you on short term comparison of PS3 to Wii, I'm just noting that in the bigger picture their trends and software patterns look to be different right now so I think they'll diverge again in profile petty soon when new titles start to release for PS3 (big ones obviously).

I love debating with you, I just generally always agree. I agree Wii might have one last spike because Wii's sales pattern has mimicked PS2's since launch and this was PS2's last strong year. It was also a year for a small spike in sales, then annual sales dropped to 13 million, and it very slowly began to die after that. Wii will probably die quicker then PS2 due to a lack of software (sorry, but it's true), and with Kinect taking over some of the casual audience, but I think Wii will still have 1 last good year.

For MS, a Kinect Price cut is a must. It's hard to justify paying $300 for a Kinect console when Wii is $150.

As for PS3, yes in a month's time sales will rebound. Maybe not to 2009 or 2010 levels (Move boosted PS3 sales a lot last year), but sales will go up. November sales for PS3 may be stronger then 2010 November sales too. I agree, it's just not fair comparing boosts in sales for price cuts affecting two different consoles at two different times of the year. Of course Wii will drop off more quickly, a month after the price cut and it's the very dry summer, where PS3 has the fall boost.

My only point is that the price cut for PS3 will help about as well as the one for Wii did. Same short term affect, and both will help in November /December holiday sales too.



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