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What religion would you choose if you had to change?

Atheist/Agnostic/Pastafarian/Jedi 39 20.31%
 
Christianity 15 7.81%
 
Islam 25 13.02%
 
Judaism 8 4.17%
 
Hinduism 5 2.60%
 
Buddhism 66 34.38%
 
Scientology 1 0.52%
 
Wicca 6 3.13%
 
Norse 6 3.13%
 
Roman/Greek 21 10.94%
 
Total:192
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

The Catholic Church started with the Bishop of Rome, aka Pope becoming leader.

That he wasn't as strong a leader as he is now is irrelevent.

Nor does he being a successor to Peter matter.

All that matters is, he was the leader of the Church at the time.  Which the made up word Proto was made up, specifically to admit, but not admit that the Eastern Orthodox Church is a breakaway.

'Don't confuse me with the facts, I've got my mind made up already'.  WOW, you used to be better at this debating stuff. Not anymore I guess.

Ok... I'll stop confusing you with the facts.

Weird stance but ok... at least your being honest with yourself.

It's simple the pope was the top authority then, and as the catholic church evolved this did not change. 

For The Eastern Othrodox Church... the Pope was the head, the leader and the most important religious leader, but isn't anymore.

Which is the original?  Pretty obvious answer there.

 

Keep in mind that the Eastern Othrodx Church in fact argues that the church existed, it just was there church and not the Catholics then the catholics branced off them..  Not that no such church existed.

The only person who finds facts confusing is yourself (I assumed you got that, but I guess it was probably too tough for you to figure out). Actually, you simply ignore them. I already mentioned I have no real interest in this issue, so I won't be replying to these posts anymore. Maybe there's some Eastern Orthodox religious figure on this site you can continue this conversation with.



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I chose Buddhism because it is by far the best religion on that list (atheism FTW). Buddhism is a religion I can really be in peace with.



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sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

The Catholic Church started with the Bishop of Rome, aka Pope becoming leader.

That he wasn't as strong a leader as he is now is irrelevent.

Nor does he being a successor to Peter matter.

All that matters is, he was the leader of the Church at the time.  Which the made up word Proto was made up, specifically to admit, but not admit that the Eastern Orthodox Church is a breakaway.

'Don't confuse me with the facts, I've got my mind made up already'.  WOW, you used to be better at this debating stuff. Not anymore I guess.

Ok... I'll stop confusing you with the facts.

Weird stance but ok... at least your being honest with yourself.

It's simple the pope was the top authority then, and as the catholic church evolved this did not change. 

For The Eastern Othrodox Church... the Pope was the head, the leader and the most important religious leader, but isn't anymore.

Which is the original?  Pretty obvious answer there.

 

Keep in mind that the Eastern Othrodx Church in fact argues that the church existed, it just was there church and not the Catholics then the catholics branced off them..  Not that no such church existed.

The only person who finds facts confusing is yourself (I assumed you got that, but I guess it was probably too tough for you to figure out). Actually, you simply ignore them. I already mentioned I have no real interest in this issue, so I won't be replying to these posts anymore. Maybe there's some Eastern Orthodox religious figure on this site you can continue this conversation with.


Oh I got it... I just found it funny how it really just applied to you.  Afterall, the facts are incontravertable, no matter how you may try to escape it with unrelated statements.



Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

The Catholic Church started with the Bishop of Rome, aka Pope becoming leader.

That he wasn't as strong a leader as he is now is irrelevent.

Nor does he being a successor to Peter matter.

All that matters is, he was the leader of the Church at the time.  Which the made up word Proto was made up, specifically to admit, but not admit that the Eastern Orthodox Church is a breakaway.

'Don't confuse me with the facts, I've got my mind made up already'.  WOW, you used to be better at this debating stuff. Not anymore I guess.

Ok... I'll stop confusing you with the facts.

Weird stance but ok... at least your being honest with yourself.

It's simple the pope was the top authority then, and as the catholic church evolved this did not change. 

For The Eastern Othrodox Church... the Pope was the head, the leader and the most important religious leader, but isn't anymore.

Which is the original?  Pretty obvious answer there.

 

Keep in mind that the Eastern Othrodx Church in fact argues that the church existed, it just was there church and not the Catholics then the catholics branced off them..  Not that no such church existed.

The only person who finds facts confusing is yourself (I assumed you got that, but I guess it was probably too tough for you to figure out). Actually, you simply ignore them. I already mentioned I have no real interest in this issue, so I won't be replying to these posts anymore. Maybe there's some Eastern Orthodox religious figure on this site you can continue this conversation with.


Oh I got it... I just found it funny how it really just applied to you.  Afterall, the facts are incontravertable, no matter how you may try to escape it with unrelated statements.

Yes, the facts are incontrovertible, and they're also not on your side.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:

The Catholic Church started with the Bishop of Rome, aka Pope becoming leader.

That he wasn't as strong a leader as he is now is irrelevent.

Nor does he being a successor to Peter matter.

All that matters is, he was the leader of the Church at the time.  Which the made up word Proto was made up, specifically to admit, but not admit that the Eastern Orthodox Church is a breakaway.

'Don't confuse me with the facts, I've got my mind made up already'.  WOW, you used to be better at this debating stuff. Not anymore I guess.

Ok... I'll stop confusing you with the facts.

Weird stance but ok... at least your being honest with yourself.

It's simple the pope was the top authority then, and as the catholic church evolved this did not change. 

For The Eastern Othrodox Church... the Pope was the head, the leader and the most important religious leader, but isn't anymore.

Which is the original?  Pretty obvious answer there.

 

Keep in mind that the Eastern Othrodx Church in fact argues that the church existed, it just was there church and not the Catholics then the catholics branced off them..  Not that no such church existed.

The only person who finds facts confusing is yourself (I assumed you got that, but I guess it was probably too tough for you to figure out). Actually, you simply ignore them. I already mentioned I have no real interest in this issue, so I won't be replying to these posts anymore. Maybe there's some Eastern Orthodox religious figure on this site you can continue this conversation with.


Oh I got it... I just found it funny how it really just applied to you.  Afterall, the facts are incontravertable, no matter how you may try to escape it with unrelated statements.

Yes, the facts are incontrovertible, and they're also not on your side.


Except you know... they are.  If you consider EVERY change to religious structure or belief a new religion you'd have to argue that basically every pope creates a new religion.

All that matters is the head of the orginization, which was always, the pope.  Even the Eastern Orthrodox church doesn't debate that.

Everything else is just structural changes within the religion.



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Kasz216 said:


Except you know... they are.  If you consider EVERY change to religious structure or belief a new religion you'd have to argue that basically every pope creates a new religion.

All that matters is the head of the orginization, which was always, the pope.  Even the Eastern Orthrodox church doesn't debate that.

Everything else is just structural changes within the religion.

They are if you purposely misinterpret them.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


Except you know... they are.  If you consider EVERY change to religious structure or belief a new religion you'd have to argue that basically every pope creates a new religion.

All that matters is the head of the orginization, which was always, the pope.  Even the Eastern Orthrodox church doesn't debate that.

Everything else is just structural changes within the religion.

They are if you purposely misinterpret them.


Then don't do it anymore.



Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
Kasz216 said:


Except you know... they are.  If you consider EVERY change to religious structure or belief a new religion you'd have to argue that basically every pope creates a new religion.

All that matters is the head of the orginization, which was always, the pope.  Even the Eastern Orthrodox church doesn't debate that.

Everything else is just structural changes within the religion.

They are if you purposely misinterpret them.


Then don't do it anymore.

Don't say out loud what you're telling yourself to do. It's creepy and makes you look crazy.



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

padib said:
If you guys are serious about the topic, why not refine your definitions and bring out more facts? I'm reading.


There's really not more to explain.  There were three main bishops of the Catholic Church of the time.  Rome, Antioch and Alexandira, they had control over their local areas.

The Roman Bishop was considered the prime bishop and the one to be held in honor above all others.

Eastern Othrodox and some Protestant churches want to ignore that fact though because they feel it deligitimizes them that they are "break off" sects.

 

The reason why the Bishop of Rome (aka pope) was treated as such is because Jesus said on to Peter that he "gives the church over to him" and according to Christian Theology Peter started a church in Rome and was the first bishop of Rome.

While the Orthodox interpretation is that Jesus was talking to all the apostles and not peter....

This is a stupid arguement because

1) So what?  He made Peter the head of the church, what does that have to do with further popes.

2) the view didn't seem to originate until after the Eastern Chruch broke off... since Rome was the head before then and primacy of the roman pope was something that happened well before the split... or even the Niciean councils.   It didn't seem to come about until after the schism which was like the 11th century.

3) A better argument would be that there is no proof Peter founded the church in rome... not even proof in the scripture.

4) It's all irrelevent anyway since the pope was already accepted as the "Bishop of all others".  Meaning any change in that to form a new religion makes you the breakaway.  Heck, even when the Church of Constantinople was built, they demanded that their bishop be.... 2nd.  Behind the Pope.  Which actually drew the ire of Antioch and Alexandria that a new bishop wanted to "cut in line" just because they were in a new roman capital... when Rome's primacy came not from the Roman empire but from Jesus.  The "All bishops are equal" belief the eastern othrodox church now has clearly wasn't in effect then, with Constantinople aiming for spot 2.  Now a days it's claimed that this is just to show a position of "seniroity".

Which is problematic considering the fact that they claimed to be number 2, (Now number 1 after leaving the pope) despite the fact that they were nowhere near number 2 when it comes to seniority.

 

 

Essentially, the eastern Othrodox church wants to reject the Popes whole leadership role, because the Pope went after more leadership power then he already had.



If getting forced to it I probably would give up life but will try to take so many of those 'force me a relgion people' with me in the blast and hope more will follow so we' don't want to force a religion to people people' overthrow them!