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LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"When your business is entertainment and your end goal is improving quality of life"

That is the problem there, believing that's what entertainment it for. It's the same as believing all entertainment is to uphold and maintain moral values.

"This action film features sex and swearing! It should be banned!"

"This action film doesn't culturally enrich its viewers! It should be thrown in the trash!"

Both are fallacies that just make entertainment worse.

please explain, what is entertainment's purpose then?
(other than improving quality of life...)


No, not "other", because that still implies entertainment involves that at all. You want to improve the quality of life? Cure a disease. Make and invention that makes our lives easier. Improve education. Etertainment is NOT about that. In case you are wondering what its true purpose is, look at the root of the word.

I think this is a purely semantic misunderstanding, because that is precisely what I meant by "quality" as opposed to "quantity" which is usually used in reference to medicine and other such things. Entertainment makes your life more fun/interesting/whatever, which is why I said it was nonessential, unlike medicine, law-enforcement, supplying food and water etc.

I did not mean it as a moral reference, and I certainly do not believe entertainment should enforce certain moral values over others.



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LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:
LordTheNightKnight said:
"When your business is entertainment and your end goal is improving quality of life"

That is the problem there, believing that's what entertainment it for. It's the same as believing all entertainment is to uphold and maintain moral values.

"This action film features sex and swearing! It should be banned!"

"This action film doesn't culturally enrich its viewers! It should be thrown in the trash!"

Both are fallacies that just make entertainment worse.

please explain, what is entertainment's purpose then?
(other than improving quality of life...)


No, not "other", because that still implies entertainment involves that at all. You want to improve the quality of life? Cure a disease. Make and invention that makes our lives easier. Improve education. Etertainment is NOT about that. In case you are wondering what its true purpose is, look at the root of the word.

In some way entertainment does improve life. “fun” makes you feel better and feeling better improves life as in psychologically and so on  



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

Honestly the more rumours this website comes out with the more I believe they're making most of them up ...

Nintendo is a very secretive company that has as many information leaks in a decade as most similar companies have in a year. While there have been thousands of rumours produced by seemingly legitimate websites about what Nintendo is going to do, only a handful of these rumours have ever turned out to be true unless the information was within days/weeks of Nintendo announcing it; and most likely coming from an external source that probably doesn’t have much of a relationship with Nintendo (for example a company producing printed promotional material). When you actually evaluate most of the rumours that are spread about Nintendo they tend to fall into two categories, those who are writing about what they believe Nintendo should do (Wii HD is a good example of this) or those who are treating the opinion of others who tend not to have adequate knowledge as if it is solid information.



gumby_trucker said:
RolStoppable said:

This is where the restaurant analogy comes in. Suppose there's a restaurant that became famous due to a certain dish that people couldn't get anywhere else. Not at that time and not anytime in the future. Then someday the cooks decide that they don't want to make this dish anymore, because they want to move on and explore new things.

I don't need to go into more detail, because you are smart enough to figure the rest anyway. You don't stop serving the dish that built your business. There is no excuse whatsoever, it's simply outright wrong.

When your business is entertainment and your end goal is improving quality of life you don't have to be as black and white as in other fields. At the end of the day you're selling a non-essential product. Sometimes I feel the fans don't know where to draw the line between nostalgia or appreciation, and unashamed feelings of entitlement. If Nintendo decided to quit making games tomorrow we gamers would still be far more in debt to them than they are to us.

If my satisfaction in my entertainment is SO important that other, more talented and hard-working individuals (not to mention more contributing) have to sacrifice their passions and quality of life in order to fulfill my (non-essential) desire, than something is deeply, deeply wrong with society.

Nobody forces us to buy Nintendo games, and if Nintendo developers are able to continue following their own passions while still remaining highly profitable and (for the most part) without competition in their fields, then more power to them I say! It just means that they are not only clever businessmen, but clever human-beings as well. We should all be so lucky.

god damn Gumby you are firing on all cylinders. the restaurant analogy sucks BTW. If i buy a mcdonalds burger and i like it, i have to buy more do i not?? If i buy a Mario game do i have to buy more??? No its there for me to play as long as i want. People need to get off the 2d Mario, y'all are the ones with the sick obsession. People are still buying Mario DS AND Mario Wii, so why the hell would Ninty spend time and energy if people are not tired of buying the Mario games they released years ago?? You want 2d Mario?? Play 2d Mario, no one is stopping you, it isnt like there istn a bunch of them you can get.

Iwata aint going nowhere, i hope not, i actually like that guy, he is the only one in the industry that doesnt seem like a prick, he took a pay cut for crap's sake. I do agree with whoever said that Ninty needs to change their way with 3rd parties.



gumby_trucker said:

I think this is a purely semantic misunderstanding, because that is precisely what I meant by "quality" as opposed to "quantity" which is usually used in reference to medicine and other such things. Entertainment makes your life more fun/interesting/whatever, which is why I said it was nonessential, unlike medicine, law-enforcement, supplying food and water etc.

I did not mean it as a moral reference, and I certainly do not believe entertainment should enforce certain moral values over others.


Well in that context, making games that please the customers is the way to go, not being "original" or "creative" because the artist wants to be and doesn't care what the customer thinks.



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Roma said:
JTurner82 said:
Roma said:
JTurner82 said:
I can't believe ANYBODY is falling for this rumor. This is just a rumor, not a fact. Iwata-san isn't going to step down any time soon, how can anyone believe that this is actual news?

People believe in what they want to be true not what’s actually true


I guess, but that doesn't mean it's going to happen.  From what I've seen, Iwata is a very humble president, and I just don't see him being ousted from Nintendo as this "article" claims.

 

This 01Net site reeks of BS rumors if you ask me.  Not worth paying attention to.

Agree! I see nothing wrong at all with him in fact I’ve never seen anyone act like he does because of bad sales of a product. I mean who would lower his income because he made a mistake?

If you ask me the only mistake Nintendo made was not releasing their big guns at the start of the 3DS launch and instead gave 3rd parties room to release their games so they could get more sales before the Nintendo games came out.

I think Nintendo should just buy a couple of developers and go on it alone and who ever wants to fallow them then they are welcome!

A lot of people hate Nintendo yet they want their games on other platforms if they step out of the hardware business.    

isnt that whay they did with Wii??



Nintendogamer said:

Looks like Nintendo is finally getting what has been coming at them in the last 30 years.  That''s what he gets for not releasing enough software throughout the year.

Something deeply worrying about you, because they didn't/don't sate your obsessive need for being #1 in the sales race you practically despise them, ludicrus.



 

LordTheNightKnight said:
gumby_trucker said:

I think this is a purely semantic misunderstanding, because that is precisely what I meant by "quality" as opposed to "quantity" which is usually used in reference to medicine and other such things. Entertainment makes your life more fun/interesting/whatever, which is why I said it was nonessential, unlike medicine, law-enforcement, supplying food and water etc.

I did not mean it as a moral reference, and I certainly do not believe entertainment should enforce certain moral values over others.


Well in that context, making games that please the customers is the way to go, not being "original" or "creative" because the artist wants to be and doesn't care what the customer thinks.

as long as the artist can make a living, he's entitled to do whatever he wants. Artists are people too, there's no reason why your or my enjoyment should be more important than anybody else's.



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oniyide said:

isnt that whay they did with Wii??


who did they buy this gen? as far as I know only NdCube...Monolith is a last gen investment and Retro even earlier than that.



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gumby_trucker said:
oniyide said:

isnt that whay they did with Wii??


who did they buy this gen? as far as I know only NdCube...Monolith is a last gen investment and Retro even earlier than that.

i was thinking more in the lines of doing their own thing