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Forums - General - Christian's of VGChartz, are you Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or Non-Denominational? (Edit:Poll fixed)

 

Which are you?

Catholic 18 16.82%
 
Orthodox 20 18.69%
 
Protestant 15 14.02%
 
Non-Denominational 13 12.15%
 
Non Christian just wanna see results 40 37.38%
 
Total:106
pearljammer said:
starcraft said:
TWRoO said:
 

I think Athieism is a belief that organised religion is detrimental to society, it's ironic that the proper 'hardcore' athiests are basically part of a religion themselves. (Not to insult all athiests though, as I have a friend who is an athiest)

Personally I am agnostic, but I have a problem with what you said. People who believe the universe was not created by a higher being do not believe it was created out of nothing, rather that it is unknown what came before. (In science matter and mass itself is just a concept, a force. And atoms themselves would not have mass, or be matter if it were possible to break them apart. http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=74297 as such there was not neccessarily such a thing as density before the big bang)

Science is a subject that strives to disprove itself, should scientific study find that a higher being[s] exists and created the "big bang" or in some way created the universe as we know it, then that would then be the belief of science also.

Athiesm is the belief that there is no higher power, although I'll grant you that doesn't necessarily mean that all athiests believe in science, as I implied.

My point stands.  One cannot say "I've no idea what the truth is" whilst simultaneously claiming someone else's truth is crazy.  At least, that is not a reasonable claim.

IvorEvilen said:

(On a side note...) Remember guys, it takes at least as much faith to believe in science or any other belief that you may have, so calling someone insane for being religious is not a very intellectual response. In fact, I am sure it would make others, with similar beliefs, upset with you as well.

I should preface this by saying that any reasonable atheist is not with absolute certainty that there is no deity (especially an intervening one) anyone claiming so is blinded by arrogance; however, we say that the likelihood of it being the case is similar to that of unicorns existing -impossible to ever falsify, yet incredibly unlikely.

@starcraft: Sure they can. It's rude and perhaps over-generalizing, but they could do so without being hypocritical. If one only derives truth from conclusions based on data, they could categorically call a truth solely based on conclusions, sanas data, as 'crazy.' (though I think doing so is both condescending and insensitive)

@ IvorEvilen: There is a large difference between the beliefs of a theist and an atheist. An atheist belives in the absence of a god due to lack of evidence. A theist believes in a god in spite of a lack of evidence. One is making a positive claim while the other is negative.

It does not require as much faith to not believe that Zeus created the universe as it does to believe that he did. An overused analogy, I know, but it does drive home the difference between the two stances.

When Pierre-Simon Laplace, one of the greatest minds in history, had gone to Napolean to show his works on the universe, Napolean questioned "M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator." Laplace responded "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là." ("I had no need of that hypothesis.")

Starting with a conclusion and having it fit whatever model compared to reading data and making approriate conclusions are two wildly different things. It's a gross overstatement to say that they require the same amount of faith - or that one requires faith at all, really.

 

My intention here isn't to insult anybody (I really hope I haven't) or to incite debate of existance vs non-existance, just simply to falsify the idea that science requires just as much faith as religion.

JoelCool, if you feel my post has treaded far too much off-topic, let me know and I will delete it.


It is off topic but respectful and not insulting to any users taking part in this thread. As such I don't think it needs to be deleted. However the thread is about Christian denominations and not what Athiests believe. Their are plenty of perfectly good threads about the beliefs of athiests and the belief in their being no God that you and any other users can use if you want to debate that topic.

For the most part I think this thread is going fairly well. I'm glad to see users not attacking one another, though a few attempts to change this into an athiesm vs christian thread are regrettable. To this point it remains about what different denominations users belong too.

Also yah I had to edit the poll as such the earlier results were lost. Please forgive me I was being to American and did not think of the Orthodox Church. Though I am not ignorant of their existance as I have a friend from Bosnia (Serbian apparently) who is Orthodox. I just didn't think about it when creating the poll as the majority of Christians I know are Protestant , Catholic or Non-Denominational.

If I caused any offence to any Orthodox users I am very sorry. Its too bad the editted poll hasn't seen the success the initial one did. Oh well the thread looks pretty good and its very educational I'm learning alot more about my fellow believers here on VGChartz!



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Buddhist and non-denominational christian with some sumerian mythology in there somewhere.



spurgeonryan said:
I already posted mine, but I was Lutheran and my Ex-wife is Mormon. No my current girlfriend is the Lutheran's nemesis..Catholic!

I smell a Hollywood romance with a dramatic ending.



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Pentecostal wasn't in there, so I put non-denom. I guess I qualify to say that since I'm a youth pastor at a non-denominational church :-p

 

(I guess if anyone has any questions about any statement I've just made, I can answer them for the interested, lol)



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mrstickball said:

Pentecostal wasn't in there, so I put non-denom. I guess I qualify to say that since I'm a youth pastor at a non-denominational church :-p

 

(I guess if anyone has any questions about any statement I've just made, I can answer them for the interested, lol)

I have one. What is a youth pastor?



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sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:

Pentecostal wasn't in there, so I put non-denom. I guess I qualify to say that since I'm a youth pastor at a non-denominational church :-p

 

(I guess if anyone has any questions about any statement I've just made, I can answer them for the interested, lol)

I have one. What is a youth pastor?


A youth pastor is someone that usually runs the youth group at a given church. I guess Europe doesn't have these, so I will explain:

In America, many churches have what are called youth groups. Its essentially the members of the church between ages 12-20. As the youth pastor, I am responsible for teaching Bible Studies to the kids once a week, and planning activites/events for them through the month. Generally, these are activities that are either community driven (such as feeding the hungry at a local soup kitchen, or a back-to-school event where we give out food & school supplies to the poor), or activity driven (attending a Christian concert, going to various sporting events, essentially things that are fun that some youth may not be able to afford that we pay for, and so on).

Additionally, I am responsible for a youth service we have once a month. We do these on Sunday nights, which are essentially a youth-driven version of a regular Sunday morning church service. Heavy metal/rock-driven praise & worship vs. traditional worship, a message, then food & games after service.

That is it in the nutshell. In the US, you generally have pastors over childrens, youth and adult ministries, with the adult pastor being the one that generally is the head of the church, with childrens/youth playing supportive roles.

Eventually, my goal is to build a youth center in our community where everyone can come to, free of charge, and enjoy activities such as mini-golf, arcades, basketball, and concerts in a Christian atmosphere (e.g. no cursing, drugs, alcohol, or smoking).



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mrstickball said:


A youth pastor is someone that usually runs the youth group at a given church. I guess Europe doesn't have these, so I will explain:

In America, many churches have what are called youth groups. Its essentially the members of the church between ages 12-20. As the youth pastor, I am responsible for teaching Bible Studies to the kids once a week, and planning activites/events for them through the month. Generally, these are activities that are either community driven (such as feeding the hungry at a local soup kitchen, or a back-to-school event where we give out food & school supplies to the poor), or activity driven (attending a Christian concert, going to various sporting events, essentially things that are fun that some youth may not be able to afford that we pay for, and so on).

Additionally, I am responsible for a youth service we have once a month. We do these on Sunday nights, which are essentially a youth-driven version of a regular Sunday morning church service. Heavy metal/rock-driven praise & worship vs. traditional worship, a message, then food & games after service.

That is it in the nutshell. In the US, you generally have pastors over childrens, youth and adult ministries, with the adult pastor being the one that generally is the head of the church, with childrens/youth playing supportive roles.

Eventually, my goal is to build a youth center in our community where everyone can come to, free of charge, and enjoy activities such as mini-golf, arcades, basketball, and concerts in a Christian atmosphere (e.g. no cursing, drugs, alcohol, or smoking).

What is the purpose of a youth group? What is the purpose of organizing those activities, and what connection do they have with religion? Why are there special services for youth? How exactly can something like 'heavy metal/rock-driven praise and worship' work? Do people normally do drugs on mini-gold courses? How well do they pay you?

Over here Protestants are equated with people parto of cults/sects, and the non-religious activities the churches have (mainly those aimed at youth) are seen as conversion ploys and 'corrupting' young people.



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"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

sapphi_snake said:
mrstickball said:


A youth pastor is someone that usually runs the youth group at a given church. I guess Europe doesn't have these, so I will explain:

In America, many churches have what are called youth groups. Its essentially the members of the church between ages 12-20. As the youth pastor, I am responsible for teaching Bible Studies to the kids once a week, and planning activites/events for them through the month. Generally, these are activities that are either community driven (such as feeding the hungry at a local soup kitchen, or a back-to-school event where we give out food & school supplies to the poor), or activity driven (attending a Christian concert, going to various sporting events, essentially things that are fun that some youth may not be able to afford that we pay for, and so on).

Additionally, I am responsible for a youth service we have once a month. We do these on Sunday nights, which are essentially a youth-driven version of a regular Sunday morning church service. Heavy metal/rock-driven praise & worship vs. traditional worship, a message, then food & games after service.

That is it in the nutshell. In the US, you generally have pastors over childrens, youth and adult ministries, with the adult pastor being the one that generally is the head of the church, with childrens/youth playing supportive roles.

Eventually, my goal is to build a youth center in our community where everyone can come to, free of charge, and enjoy activities such as mini-golf, arcades, basketball, and concerts in a Christian atmosphere (e.g. no cursing, drugs, alcohol, or smoking).

What is the purpose of a youth group? What is the purpose of organizing those activities, and what connection do they have with religion? Why are there special services for youth? How exactly can something like 'heavy metal/rock-driven praise and worship' work? Do people normally do drugs on mini-gold courses? How well do they pay you?

Over here Protestants are equated with people parto of cults/sects, and the non-religious activities the churches have (mainly those aimed at youth) are seen as conversion ploys and 'corrupting' young people.


The purpose of a youth group is to disciple and train youth to become Christians, and continue doing so through adulthood. Many churches have youth groups because the issues youth face are different than that of adults. Because of the differentiation, youth can learn in a different environment and be ministered to at a different level and in a different way. The way you conduct a service for a 60 year old person is generally a lot different than that of a 15 year old.

The purpose of organizing activities to help the poor/needy is to follow the commands of Jesus Christ. Furthermore, the book of Acts shows that the disciples were heavily involved in caring for the needs of their community - the rich sold what they have and gave to the poor, the farmers gave their food to the hungry, and so on. Much of this ministry can be summed up in Matthew 25 in the parable of the sheep & goats.

The fun activities are there merely for social purposes. Having events where Christians can get together and have fun build up their relationship(s) with other believers and ensure that they have strong bonds with those of the faith, thus building themselves up. Alternatively, it ensures that they have activities once in awhile that are designed to show that you can have a lot of fun as a Christian.

How does heavy metal/rock praise & worship go?

Well, here's how it works:

Instead of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7vZ-hPc-B0


We play this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hG9z-Z3szc

 

Do people do drugs at mini-golf courses? Actually, yes. In my town they do. My town is rather small - about 13,000 people. We have 1 movie theater, a Wal-Mart and a bowling alley or two. If you are young, you hang out at one of the three places, and the bowling alley is pretty big on drugs and other activities that are illegal. My goal would be to provide them an atmosphere that they can be at free of such things.

I do not get paid anything for my position. It is 100% voluntary. At the church I go to, the senior pastor also refuses a salary. He only gets a small stipend a month for living expenses. 90% of every dollar that the church gets is distributed to their bills, and our ministries. We house a clothing shelter, a food pantry, and a homeless shelter.

Protestant churches in the US aren't viewed with the distain in your country, and ours are (generally speaking) flourishing, which is why we have much higher church attendance rates than in Europe. Furthermore, I don't know how one could view feeding the poor as a 'corrupting activity'.



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mrstickball said:

Pentecostal wasn't in there, so I put non-denom. I guess I qualify to say that since I'm a youth pastor at a non-denominational church :-p

 

(I guess if anyone has any questions about any statement I've just made, I can answer them for the interested, lol)

Isn't Pentecostal similar to the Apostolic Church?



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huaxiong90 said:
mrstickball said:

Pentecostal wasn't in there, so I put non-denom. I guess I qualify to say that since I'm a youth pastor at a non-denominational church :-p

 

(I guess if anyone has any questions about any statement I've just made, I can answer them for the interested, lol)

Isn't Pentecostal similar to the Apostolic Church?

Apostolic churches are a branch of pentecostalism, yes. They are a bit wackier in doctrine.

Pentecostal churches vary a lot in doctrine from the Charasmatic branch which believes gifts of the spirit are for today, but none are more important than one another, and a person may recieve any in any order. Mainline Pentecostalism and Apostolics believe that speaking in tongues are proof of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. However, many Apostolic churches believe that you must speak in tongues to be saved. Additionally, most do not believe in the trinity in the way that mainline Christianity (from Catholics to mainline Pentecostals) believe.



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