pearljammer said:
I should preface this by saying that any reasonable atheist is not with absolute certainty that there is no deity (especially an intervening one) anyone claiming so is blinded by arrogance; however, we say that the likelihood of it being the case is similar to that of unicorns existing -impossible to ever falsify, yet incredibly unlikely. @starcraft: Sure they can. It's rude and perhaps over-generalizing, but they could do so without being hypocritical. If one only derives truth from conclusions based on data, they could categorically call a truth solely based on conclusions, sanas data, as 'crazy.' (though I think doing so is both condescending and insensitive) @ IvorEvilen: There is a large difference between the beliefs of a theist and an atheist. An atheist belives in the absence of a god due to lack of evidence. A theist believes in a god in spite of a lack of evidence. One is making a positive claim while the other is negative. It does not require as much faith to not believe that Zeus created the universe as it does to believe that he did. An overused analogy, I know, but it does drive home the difference between the two stances. When Pierre-Simon Laplace, one of the greatest minds in history, had gone to Napolean to show his works on the universe, Napolean questioned "M. Laplace, they tell me you have written this large book on the system of the universe, and have never even mentioned its Creator." Laplace responded "Je n'avais pas besoin de cette hypothèse-là." ("I had no need of that hypothesis.") Starting with a conclusion and having it fit whatever model compared to reading data and making approriate conclusions are two wildly different things. It's a gross overstatement to say that they require the same amount of faith - or that one requires faith at all, really.
My intention here isn't to insult anybody (I really hope I haven't) or to incite debate of existance vs non-existance, just simply to falsify the idea that science requires just as much faith as religion. JoelCool, if you feel my post has treaded far too much off-topic, let me know and I will delete it. |
It is off topic but respectful and not insulting to any users taking part in this thread. As such I don't think it needs to be deleted. However the thread is about Christian denominations and not what Athiests believe. Their are plenty of perfectly good threads about the beliefs of athiests and the belief in their being no God that you and any other users can use if you want to debate that topic.
For the most part I think this thread is going fairly well. I'm glad to see users not attacking one another, though a few attempts to change this into an athiesm vs christian thread are regrettable. To this point it remains about what different denominations users belong too.
Also yah I had to edit the poll as such the earlier results were lost. Please forgive me I was being to American and did not think of the Orthodox Church. Though I am not ignorant of their existance as I have a friend from Bosnia (Serbian apparently) who is Orthodox. I just didn't think about it when creating the poll as the majority of Christians I know are Protestant , Catholic or Non-Denominational.
If I caused any offence to any Orthodox users I am very sorry. Its too bad the editted poll hasn't seen the success the initial one did. Oh well the thread looks pretty good and its very educational I'm learning alot more about my fellow believers here on VGChartz!
-JC7
"In God We Trust - In Games We Play " - Joel Reimer







