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DarthVolod said:

While we are at it though we should drastically reduce the size of the military,

that will be foolishness as US has created too many enemies which are now going to beat the shit out of the country if military isn't there

legalize prostitution,

yeah right.US has enough problems with porn.

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DarthVolod said:
leatherhat said:
So nobody cares that 77% of illegal immigrants are on welfare and other forms of entitlements? Nobody cares that the human and drug trade that a porous border allows directly fuels Mexican cartels that murder Mexican citizens with impunity, and that are now spreading to Southwest states? Nobody cares that Illegal immigration has been used as a poverty dump by Mexican politicians to avoid having to enact real change to the Mexican economy? Nobody cares that America, facing an enormous debt, uses its dwindling funds to pay for the welfare of Non- US citizens? Nobody cares that Obama clearly overstepped his boundaries and executive power?

If any of you actually think that this decision helps anyone involved in this (be they American, Mexican or Illegal) you are kidding yourself. Time to start thinking with your brain and not your heart.


Get rid of entitlements completely and legalize drugs. The former would simultaneously save the economy (by cutting spending on a scale unheard of) and shut down half of the argument against illegal immigration effectively forcing all who come to this country (illegal or not) to be productive members of society or seek private charity in the case of genuine need. The latter would defang drug cartels by cutting off their income. Legalization would also have the added bonus of reducing the prison population of the U.S. which is staggering.

While we are at it though we should drastically reduce the size of the military, legalize prostitution, and do other things that make perfect sense but will never happen ... at least not in our lifetime.

Also, I wouldn't expect your 77% welfare figure to pull much weight since I doubt that those who support the current form of illegal immigration with entitlements and drug crimes to care at all about welfare figures. More likely, they would find this encouraging ... more cradle to grave government dependents which means, with full amnesty, more voters for them.


I agree with prett much everything you said, ecspecially about ending the drug war (I don't know if I would fully legalize them though). As for your last part its sad but true. I think this measure would make me less angry if it wasn't a clear vote pandering by Obama. 



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leatherhat said:
So nobody cares that 77% of illegal immigrants are on welfare and other forms of entitlements? Nobody cares that the human and drug trade that a porous border allows directly fuels Mexican cartels that murder Mexican citizens with impunity, and that are now spreading to Southwest states? Nobody cares that Illegal immigration has been used as a poverty dump by Mexican politicians to avoid having to enact real change to the Mexican economy? Nobody cares that America, facing an enormous debt, uses its dwindling funds to pay for the welfare of Non- US citizens? Nobody cares that Obama clearly overstepped his boundaries and executive power?

If any of you actually think that this decision helps anyone involved in this (be they American, Mexican or Illegal) you are kidding yourself. Time to start thinking with your brain and not your heart.


I'm goona need some sources for those statements. Illegal immigrants cannot apply for welfare or any form of entitlement programs.



J.a.M said:
leatherhat said:
So nobody cares that 77% of illegal immigrants are on welfare and other forms of entitlements? Nobody cares that the human and drug trade that a porous border allows directly fuels Mexican cartels that murder Mexican citizens with impunity, and that are now spreading to Southwest states? Nobody cares that Illegal immigration has been used as a poverty dump by Mexican politicians to avoid having to enact real change to the Mexican economy? Nobody cares that America, facing an enormous debt, uses its dwindling funds to pay for the welfare of Non- US citizens? Nobody cares that Obama clearly overstepped his boundaries and executive power?

If any of you actually think that this decision helps anyone involved in this (be they American, Mexican or Illegal) you are kidding yourself. Time to start thinking with your brain and not your heart.


I'm goona need some sources for those statements. Illegal immigrants cannot apply for welfare or any form of entitlement programs.


Just like they can't vote right?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/apr/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/nov/no-illegal-aliens-welfare-doubles

 

I can get you some more specific data but I'm at work right now.



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leatherhat said:
J.a.M said:
leatherhat said:
So nobody cares that 77% of illegal immigrants are on welfare and other forms of entitlements? Nobody cares that the human and drug trade that a porous border allows directly fuels Mexican cartels that murder Mexican citizens with impunity, and that are now spreading to Southwest states? Nobody cares that Illegal immigration has been used as a poverty dump by Mexican politicians to avoid having to enact real change to the Mexican economy? Nobody cares that America, facing an enormous debt, uses its dwindling funds to pay for the welfare of Non- US citizens? Nobody cares that Obama clearly overstepped his boundaries and executive power?

If any of you actually think that this decision helps anyone involved in this (be they American, Mexican or Illegal) you are kidding yourself. Time to start thinking with your brain and not your heart.


I'm goona need some sources for those statements. Illegal immigrants cannot apply for welfare or any form of entitlement programs.


Just like they can't vote right?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/apr/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/nov/no-illegal-aliens-welfare-doubles

 

I can get you some more specific data but I'm at work right now.


Yeah lets send back all those immigrants or children of immigrants back to their country...

You better pack up buddy because your parents or theirs were probably not very different.........

 

What happened to :

 "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"



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Ail said:
leatherhat said:
J.a.M said:

I'm goona need some sources for those statements. Illegal immigrants cannot apply for welfare or any form of entitlement programs.


Just like they can't vote right?

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2011/apr/most-illegal-immigrant-families-collect-welfare

http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2009/nov/no-illegal-aliens-welfare-doubles

 

I can get you some more specific data but I'm at work right now.


Yeah lets send back all those immigrants or children of immigrants back to their country...

You better pack up buddy because your parents or theirs were probably not very different.........

 

What happened to :

 "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Actually my family has been here since befoe the revolution. Not that its relevant, I have no problem with legal immigration.



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I also like that people are ingoring that illegal immigration, as bad as it is for America, is exponentially worse for Mexico. In misguided attempts to help people supporters of illegal immigration have done massive damage to Mexico.



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snakenobi said:
DarthVolod said:

While we are at it though we should drastically reduce the size of the military,

that will be foolishness as US has created too many enemies which are now going to beat the shit out of the country if military isn't there

legalize prostitution,

yeah right.US has enough problems with porn.

pornstars go big in teens and 20's and then just battered up  40 years old regretting life



I said "drastically reduce" not "eliminate" the military. Yes, the U.S. has enemies, but nothing on the scale that would justify the current size of the U.S. military. This is not World War II or even the Cold War era. There is no logic behind the U.S. military bases scattered across the globe except to, as you pointed out, create more enemies.

Your opinion on porn actors is a generalization which is beside the point. Porn actors can, if abused by co-stars or other staff, report the problem to the authorities. Prostitution is different. I don't think anyone would argue that legalization of prostitution would make the practice less safe. Just look at how Nevada brothels have operated with strict safety requirements including: frequent medical checks, isolating the act to a safe environment for the prostitutes themselves, and mandatory condom use. If you care about the welfare of prostitutes then legalization would be a godsend for those who are hounded by pimps, receiving poor medical treatment while practicing unsafe sex, and are violently assaulted with no recourse. Whether or not one should even become a prostitute or porn star in the first place is irrelevant. This is a matter of rights in that a woman (or man) ought to be allowed to utilize their property (our bodies being the first property we aquire) for whatever purpose they so desire so long as they consent to it, and there is no initiation of force against another person. At least, be consistent ... if we have no rights over our own bodies then abortion should be illegal as well as pretty much everything else we do with our bodies like practice free speech, pursue happiness, and so on.



Mr Khan said:
There's nothing wrong with keeping the ones who have not caused trouble and are trying to better themselves, or indeed have relations serving our country in the military.

Well, other then the fact that they've skipped ahead of other people who are trying to better themselves and/or have relations serving our country in the military.

Well that and such people live far harsher lives then legal immigrants do, and if we stopped illegal immigration we could allow a lot more legal immigrants who have a real chance to better themselves.

I mean lets say an illegal immigrant graduates college with a degree.  Now with that degree they can do... nothing.  Since you need a social security number to get a decent job or even to open a bank account.  There aren't many college graduate level under the table jobs.

http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/after-college-young-illegal-immigrants-face-low-skill-jobs-11732

It's really just a cruel joke to the illegal immigrant while simaltaniously taking up a position on college that could of went to someone who has a chance at a good future in this country.

It's like those IRS Tax numbers that trick illegal immigrants into paying taxes on the random hope that maybe if amnesty passes it might only include those who have paid taxes, or at least will give them preference.

Which is really the same as illegal immigration.  If we slowed it down a lot, we could, and no doubt would because we'd need too, greatly open up our legal immigration procedures.

Illegal immigration is really nothing but a negative to the US , illegal immigrants themselves and those who want to come here legally, as illegal immigrants are the very definition of a disposable lesser class... and it's not like you could just have outright amnesty or just get rid of all immigration controls, as that would just make it impossible to keep track of who's coming into the country and how many people are coming into the country.  We'd end up with the equilvelent of shanty towns and have massive unemployment...

well more massive, at times like this.



Also it's not surprising his approval rating with Hispanics are down. Being mostly conservative the only thing keeping them in Democrats pockets is their stance on immigration law, which is why Bush actually tried to adopt a pro amnesty stance. It'd swing things in favor of the republican party.