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Please read thread before polling and this is just a prediction as of business strategies as of now

Yes,as far as current plans go 57 21.67%
 
No,as far as current plans go 125 47.53%
 
Yes,even if ninty changes... 14 5.32%
 
no,ninty will cause Sony to rethink 67 25.48%
 
Total:263
Roma on 19 August 2011

i think they can IF Nintendo takes back about 30m Wii and stop producing consoles but that will never happen (the taking back part) :P

seriously lol



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Phoeniks.Wright on 19 August 2011
snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:

1/Talking of PS3 being even competitive was a far fetched idea back in the days when PS3 was launched.Everybody said PS3 will be extinct and SONY will go bankrupt.And that the Wii brand is way too strong.

1/Way to rewrite history here. If you weren't aware, the popular prediction back then was something like 80 million for PS3 and 20 million for the Wii by now.

They were all wrong,why?

2/because the business strategy matters big time to keep a system relvant and to grow it.Systems are great but you have to continue to revitalize the business and also keep the consumers interested.It has to be relevant in the soceity.  

2/What business stategy? The only one needed is an affordable console with good games on a regular basis. That's it.

 

3/Wii sales are big but its difference has gone as the experiences became old and aren't unique anymore(not talking about franchises here but the novelty)

3/No, they just stopped making good games for it.

4/but they cut Wii's price has very low room for further price cuts to penetrate the purchasing piower as its already within reach,coupled with same experiences and less innovation.

4/Price cuts don't and so will not help them at all.

 

5/whereas PS3 has been innovating and taking risk's,has alot of room for price-cuts,they still give consumers that feeling that something bigger and newer is coming and this is not it.They continue to be relevant with MOVE,to take others userbase.  

5/Move hasn't been the success you seem to make it look like. It sold a bit, but that's it. And hah at taking risks: the only thing they managed to do is burn through billions of dollars with a safe bet, nothing risky here.

 

6/Also the fact that Nintendo's business strategy didn't understand that the consumers expections and business enviorment will be the same,they need to understand that competiton will force changes.

6/I'm not too sure what you want to say here, but if we're talikng about online, then yes, Nintendo sure is underdevelopped here.

7/Wii is becoming lesser relevant day by day,which bad ahead of a new console launch(WiiU),which the company needs to utilize on.So Nintendo will have to discontinue Wii when Wii U launches as it will become irrelevant towards the future of compete against the Wii U.This is the same that we see with DS and 3DS.  

7/No. Well, at least that would be the smart thing to do. Discontinuing the Wii would be stupid, since they would be cancelling a good revenue stream for no reason. It's like the PS2. As for the 3DS, we're seeing a market rejection of the console, and again, disontinuing the DS would be stupid.

 

and the fact that SONY is sending a message that PS3 will overlap Wii U with its price still being so high.Same for 360.

 

8/The only way Nintendo will save Wii U is to bring big changes in Wii U liek it did with REVOLUTION to Wii in their business outlook which forces SONY and MS to rethink for next generationwhich will also cause the end of PS3 and 360 sooner otherwise Wii U is gonna be like dreamcast.

8/Wii U and business outlook? Nice one there. Wii U will probably not end up like the Dreamcast, but that's because Nintendo is hell bent on making a GameCube 2, not because of Sony's and Microsoft's strtegies.

 

9/As of now PS3 and 360 will overlap atleast in the generational sense and PS3 will go over Wii in sales in 3-4 years time.  

9/That really does seem unlikely.



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Slaughter on 19 August 2011

Maybe around 2016-2018 really depends on when the wii dies and how good legs ps3 has. Personally I think ps3 will have atleast as good legs as ps2 does since it was made to be future proof and Sony is the strongest brand in other so it all depends on when the wii dies.



TruckOSaurus on 19 August 2011
Slaughter said:
Maybe around 2016-2018 really depends on when the wii dies and how good legs ps3 has. Personally I think ps3 will have atleast as good legs as ps2 does since it was made to be future proof and Sony is the strongest brand in other so it all depends on when the wii dies.

The PS3 won't have the same legs as PS2 because it evolves in a very different environment than the PS2. The PS2 was such a dominent force that at the start of this generation if you were a consumer wanting to buy a cheap system then the PS2 was the obvious answer. At the start of the next generation, a consumer wanting a cheap console won't have such an easy task deciding which console to buy and many of them will end up buying an XBox 360 or a Wii instead.



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snakenobi on 19 August 2011
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:

1/Way to rewrite history here. If you weren't aware, the popular prediction back then was something like 80 million for PS3 and 20 million for the Wii by now.

i was talking after the years of launch of both Wii and PS3 noty before them

2/What business stategy? The only one needed is an affordable console with good games on a regular basis. That's it.

no it isn't

you are seeing with phones,pc's and home devices that there is a need for ecosytems and brand mainteinance

nintendo's strategy of coninutally doing new thing is good but very very risky as its hard to innovate constantly especially when you are a sole gaming company and can't innovate technologically

3/No, they just stopped making good games for it.

exactly,if ninty had jkept making good new games and then introduced wiiU then their susccess would have been somwhat guaranteed.

5/Move hasn't been the success you seem to make it look like. It sold a bit, but that's it. And hah at taking risks: the only thing they managed to do is burn through billions of dollars with a safe bet, nothing risky here.

move hasn't been a success but atleast PS3 isn't lacking soemething that Wii had which is what i meant

burn billions of dollars?

blu-ray royalties,ecosytem creation and long term brand relvancy isn't what i would call useless

6/I'm not too sure what you want to say here, but if we're talikng about online, then yes, Nintendo sure is underdevelopped here.

not just online itself. 

devices in today's world from pc,phones,consoles aren't living in different worls.they are coming together which is where ninty falls

7/No. Well, at least that would be the smart thing to do. Discontinuing the Wii would be stupid, since they would be cancelling a good revenue stream for no reason.

sure but like you see with 3DS vs DS.when the difference is low then the product image has a threat

It's like the PS2. As for the 3DS, we're seeing a market rejection of the console, and again, disontinuing the DS would be stupid.

no it isn't as PS2 was very popular when PS3 launched.if Wii U would have launched this year on in 2010 fall then the overlap of PS consoles would have applied.

the space between now and then is gonna hurt the brand

market rejection also happens as there is not much of new innovation.

DS can live but ninty can't take DS and say let it go forever as it will not help in long term

8/Wii U and business outlook? Nice one there. Wii U will probably not end up like the Dreamcast, but that's because Nintendo is hell bent on making a GameCube 2, not because of Sony's and Microsoft's strtegies.

yeah i know which is why ninty should correct their actions.they need to understand that decisions should be made according to the buisness enviorment



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Phoeniks.Wright on 19 August 2011
snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:

1/Way to rewrite history here. If you weren't aware, the popular prediction back then was something like 80 million for PS3 and 20 million for the Wii by now.

i was talking after the years of launch of both Wii and PS3 noty before them

2/What business stategy? The only one needed is an affordable console with good games on a regular basis. That's it.

no it isn't

you are seeing with phones,pc's and home devices that there is a need for ecosytems and brand mainteinance

nintendo's strategy of coninutally doing new thing is good but very very risky as its hard to innovate constantly especially when you are a sole gaming company and can't innovate technologically

3/No, they just stopped making good games for it.

exactly,if ninty had jkept making good new games and then introduced wiiU then their susccess would have been somwhat guaranteed.

5/Move hasn't been the success you seem to make it look like. It sold a bit, but that's it. And hah at taking risks: the only thing they managed to do is burn through billions of dollars with a safe bet, nothing risky here.

move hasn't been a success but atleast PS3 isn't lacking soemething that Wii had which is what i meant

burn billions of dollars?

blu-ray royalties,ecosytem creation and long term brand relvancy isn't what i would call useless

6/I'm not too sure what you want to say here, but if we're talikng about online, then yes, Nintendo sure is underdevelopped here.

not just online itself. 

devices in today's world from pc,phones,consoles aren't living in different worls.they are coming together which is where ninty falls

7/No. Well, at least that would be the smart thing to do. Discontinuing the Wii would be stupid, since they would be cancelling a good revenue stream for no reason.

sure but like you see with 3DS vs DS.when the difference is low then the product image has a threat

It's like the PS2. As for the 3DS, we're seeing a market rejection of the console, and again, disontinuing the DS would be stupid.

no it isn't as PS2 was very popular when PS3 launched.if Wii U would have launched this year on in 2010 fall then the overlap of PS consoles would have applied.

the space between now and then is gonna hurt the brand

market rejection also happens as there is not much of new innovation.

DS can live but ninty can't take DS and say let it go forever as it will not help in long term

8/Wii U and business outlook? Nice one there. Wii U will probably not end up like the Dreamcast, but that's because Nintendo is hell bent on making a GameCube 2, not because of Sony's and Microsoft's strtegies.

yeah i know which is why ninty should correct their actions.they need to understand that decisions should be made according to the buisness enviorment



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@1/: Even so, the predominant industry view was that the Wii was nothing more than a fad that would soon die out, whilst the PS3 would soon hit it's stride with the arrival of a certain game. As you see, this never happened. Your view was the minority view, if not a very small minority.

@3/: The PS3 says hi. The utter dominance of the PS2 thanks to it's huge game library sure didn't helpthe PS3 in any way.

@5/: "burn billions of dollars" means losing billions of dollars. Since it cost Sony so much to develop the technology in the PS3, and they were selling each console at a loss for a few years, they lost billions of dollars during that time. Sure, they established the Blu-ray as the HD format, but it would take a very long time to recuperate those losses if we used just royaltys.

@7/: Not too sure what you meant here.

@2/ and 6/: Business ecosystems aren't so much needed as just being here. They happen by definition automatically. ?Sure, they're shaped by customers and other company's, like distributors and fellow competitors, but ultimately, it is the customer that is king. He will decide what succeeds or not, and in the videogame industry it is the gamer.

Brand maintenance is indeed important, and what is happening here is that Nintendo is destroying the Wii brand with the Wii U. They are trying to present the Wii U as the successor to the Wii, but that's just a sick joke, since the Wii U is like a GameCube, or the anti-Wii. Same for the 3DS: they tried to present it as a successor to the DS, but the brand revolves around 3D, and since people don't want 3D, they are rejecting the 3DS.

Nintendo is an entertainment company, not a technology one. If you look at their 4 most succesful consoles, DS, GameBoy, Wii and NES, they were all technologically behind the times, even when they launched. Nintendo's only focus is to make entertaining games.

Also, that whole idea of one device that does everything has been the computer industry's ( I believe it's them, or someone within, not too sure ) wet dream for years. It never happened. In fact, that was  the reason given as to why the NES wouldn't sell. History shows how wrong this line of thought was.



Thechalkblock on 19 August 2011

The successor to the PS3 will be out before it has a chance of outselling the Wii.



snakenobi on 19 August 2011
Phoeniks.Wright said:

@1/: Even so, the predominant industry view was that the Wii was nothing more than a fad that would soon die out, whilst the PS3 would soon hit it's stride with the arrival of a certain game. As you see, this never happened. Your view was the minority view, if not a very small minority.

yeah cause PS3 was gonna release in 2007 with a small price but HD-DVD made soNY start early and production shortages stunted PS3.

i never before talked about it so how can u talk about miniority view,i was talkign what people were saying in 2007 and 2008 not 2006.

@3/: The PS3 says hi. The utter dominance of the PS2 thanks to it's huge game library sure didn't helpthe PS3 in any way.

why will library help PS3?

brand name at that point of time does and it did.how the hell do you think PS3 even came through with such a big price.

What ninty is doing now is not right as the brand of Wii has been goin down since 2010 and till 2012 it will be 2 years which will hurt next console launch

@5/: "burn billions of dollars" means losing billions of dollars. Since it cost Sony so much to develop the technology in the PS3, and they were selling each console at a loss for a few years, they lost billions of dollars during that time. Sure, they established the Blu-ray as the HD format, but it would take a very long time to recuperate those losses if we used just royaltys.

no it won't.you should go back and check.

we ave been following the profits and losses from the start of the generation.All losses made by PS3 come to $6.5-7billion plus the R&D invested in the PS VITA and future PS4

which is cut down to around $2.5billion after PS2,PSP,PS3 HW and software sales.this loss is further reduced by BLU-RAY royalties which we don't know of.SONY is easily recouping the loss

@2/ and 6/: Business ecosystems aren't so much needed as just being here. They happen by definition automatically. ?Sure, they're shaped by customers and other company's, like distributors and fellow competitors, but ultimately, it is the customer that is king. He will decide what succeeds or not, and in the videogame industry it is the gamer.

as you can see with APPLE.consumers are jsut pickers of what technology to follow but the tech provided depends on company.

we are living in a digital world with intecommunicating devices,ecosystem is essential.

Another generation of gaming then Ninty will have problem which is why ninty should start think of it now

Brand maintenance is indeed important, and what is happening here is that Nintendo is destroying the Wii brand with the Wii U.

thats the problem that they are not actually destroying the Wii brand but WiiU is the same brand but a different console.Ninty's name changing console in the past was bad but this time they are overlaping

They are trying to present the Wii U as the successor to the Wii, but that's just a sick joke, since the Wii U is like a GameCube, or the anti-Wii.

thats what the problem with ninty is that they develop new things every few years,in the long term they should maintain one name and one strategy

Same for the 3DS: they tried to present it as a successor to the DS, but the brand revolves around 3D, and since people don't want 3D, they are rejecting the 3DS.

yeah cause the innovation was very less,3D has nothing to do with game development but your view.

about the Wii if WiiU launched this year then they would be going for a successor but the time in betweent he brand value is going down by the minute

Nintendo is an entertainment company, not a technology one. If you look at their 4 most succesful consoles, DS, GameBoy, Wii and NES, they were all technologically behind the times, even when they launched. Nintendo's only focus is to make entertaining games.

that time the software and hardware were totally different and the ecosystems didn't exist

nintendo's focus is game but they have to learn that today's world both HW and SW are coming together and if they want to be invested in the gaming buisness long term then they gotta make changes or go software only company in a few years time

Also, that whole idea of one device that does everything has been the computer industry's ( I believe it's them, or someone within, not too sure ) wet dream for years. It never happened. In fact, that was  the reason given as to why the NES wouldn't sell. History shows how wrong this line of thought was.

the world has changed

TV's didn't have processors back in the day,phones were just calling devices and handhelds were just gaming devices and internet connectivity wasn't there like todya's integrated streamline systems.

please get with the time





Slaughter on 19 August 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Slaughter said:
Maybe around 2016-2018 really depends on when the wii dies and how good legs ps3 has. Personally I think ps3 will have atleast as good legs as ps2 does since it was made to be future proof and Sony is the strongest brand in other so it all depends on when the wii dies.

The PS3 won't have the same legs as PS2 because it evolves in a very different environment than the PS2. The PS2 was such a dominent force that at the start of this generation if you were a consumer wanting to buy a cheap system then the PS2 was the obvious answer. At the start of the next generation, a consumer wanting a cheap console won't have such an easy task deciding which console to buy and many of them will end up buying an XBox 360 or a Wii instead.

I don't think so, infact I think it will be easier. Think about it, we are deep in this gen, and both wii and 360 have been having less and less exclusives where the ps3 is getting more and more. Blu ray is also increasing in popularity, when you can get a blu ray player and a gaming system for 100 bucks which has the most recent and arguably best games (due to devs always improving as time goes on) I think ps3 will be the most likely option. Especially considering that so many 360 games went to ps3 and now that ps3 has move alot of wii games are going there too. PS3 covers by far the most basis and playstation is the strongest name brand in other, so despite the ps2s domination in the start I think ps3 is going to do better in the end.



Moren on 19 August 2011
TruckOSaurus said:
Slaughter said:
Maybe around 2016-2018 really depends on when the wii dies and how good legs ps3 has. Personally I think ps3 will have atleast as good legs as ps2 does since it was made to be future proof and Sony is the strongest brand in other so it all depends on when the wii dies.

The PS3 won't have the same legs as PS2 because it evolves in a very different environment than the PS2. The PS2 was such a dominent force that at the start of this generation if you were a consumer wanting to buy a cheap system then the PS2 was the obvious answer. At the start of the next generation, a consumer wanting a cheap console won't have such an easy task deciding which console to buy and many of them will end up buying an XBox 360 or a Wii instead.

Or a PS2