snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:
Phoeniks.Wright said:
snakenobi said:
1/Way to rewrite history here. If you weren't aware, the popular prediction back then was something like 80 million for PS3 and 20 million for the Wii by now.
i was talking after the years of launch of both Wii and PS3 noty before them
2/What business stategy? The only one needed is an affordable console with good games on a regular basis. That's it.
no it isn't
you are seeing with phones,pc's and home devices that there is a need for ecosytems and brand mainteinance
nintendo's strategy of coninutally doing new thing is good but very very risky as its hard to innovate constantly especially when you are a sole gaming company and can't innovate technologically
3/No, they just stopped making good games for it.
exactly,if ninty had jkept making good new games and then introduced wiiU then their susccess would have been somwhat guaranteed.
5/Move hasn't been the success you seem to make it look like. It sold a bit, but that's it. And hah at taking risks: the only thing they managed to do is burn through billions of dollars with a safe bet, nothing risky here.
move hasn't been a success but atleast PS3 isn't lacking soemething that Wii had which is what i meant
burn billions of dollars?
blu-ray royalties,ecosytem creation and long term brand relvancy isn't what i would call useless
6/I'm not too sure what you want to say here, but if we're talikng about online, then yes, Nintendo sure is underdevelopped here.
not just online itself.
devices in today's world from pc,phones,consoles aren't living in different worls.they are coming together which is where ninty falls
7/No. Well, at least that would be the smart thing to do. Discontinuing the Wii would be stupid, since they would be cancelling a good revenue stream for no reason.
sure but like you see with 3DS vs DS.when the difference is low then the product image has a threat
It's like the PS2. As for the 3DS, we're seeing a market rejection of the console, and again, disontinuing the DS would be stupid.
no it isn't as PS2 was very popular when PS3 launched.if Wii U would have launched this year on in 2010 fall then the overlap of PS consoles would have applied.
the space between now and then is gonna hurt the brand
market rejection also happens as there is not much of new innovation.
DS can live but ninty can't take DS and say let it go forever as it will not help in long term
8/Wii U and business outlook? Nice one there. Wii U will probably not end up like the Dreamcast, but that's because Nintendo is hell bent on making a GameCube 2, not because of Sony's and Microsoft's strtegies.
yeah i know which is why ninty should correct their actions.they need to understand that decisions should be made according to the buisness enviorment
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@1/: Even so, the predominant industry view was that the Wii was nothing more than a fad that would soon die out, whilst the PS3 would soon hit it's stride with the arrival of a certain game. As you see, this never happened. Your view was the minority view, if not a very small minority.
@3/: The PS3 says hi. The utter dominance of the PS2 thanks to it's huge game library sure didn't helpthe PS3 in any way.
@5/: "burn billions of dollars" means losing billions of dollars. Since it cost Sony so much to develop the technology in the PS3, and they were selling each console at a loss for a few years, they lost billions of dollars during that time. Sure, they established the Blu-ray as the HD format, but it would take a very long time to recuperate those losses if we used just royaltys.
@7/: Not too sure what you meant here.
@2/ and 6/: Business ecosystems aren't so much needed as just being here. They happen by definition automatically. ?Sure, they're shaped by customers and other company's, like distributors and fellow competitors, but ultimately, it is the customer that is king. He will decide what succeeds or not, and in the videogame industry it is the gamer.
Brand maintenance is indeed important, and what is happening here is that Nintendo is destroying the Wii brand with the Wii U. They are trying to present the Wii U as the successor to the Wii, but that's just a sick joke, since the Wii U is like a GameCube, or the anti-Wii. Same for the 3DS: they tried to present it as a successor to the DS, but the brand revolves around 3D, and since people don't want 3D, they are rejecting the 3DS.
Nintendo is an entertainment company, not a technology one. If you look at their 4 most succesful consoles, DS, GameBoy, Wii and NES, they were all technologically behind the times, even when they launched. Nintendo's only focus is to make entertaining games.
Also, that whole idea of one device that does everything has been the computer industry's ( I believe it's them, or someone within, not too sure ) wet dream for years. It never happened. In fact, that was the reason given as to why the NES wouldn't sell. History shows how wrong this line of thought was.
