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Xen on 11 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?

A certain branch of Islam.



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Zkuq on 11 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?

It's a bit hard in a country where you get shot if you don't obey. It's tough enough here in the west where you still have rights if you don't obey.



Kasz216 on 11 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?


You'd be surprised how easy it is to screw up most people just by subtle change of enviroment.

http://www.prisonexp.org/



sapphi_snake on 11 August 2011
Kasz216 said:
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?


You'd be surprised how easy it is to screw up most people just by subtle change of enviroment.

http://www.prisonexp.org/

I actually read about that a couple of weeks ago. I think it was a larger article called 'evil human experiments'. I do wonder if this just proves that most people are just plain evil (the typical cathphrase is 'what happens whenyou put good people in an evil place?', but were those people really 'good people'? Are most people really 'good people'?). I still don't understand why the guys who were supervising that experiment weren't thrown in jail for kidnapping and torture.

Same with the Milgram experiment. You'd think that when you're asked to electrocute another human being the words 'this is torture' would pop in your head, and you'd get the hell out of there and call the police.



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sapphi_snake on 11 August 2011
Zkuq said:
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?

It's a bit hard in a country where you get shot if you don't obey. It's tough enough here in the west where you still have rights if you don't obey.

If no one would obey, would they shoot everybody? Or would there be anyone left to do the shooting?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

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sapphi_snake on 11 August 2011
Xen said:
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?

A certain branch of Islam.

Weren't there 2: Sunni and Shia?



"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"

"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."

                                                                               (The Voice of a Generation and Seece)

"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"

                                                                               (pizzahut451)

Xen on 11 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Xen said:
sapphi_snake said:
huaxiong90 said:

Soldiers generally just follow orders. They're either like kids/mercenaries, or are just afraid of repercussions. It's the high command that needs to be brought down.

Something you should know: The regime is dominated by Alawis. And most of their supporters are also Alawis. There are Alawis that disassociated themselves with the regime, but they haven't joined the protests. The people who are protesting are primarily Syrian Sunnis, with Kurds and some groups of Assyrians.

Now the military and police forces are dominated by Alawis: The army is Alawi majority, the elite Republican Army and 4th Mechanized Division is exclusive Alawi, and the only exception is the air force, which is Sunni majority.

I can bet you anything that the majority of the defected soldiers are Sunnis. The Alawis (with of course, the occasional corrupt Sunni) in the military are either truly a bunch of savages loyal to the regime, or are too afraid to leave either because of fear of execution, or being victims of Sunni hate crimes once Assad is gone.

If the people can just convince the Alawis to join the protests...Assad will be gone before we know it.

Edit: But if they succeed, they must NOT let America or Russia interfere

Sorry, I've never accepted the whole 'just following orders' argument. People have free will, so it's their own choice to do something (even an order from a military superior). Soldiers should be held accountable for whatever horrifc things they commit.

BTW, what is an Alawi?

A certain branch of Islam.

Weren't there 2: Sunni and Shia?

It's considered to be somewhat related to Shia Islam.



huaxiong90 on 11 August 2011
sapphi_snake said:
Xen said:

A certain branch of Islam.

Weren't there 2: Sunni and Shia?

Islam was all under one branch at one point until the assassination of one of the relatives of Prophet Muhammad, a man named Al-Husayn, whom we call "the martyr of martyrs". Then we split into Sunni (the biggest branch) and Twelver Shia Islam (it's a long and debated story on how it happened). Then it began to divide further:

Zaydi Shia

Sufism

Alawi Shia

Fatimi Shia

Ibadhi Islam

Ahmadiyya

Baha'i

Ismaili

Ahbash

Druze

Loooots of 'em, but these are what come to mind. With the exception of the Zaydis, whom equate to nearly half of Yemen's population, and Alawis, whom are a significant minority in Syria, they're all pretty small communities.

 

Now as for soldiers: This is humanity. You're placing too much stock in their ability to think and/or especially act for themselves under such a repressive regime. The people on top have stronger authority on the soldiers than you can imagine.

Let's just hope we see more mass defections.



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richardhutnik on 13 August 2011
manuel said:
For once they did something cool!

As they have moved away from the 4Chan roots, they have been doing more decent things.  They just have some way off stuff sometimes, which comes from an organization that consists of people voluntarily raising the Anonymous banner to do things in secret.  With this comes a wide range of good and bad.