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TadpoleJackson said:
Joelcool7 said:

Well I know that actual developers post on NeoGaf, we don't get that many developers coming out and identifying themselves here on VGChartz. The one developer I remember was from now Disney Interactive, he was very happy that a few users on this site enjoyed Tron. But I haven't heard of any other developers coming on and chatting.

Twesterm is a developer at... somewhere... that studio that made Ghostbusters. We also have a dev around here somewhere that works at Kalypso... 


Viper1 is in the game industry in some way (I forget).  He posts "inside info" a decent amount here and there. 



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dahuman said:
PearlJam said:
I will tell you, because you can have intelligent conversations on that website without being swarmed by butt-hurt fanboys that derail every thread. I could tell you what people think about VGChartz but I would probably get banned, but I'll give yo a hint it's not so much the website but the community. And the recent articles don't help.


You are really not one to talk when it comes to bias which makes it kinda funny, also, we don't even use that term on here anymore unless you are new and hence won't last very long, because we are number oriented, sales speak louder than opinions when it comes to the success of games or how the masses percieve them, though you are correct on the articles which I don't read for the most part anymore, they are pretty bad. At least VGChartz mods can be communicated with on the forums if there is a misunderstanding or conflict, that's not something I can say about Neogaf since I'm on both sites, of course, that doesn't mean Neogaf is worse than here, we just tolerate trolling much less here.

You can be biased in this forum, as long as it's for the right system ;)

Even if I have my preference, I don't constantly show up in discussions about games I care anothing about mentioning games that have nothing to do with the topic. Most of my negative comments are directed towards users that have been shitting up the thread even though nobody else took issue with that they were saying. But as soon as I say something I get called out on it, which is complete bullshit. This forum tolerates plenty of trolling, it just draws the line on name calling.

It's still not as bad as it was a year ago, but this forum definitely has a reputation for being very biased. Unless you're on the "right team" you can forget about having a real discussion here.



PearlJam said:

This forum tolerates plenty of trolling, it just draws the line on name calling.

 


You should visit my thread 9/11 is a conspiracy not a conspiracy theory.  I believe that at least 3-4 people called people that didn't trust what little info the government gave us as idiots.  I didn't report any of them and tried to approach them with a decent debate.  I believe the last one I called out for name calling has yet to respond to my response.



axumblade said:
scottie said:
VGChartz has a much more strict moderation policy than sites like gaf. Whilst most on VGChartz consider this to be a feature, the majority of the internet consider it a bug.

Scoobes also has a point that simply having established a userbase earlier on can help tremendously

Is VGChartz really that strict in comparison to a site that bans users for mentioning VGChartz? (Or did they finally stop that ridiculousness?)


Neither is really "more strict" than the other.  They just approach moderation in different ways.  Neogaf basically just tells its mods to get rid of the assholes and idiots, or anybody making it harder to have a good discussion on the forum, and there are plenty of guidelines (though few specific rules) to go along with that.  VGChartz, on the other hand, has a much more specific ruleset, which can come off as stricter in some ways, but much more lenient in others.* 

There's also gaf's one strike rule for junior members.  If you break any rule as a junior, you're gone for good.  Of course, you become a full member after just two months if you post enough.

I find on gaf, you'll have people making subtle jabs at each of the big three as much as you find on here, but the difference is that people generally just take such comments as the jokes that they are, and you have less people getting all offended over what are actually fairly innocent posts.  This is why you often find people saying "I wouldn't have been banned for saying that on gaf!", because on gaf you're less likely to have somebody getting irate and running to a moderator (or just derailing the thread). 

But at the same time, these people aren't always correct when saying they "wouldn't have been banned."  Tossing out terms like "butt-hurt fanboys" won't get you very far on gaf either.

*And some of these rules are rarely enforced.  I wish the deceptive/baiting thread title rule was enforced more often.  *looks at the Dark Souls thread in general gaming*

scottie said:
badgenome said:
scottie said:
VGChartz has a much more strict moderation policy than sites like gaf.

How do you figure? Between the ~6 month waiting period for account approval and people getting permbanned left and right (especially juniors), NeoGAF seems far stricter.


I was kind of trying to be polite to Gaf.

 

If your opinions are the same as the mods, you can troll all you want and not get banned. If you like things that the mods don't you will obviously get a permaban on Gaf. That's why people go there, they don't have to put up with all the dissenting opinions that they would find on sites like this one.


This is rarely, if ever true these days.  Especially since Dragona and Lyre were de-modded and kicked off the site.  Honestly, I would say the issue of VGChartz is the only issue where gaf acts incredibly one sided.

Even when Duckroll goes crazy in Anime threads or Amir0x starts ranting in Kinect threads, you don't see people getting banned for merely disagreeing with their opinion.  While some mods used to do that, they are no longer mods for that very reason.

Actually, I'd like you to find me any recent example of this happening.  If you're willing.



okr said:
I'm not very familiar with Neogaf but every time I check their gaming forum I find more interesting threads to read at one glance than on VGC in a month. Also: They actually have more than 3 people who are or were PC gamers.

VGC's strength in comparison to other sites has always been the sales and industry discussions. Not anymore. The only sales discussion we have these days are EU or NA or WW Up where many posts cheer for a random game on a Sony console that sold more than 5000 copies last week.

Yeah, that's why i mostly stay in off topic.

I remember when the kind of silly fanboy opinions that ruin sales threads and industry posts were the minority, and a lot of people actually were curious about the truth of things through actual empiracle analysis.



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spurgeonryan said:

Are you saying that some how fanboys are just skipping neogaf?


Not at all.   Though I would say fanboys are usually weeded out easier on gaf, thanks to a combination of factors like the first strike rule and gaf's harsher attitude towards certain types of actions.

Some of the topics of their Member Etiquette section sum it up nicely:

Don't make garbage threads

Be polite, please

Don't do annoying things

Don't derail threads (though this is often ignored so long as the derailment is funny)

Gaf just puts up with less bullshit, while not being as strict when it comes to specific acts of trolling or flaming. 

Gaf's model lends itself to abuse, but it works well when you have the right crew in charge, which is the case right now.  In fact, one of their current moderators is one of my favorites from VGChartz's early days.



The only thing I dislike about Neogaf is that the forums are way too fast. Reading threads is hard, since by the time I get to them they have a huge amount of posts



Joelcool7 said:

I just don't get why we have such inferior numbers to NeoGaf, VGChartz may not have all the latest news but at least they have it. VGChartz has all the latest sales figures not NeoGaf so wth? We have great members known all over the internet yet we don't get as many members posting here.

Why do gamers prefer NeoGaf and some other forums to VGChartz? I really would like to hear what makes other sites more attractive?

I mean to me community and features and staff support is what makes me choose a forum. Other forums lack VGChartz finesse so why do people even go to them?

wow i'm known all over the web? awsume! i've finaly found fame.

 

 

i just went to neogaf and saw nothing interesting so i don't see myself going there even if i get permaband from VGC and that was just the homepage.

not sure about the rest though. our community even with VGC most established members may need a face lift and simplified features. a new way of doing things. improve and keep wht works.

our best members with the exception of Rol seem to be mostly MIA in the forums, but when theres nothing to talk about wht do you do? 

1 question! do we here at VGC really care wht people from other sites think about us? god i hope not.

looks like our community will have to make changes and work closer together to get the quality that we expect. mod's and administraters can't do it alone so lets continue to make suggestions to improve VGC.

 



Kasz216 said:
okr said:
I'm not very familiar with Neogaf but every time I check their gaming forum I find more interesting threads to read at one glance than on VGC in a month. Also: They actually have more than 3 people who are or were PC gamers.

VGC's strength in comparison to other sites has always been the sales and industry discussions. Not anymore. The only sales discussion we have these days are EU or NA or WW Up where many posts cheer for a random game on a Sony console that sold more than 5000 copies last week.

Yeah, that's why i mostly stay in off topic.

I remember when the kind of silly fanboy opinions that ruin sales threads and industry posts were the minority, and a lot of people actually were curious about the truth of things through actual empiracle analysis.

that surely has changed as of late hasn't it, or is this the calm before the storm?



makingmusic476 said:
axumblade said:
scottie said:

 

 

scottie said:
I was kind of trying to be polite to Gaf.

 

If your opinions are the same as the mods, you can troll all you want and not get banned. If you like things that the mods don't you will obviously get a permaban on Gaf. That's why people go there, they don't have to put up with all the dissenting opinions that they would find on sites like this one.


This is rarely, if ever true these days.  Especially since Dragona and Lyre were de-modded and kicked off the site.  Honestly, I would say the issue of VGChartz is the only issue where gaf acts incredibly one sided.

Even when Duckroll goes crazy in Anime threads or Amir0x starts ranting in Kinect threads, you don't see people getting banned for merely disagreeing with their opinion.  While some mods used to do that, they are no longer mods for that very reason.

Actually, I'd like you to find me any recent example of this happening.  If you're willing.


I shall make no attempt to find a recent example, I was commenting just from my experience, which is not particularly recent. Anyway, good to hear they may have gotten their act together.