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Final-Fan on 07 August 2011
Squilliam said:
Neogaf has one forum feature which is lacking here. They have people worth reading.

Squilliam, you need to work on your self esteem issues! 



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Squilliam on 07 August 2011
Final-Fan said:
Squilliam said:
Neogaf has one forum feature which is lacking here. They have people worth reading.

Squilliam, you need to work on your self esteem issues! 

High self esteem leads to crime.



Tease.

Joelcool7 on 07 August 2011
Squilliam said:
Final-Fan said:
Squilliam said:
Neogaf has one forum feature which is lacking here. They have people worth reading.

Squilliam, you need to work on your self esteem issues! 

High self esteem leads to crime.

Well I know that actual developers post on NeoGaf, we don't get that many developers coming out and identifying themselves here on VGChartz. The one developer I remember was from now Disney Interactive, he was very happy that a few users on this site enjoyed Tron. But I haven't heard of any other developers coming on and chatting.

However honestly Viper and Smeags are both well known outside of VGChartz. We have some talented posters. Not to mention in all these years I haven't seen many threads on NeoGaf that actually give VGChartz user made threads much of a run for their money.



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scottie on 07 August 2011
Xen said:
scottie said:
badgenome said:
scottie said:
VGChartz has a much more strict moderation policy than sites like gaf.

How do you figure? Between the ~6 month waiting period for account approval and people getting permbanned left and right (especially juniors), NeoGAF seems far stricter.


I was kind of trying to be polite to Gaf.

 

If your opinions are the same as the mods, you can troll all you want and not get banned. If you like things that the mods don't you will obviously get a permaban on Gaf. That's why people go there, they don't have to put up with all the dissenting opinions that they would find on sites like this one.

What is the point of a forum w/o dissent?


It's every internet fanboy's dream



Xen on 07 August 2011
scottie said:
Xen said:
scottie said:
badgenome said:
scottie said:
VGChartz has a much more strict moderation policy than sites like gaf.

How do you figure? Between the ~6 month waiting period for account approval and people getting permbanned left and right (especially juniors), NeoGAF seems far stricter.


I was kind of trying to be polite to Gaf.

 

If your opinions are the same as the mods, you can troll all you want and not get banned. If you like things that the mods don't you will obviously get a permaban on Gaf. That's why people go there, they don't have to put up with all the dissenting opinions that they would find on sites like this one.

What is the point of a forum w/o dissent?


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dahuman on 07 August 2011
PearlJam said:
I will tell you, because you can have intelligent conversations on that website without being swarmed by butt-hurt fanboys that derail every thread. I could tell you what people think about VGChartz but I would probably get banned, but I'll give yo a hint it's not so much the website but the community. And the recent articles don't help.


You are really not one to talk when it comes to bias which makes it kinda funny, also, we don't even use that term on here anymore unless you are new and hence won't last very long, because we are number oriented, sales speak louder than opinions when it comes to the success of games or how the masses percieve them, though you are correct on the articles which I don't read for the most part anymore, they are pretty bad. At least VGChartz mods can be communicated with on the forums if there is a misunderstanding or conflict, that's not something I can say about Neogaf since I'm on both sites, of course, that doesn't mean Neogaf is worse than here, we just tolerate trolling much less here.



dahuman on 07 August 2011
RolStoppable said:
Content is more important than features. I don't visit NeoGaf, but I assume that over there it's actually possible to have good discussions which attracts people. Their sign up program and moderation probably also gets rid quite easily of those people whose only intent it is to cause trouble.

VGC's main advantage (sales data and graphs) has diminished to the point where it isn't a real advantage anymore. The rest of the site is of questionable quality at best, so it's no wonder that so many of our good community members left.


na, what you get there are a lot of comments, and some funny ass OTs like Dragon Age or Dragon Age II ones which are hilarious.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=378063

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=422971



makingmusic476 on 08 August 2011
Joelcool7 said:

****** Disclaimer, this thread was written to talk about why a forum with fewer features and lower quality gets more support then VGChartz. It is not meant to be an attack on the user base of any forum including VGChartz. It also isn't meant to directly attack the integrity of any site. Rather it is meant to simply ask, what is so appealing about NeoGaf specifically or any other gaming forum*******

 

Alright so I have been on game forums since the 90's. My favorite forum was the Nintendo N-Sider forum back in the day. I mean it was Nintendo's official forum and their were definate perks to being a member. Nintendo used to give promotional things away to users and you could get your posts into Nintendo Power. You could even become a sage in which you got to work with Nintendo employees.

I went from that forum to a way weaker forum NintendoNow of the E-Mpire network. It was a basic forum but their was a sense of community and I met Viper their. However quickly I followed Smeags a fellow N-Sider vetern to a forum I had never been to before, VGChartz. VGChartz offered features no other forum did a quick glance at someone's tag showed you which consoles they owned and what games they are playing. You could earn points etc...etc.. from posting and the bias of users wasn't that drastic. Despite all the changes that have occured VGChartz has remained the most proffesionally looking and runned gaming forum on the internet.

Then recently I heard mention of how NeoGaf is ruling the forum industry. Now I remember going to NeoGaf years ago to check it out after N-Sider shut down. I found the forum was home to many developers and many intelligent users. However the site did seem like every other forum at the time. So I just recently heard about NeoGaf rocking VGChartz numbers wise. So I go to see the forum and man its like travelling back in time. The forum looks like something out of the ninties it has no unique features it doesn't even have a news site, it lacks a video streaming part. All in all when comparing it to even the likes of 1Up its a disaster.

So this gets me thinking, VGChartz is clearly one of the best made gaming forum's on the internet. So why do people go to NeoGaf? I mean I could go online and make a prettier forum using free software and little programming knowledge. Infact Teh Bat Cave one of the forums I helped found years ago looked better.

So why do gamers prefer such an inferior (feature and visual wise) forum like NeoGaf to VGChartz? Why do developers and industry folks post more and take NeoGaf more seriously when the site itself looks like crap?

I just don't get why we have such inferior numbers to NeoGaf, VGChartz may not have all the latest news but at least they have it. VGChartz has all the latest sales figures not NeoGaf so wth? We have great members known all over the internet yet we don't get as many members posting here.

Why do gamers prefer NeoGaf and some other forums to VGChartz? I really would like to hear what makes other sites more attractive?

I mean to me community and features and staff support is what makes me choose a forum. Other forums lack VGChartz finesse so why do people even go to them?

1.  You joined this site long before such features were ever implemented.

2.  A forum is intended to facilitate the discussion of a range of topics between its members.  It doesn't matter how many extra features and whatnot you have if the board design, userbase, and topics don't combine to create good discussion.  It just so happens that, in the opinion of many, the discussion to be found on neogaf is better than that found elsewhere. 

In my opinion this is due to both its board design and its moderating, the latter of which has an impact on its userbase and variety of topics.

Also, I'd argue that not having to view countless gifs and other images between each post in a thread on neogaf makes it "visually superior", but that's just me.  Of course, I turned off sigs here long ago.  I just want to read people's posts.  All that other stuff is fluff that makes that task more difficult.



sethnintendo on 08 August 2011
makingmusic476 said:

Also, I'd argue that not having to view countless gifs and other images between each post in a thread on neogaf makes it "visually superior", but that's just me.  Of course, I turned off sigs here long ago.


Same with me...  It used to not be so bad having the sigs viewable.  However, more and more users started putting huge pics in their sigs, etc...  That is when I drew the line and disabled sigs (even if the user has a sig that is within the constraints it is still too much for me).  I'd even argue that they should make the size of the avatar the same for everyone.  Mine is pretty stretched out and I wouldn't mind if it was shrunk some.  I could do it myself but I am too lazy.



TadpoleJackson on 08 August 2011
Joelcool7 said:

Well I know that actual developers post on NeoGaf, we don't get that many developers coming out and identifying themselves here on VGChartz. The one developer I remember was from now Disney Interactive, he was very happy that a few users on this site enjoyed Tron. But I haven't heard of any other developers coming on and chatting.

Twesterm is a developer at... somewhere... that studio that made Ghostbusters. We also have a dev around here somewhere that works at Kalypso...