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The new handheld generation is still on diapers and people is going crazy already:

“PS Vita’s quite expensive,” said Takeda, 36, an event planner in Tokyo, who owns both a PlayStation Portable and Nintendo Co. DS handheld machine. “I don’t think I’ll be one of those people rushing to buy it on the release date.”

Takeda helps illustrate why pressure is building on Sony to cut prices of its newest game machine after Nintendo slashed the cost of its new 3-D portable player to as low as $169 and as more gamers flock to Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and iPad to play titles such as Rovio Mobile Oy’s “Angry Birds.”

Kazuo Hirai, Sony Chairman Howard Stringer’s top lieutenant, signaled yesterday the company won’t engage in a price war with Nintendo.

“Gamers are increasingly anticipating Sony to lower prices, especially after the 3DS cut,” said Hideki Yasuda, a Tokyo-based analyst at Ace Securities Co. “Sony is under major pressure to cut the price of the Vita or risk a major failure.”

U.S. consumers will be able to lay their hands on PlayStation Vita, the successor for the model that went on sale in 2004, after Christmas, starting at $249 to $299 for a 3G version. Japanese consumers will be able to buy the Vita, which feature an organic light-emitting diode display and touchpads at the back, by the end of this year from 24,980 yen ($313) to 29,980 yen.

“We have a very good product at a very affordable price,” Hirai, president of Sony’s Consumer & Products Services group, said. “There’s no need to lower the price just because somebody else that happens to be in the video game industry decided they were going to.”

Sony, which lost 34 percent of its market value this year, rose 0.1 percent to close at 1,925 yen in Tokyo yesterday. Nintendo climbed 1.1 percent to 11,950 yen in Osaka, narrowing its loss this year to 50 percent.

Reviving demand at the games division is key for Hirai, the frontrunner to succeed Stringer as the head of Sony, as the company faces an eighth consecutive year of losses at the main television business and the online service recovers from its worst hacker attack ever.
Cutting Forecasts

Last week, the maker of Bravia televisions and Walkman music players cut its full-year profit forecast 25 percent, citing sluggish demand for TVs. Nintendo lowered its annual profit forecast 82 percent.

Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft Corp. (MSFT), maker of the Xbox 360 and Kinect gaming devices, are confronting new competitors in the gaming industry who are beginning to reshape the field.

Among them is Cupertino, California-based Apple, which estimates it’s sold more than 200 million mobile devices capable of downloading and playing games. Apple’s App Store offers a choice of more than 100,000 game and entertainment applications to users of the iPad, iPhone and iPod Touch.

“The market opportunity for specialist devices is shrinking rather than growing” because of the convergence of activities into a single device, said Piers Harding-Rolls, a senior analyst at a research firm IHS.

“Angry Birds,” a popular mobile-phone game where players slingshot birds at pigs hiding behind barricaded wood and stone shelters, is aiming for 100 million downloads in China alone. Customers are also flocking to online games such as ‘Farmville’ and ‘Cityville’ on Facebook Inc.’s social-networking site.

“The environment for portable game players has become more difficult because of smartphones,” said Koki Shiraishi, an analyst at Daiwa Securities Group Inc., who estimates shipments of the PS Vita will be about half of the PlayStation Portable sold during the product’s first two years.

Hirai isn’t alone in expecting Sony to resist price cuts.

“The customers Sony is targeting with its Vita are those willing to spend a lot of money,” said Shiro Mikoshiba, an analyst at Nomura Holdings Inc. in Tokyo. “That’s a valid strategy even if the volume’s low as long as it can sustain the higher price.”

Sony is unlikely to cut prices until next year, said Harding-Rolls, a London-based analyst at IHS. The company may sell 36 million PlayStation Vitas by 2015, short of the 46 million PSPs sold at the same stage of its lifecycle, he wrote in an e-mail.

“If strong titles aren’t there for Vita, there is a risk I might have to cut my targets,” said Kazuharu Miura, an analyst at SMBC Nikko Securities Inc. in Tokyo, who expects Vita sales will reach 2.5 million units by March.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-08-04/sony-under-pressure-to-cut-playstation-vita-price-after-nintendo.html



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Man i swear people act like apple is gonna kill the handheld market or something. Sony will be fine.



Vita to sell 10M less units than PSP by same point in lifetime? Sorry, I just don't see it.

The PSP had the advantage that it was assumed by consumers, developers and analysts that it would assume. This is gone of course.

However, PSP has built up a loyal fanbase, particularly in Japan, and a developer base who are willing to put games on the system. Additionally, the 3DS seems likely to be a slightly weaker competitor than the DS was. These advantages should be able to counteract the disadvantage above, PSV sales should stay in the range of 95%-125% of PSP's at the same point in lifetime.



doom time :D man summer is a boring time isn't it

and again, as long as the sales meet the expectations set by sony, psv = fine. simple as that. I don't expect it to outsell 3ds but it will do well in its own right. both devices will do just fine.



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Article reads like crap. Just stupid investor speak. I don't give a crap about Apple's stock symbol and why did they say "Nintendo co" when everyone calls it Nintendo. And 3-D portable player? lol. And people flocking to Farmville? I haven't heard of someone playing that for about a year.



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VetteDude said:
Article reads like crap. Just stupid investor speak. I don't give a crap about Apple's stock symbol and why did they say "Nintendo co" when everyone calls it Nintendo. And 3-D portable player? lol. And people flocking to Farmville? I haven't heard of someone playing that for about a year.


Actually I never hear of people playing that lol.



           

The PSV at $250 is a steal... The 3DS can drop it's price to $150 and I don't see it having a major effect on the PSV's sales. Let me explain... In my opinion, the two devices have two different target markets, for the most part. The 3DS is targeting a younger population, while the PSV is targeting the more mature individuals. I can tell you as a customer I will buy the 3DS for my daughter, but only when it reaches a more affordable price point ($125)... But will buy the PSV, for myself, day one. Why? Because of perceived value... as mentioned before, in my opinion the PSV at $250 is a steal... that and my daughter is still enjoying her DSi, therefore I see no reason to rush in buying a 3DS. The PSV will be just fine.



While we are weeks/months away from knowing the true impact of the 3DS' price cut, if it does turn out that the 3DS' sales see a significant sustained increase due to the price reduction (which is likely) it could be said that the $250 price tag of the 3DS was a major factor in its poor sales performance ... and this would certainly not be a good indicator for Sony.

Time and time again it has been demonstrated that consumers do not value a system based on its price compared to its manufacturing costs they value it based on the cost of the system compared to the benefit its basic functionality adds for them; and they generally will see systems as being (roughly) of equal value if they are of a similar age in a similar role. For example, a $250 Wii that is sold at a significant profit over its manufacturing cost was seen by consumers as a much better value than a $400 XBox 360 or $600 PS3 even though both Sony and Microsoft were losing money on the sale of each system.

While a $250/$300 PS Vita may be a great value based on certain metrics, the fact that it is being sold at/above a price level where the 3DS struggled brings to question whether the mass market will accept any system that is sold at/above $250 at this point in time.



Advantages psv has over psp
-$20 less of a gap in price point with Nintendo's console
-More third party support, 153 third party devs and making something for it in addition to Sony, psp only had 100 games in development before it launched
-Touch screen, touch pad, dual analogue accelerometer ect.
-Slick flash media instead of bulky annoying UMDs
-Phone+psn level games
-More ps3 compatibility (transferable games, better remote play, usable as controller in games, ect.)
-Digital psp BC


Disadvantages
Phone games as competition?

How the hell do people think it's going to do worse then the psp, that doesn't seem possible at the moment.



Vita will need good games to sell at 249$/300$. If not it will have a slow start like the 3DS. But the phone segment isnt problematic, "angry bird" is just like "tetris" or "solitaire", everyone like them, but the video game fan arent satisfy only with this.