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RolStoppable said:
yo_john117 said:
Dsage I have never seen a more misinformed post in my entire life. What Viper1 said is a 100% true.
As for me I vote for the lesser of the two evils everytime an election comes around.

I take it, you've never read a Joelcool7 post. Doesn't matter if he talks about video games, politics, marriage etc.

I don't really pay attention to him lol.



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ill say republic, since democrat didnt do much to the government



yo_john117 said:
RolStoppable said:
yo_john117 said:
Dsage I have never seen a more misinformed post in my entire life. What Viper1 said is a 100% true.
As for me I vote for the lesser of the two evils everytime an election comes around.

I take it, you've never read a Joelcool7 post. Doesn't matter if he talks about video games, politics, marriage etc.

I don't really pay attention to him lol.

look at my other posts. Where I have showed prrof to everyhting I said.



Viper1 said:
dsage01 said:
Viper1 said:
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

1. I support neither branch as they are simply two heads of the same bird.

2. Your post is so full of misinformation I don't even know where to begin.   I'll just sum it up for you.  BOTH PARTIES SUCK.  They are both as responponsible as the other.  You can't point the finger at the other party for cutting the wings off the chicken when your own party ran over the damn thing.

See my other post. It proves how "misleading" my post is

It's still quite misleading.   You're acting like just because the Republican cut the head off that it's OK the Democrats ripped the arms and legs off. 

Go look up bad democrats.  Take that same microscope and put the D's under it.  Don't question 1 side of the equation because you'll always get the wrong answer when you do.

I never said Democrats were good did I? I just said that they were better than Republican's in my opinon



Baalzamon said:
dsage01 said:
 

And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them.

Funny you say the Republicans treat us like shit.  As a self employed individual making less than $100,000 per year, I'm paying 10.4% (Usually 12.4%) of all my income for Social Security.  I'm also paying 2.9% on all of my income for medicare.  We are talking 13.3% (Usually 15.3%) of all my income being taken away for 2 programs that I, quite honestly, don't know if I will ever get anything back for.  These programs just happened to be started by the Democrats.

I PLEAD for you to find where the Republicans, who, mind you, treat us middle and lower class citizens so fucking shitty, have ever made a deal that fucks us out of 15% of our income.


15% that it!!!!!!! I know in New Jersey they started this new thing that there is no taxes on clothes, shoes e.t.c. And at least the democrats treat everyone fairly. Repbulican's take no to little taxes on big companies. And what the fuck did the Republican's do to help the people that suffered during 9/11? Nothing just fucking nothing. All they said were some bullshit statements. I'm not saying democrats are good but they are a lot better than the Republican's in my view.



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dsage01 said:
yo_john117 said:
RolStoppable said:
yo_john117 said:
Dsage I have never seen a more misinformed post in my entire life. What Viper1 said is a 100% true.
As for me I vote for the lesser of the two evils everytime an election comes around.

I take it, you've never read a Joelcool7 post. Doesn't matter if he talks about video games, politics, marriage etc.

I don't really pay attention to him lol.

look at my other posts. Where I have showed prrof to everyhting I said.

No your OP is almost entirely innacurate.



dsage01 said:


15% that it!!!!!!! I know in New Jersey they started this new thing that there is no taxes on clothes, shoes e.t.c. And at least the democrats treat everyone fairly. Repbulican's take no to little taxes on big companies. And what the fuck did the Republican's do to help the people that suffered during 9/11? Nothing just fucking nothing. All they said were some bullshit statements. I'm not saying democrats are good but they are a lot better than the Republican's in my view.

We have a whopping sales tax of around 7% here (it is different depending on the city).  The 15% has already been taken off of my income (not to mention other taxes), so that income is on about 70% of my money.  So the "real" tax value of a sales tax is more like 4.9% of our actual income.  This isn't even mentioning the fact that you only don't get charged sales tax for certain necessary items such as food and clothes.  Having an incentive such as that isn't even CLOSE to having 15% of my total income being taken away from me.

Also, I would LOVE to hear what exactly is your definition of "fair" in regards to how democrats treat people.  I'm always confused when people say democrats treat people more fair.  Please explain to me why if I were to make $1,000,000 in income, I should have (for example) 35% of my income taxed, but if somebody makes $100,000, they should only have (for example) 29% of their income taxed  (%'s were made up).  Are these rich people receiving more benefits from society that the middle class aren't getting?  Are the rich not driving on the exact same roads as the poor?  Are the rich not walking on the same sidewalks as the poor?  Are the rich not using the same public transportation as the poor?  Are the rich receiving defense worth 35% of their money, but the middle class are only receiving defense worth 29% of their money?  Are the rich getting better teachers, better public schools, better state universities than the middle class are getting?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

The rich are getting the exact same services that the less wealthy people in our country are getting.  So tell me why, JUST WHY, it is fair for the rich to be paying 35% taxes but the less wealthy to be paying 29% taxes.

You want fair?  Fair is everybody pays the exact same tax rate, except those underneath a certain level (i.e. $20,000 or $30,000 or some other low number where paying taxes would deter from their ability to live at least a healthy life (by healthy, I mean having a place to live, being able to eat, along with a couple other essential things in life...cell phones, video games, and other luxuries are not essential to life)).

How about now we talk about services that help the poor.  Am I fine with helping out a family that is having a really hard time in life?  Sure I am!  I'm all for helping a family out for a year who things just didn't go right for.  But 1 year is plenty of time to get 2 full time jobs at McDonalds and be making $32,000 per year (at $8 per hour).  How about helping families who have a child with a disease or problem?  I'm all for helping them.  Stuff like that can be very expensive, and I think it is just fine that the government provides help for them.

You know what I'm not fine with?  The fact that I tried very hard in school, and some people didn't give a fucking shit about school.  Some of these people go on to have difficulty in their life, and wind up living on government handouts.  Why the fuck should I be paying for people that just didn't give a rat's ass about school?  The fact that I have to pay this isn't fair.

How about the banking industry.  Lets go back to the 1990's, in the Clinton era.  It is obviously only fair that EVERYBODY should be able to get a loan.  Whether or not they can actually afford it, they should defiantly be able to go live in a house.  Yes, that is right, this absolute bullshit where anybody could walk in and get a loan all started in the Clinton era.  Why is it fair that everybody should be able to get a loan?  If you can't afford a god damned loan, you shouldn't be given a loan.  But nope, that just isn't fair...everybody should be able to live in a house.  Well, take a wild guess at what happened?  People started defaulting on their loans.  It doesn't work to just loan money to anybody out there.  Not to mention, how the fuck is it "fair" to just give loans to everybody.  We aren't just entitled to live in a house that requires a loan beyond our means.  That is why apartments, and other forms of cheaper living exist.

But you know what?  I've realized already that certain things in life simply aren't fair.  There is no if's, and's, or but's.  Certain things simply aren't fair.  But to say that the Democrats treat everybody fairly because they help out poor people, and want rich people to pay more taxes, etc., is a lie that I am so SICK and tired of hearing, it is just becoming unbearable.

Oh, I just thought I would mention one more thing very quickly.  While I can't find the link to it, a friend showed me several years back an article in regards to the average income of democrats and republicans, as well as the average donations of republicans and democrats.  The average democrat made slightly more (it surprised me) money than the average republican, but donated SIGNIFICANTLY less money per year on average than republicans.  I just wanted to say this because people always act as if the democrats care so much more about the needy than the republicans, yet the republicans are the ones that are giving considerably more money to the needy.



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Baalzamon said:
dsage01 said:


15% that it!!!!!!! I know in New Jersey they started this new thing that there is no taxes on clothes, shoes e.t.c. And at least the democrats treat everyone fairly. Repbulican's take no to little taxes on big companies. And what the fuck did the Republican's do to help the people that suffered during 9/11? Nothing just fucking nothing. All they said were some bullshit statements. I'm not saying democrats are good but they are a lot better than the Republican's in my view.

We have a whopping sales tax of around 7% here (it is different depending on the city).  The 15% has already been taken off of my income (not to mention other taxes), so that income is on about 70% of my money.  So the "real" tax value of a sales tax is more like 4.9% of our actual income.  This isn't even mentioning the fact that you only don't get charged sales tax for certain necessary items such as food and clothes.  Having an incentive such as that isn't even CLOSE to having 15% of my total income being taken away from me.

Also, I would LOVE to hear what exactly is your definition of "fair" in regards to how democrats treat people.  I'm always confused when people say democrats treat people more fair.  Please explain to me why if I were to make $1,000,000 in income, I should have (for example) 35% of my income taxed, but if somebody makes $100,000, they should only have (for example) 29% of their income taxed  (%'s were made up).  Are these rich people receiving more benefits from society that the middle class aren't getting?  Are the rich not driving on the exact same roads as the poor?  Are the rich not walking on the same sidewalks as the poor?  Are the rich not using the same public transportation as the poor?  Are the rich receiving defense worth 35% of their money, but the middle class are only receiving defense worth 29% of their money?  Are the rich getting better teachers, better public schools, better state universities than the middle class are getting?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!

The rich are getting the exact same services that the less wealthy people in our country are getting.  So tell me why, JUST WHY, it is fair for the rich to be paying 35% taxes but the less wealthy to be paying 29% taxes.

You want fair?  Fair is everybody pays the exact same tax rate, except those underneath a certain level (i.e. $20,000 or $30,000 or some other low number where paying taxes would deter from their ability to live at least a healthy life (by healthy, I mean having a place to live, being able to eat, along with a couple other essential things in life...cell phones, video games, and other luxuries are not essential to life)).

How about now we talk about services that help the poor.  Am I fine with helping out a family that is having a really hard time in life?  Sure I am!  I'm all for helping a family out for a year who things just didn't go right for.  But 1 year is plenty of time to get 2 full time jobs at McDonalds and be making $32,000 per year (at $8 per hour).  How about helping families who have a child with a disease or problem?  I'm all for helping them.  Stuff like that can be very expensive, and I think it is just fine that the government provides help for them.

You know what I'm not fine with?  The fact that I tried very hard in school, and some people didn't give a fucking shit about school.  Some of these people go on to have difficulty in their life, and wind up living on government handouts.  Why the fuck should I be paying for people that just didn't give a rat's ass about school?  The fact that I have to pay this isn't fair.

How about the banking industry.  Lets go back to the 1990's, in the Clinton era.  It is obviously only fair that EVERYBODY should be able to get a loan.  Whether or not they can actually afford it, they should defiantly be able to go live in a house.  Yes, that is right, this absolute bullshit where anybody could walk in and get a loan all started in the Clinton era.  Why is it fair that everybody should be able to get a loan?  If you can't afford a god damned loan, you shouldn't be given a loan.  But nope, that just isn't fair...everybody should be able to live in a house.  Well, take a wild guess at what happened?  People started defaulting on their loans.  It doesn't work to just loan money to anybody out there.  Not to mention, how the fuck is it "fair" to just give loans to everybody.  We aren't just entitled to live in a house that requires a loan beyond our means.  That is why apartments, and other forms of cheaper living exist.

But you know what?  I've realized already that certain things in life simply aren't fair.  There is no if's, and's, or but's.  Certain things simply aren't fair.  But to say that the Democrats treat everybody fairly because they help out poor people, and want rich people to pay more taxes, etc., is a lie that I am so SICK and tired of hearing, it is just becoming unbearable.

Oh, I just thought I would mention one more thing very quickly.  While I can't find the link to it, a friend showed me several years back an article in regards to the average income of democrats and republicans, as well as the average donations of republicans and democrats.  The average democrat made slightly more (it surprised me) money than the average republican, but donated SIGNIFICANTLY less money per year on average than republicans.  I just wanted to say this because people always act as if the democrats care so much more about the needy than the republicans, yet the republicans are the ones that are giving considerably more money to the needy.


Whopping 7%! And that too is not on everything! We have 13% tax for every god damn thing no matter what (In Ontario) and on top of that the Canadian dollar is worth more than the U.S. dollar and we still have to pay the same or more on goods! And don't even get started about the income tax. What an average American with a family of four only has to take off $1100 dollars for there medical care. For that we have to pay something called "harmoniesed sales tax" which is 13% tax on every god damn thing! Okay no lets get back to topic. I'm glad that you worked hard in school and did well but what about those people who didn't even get to go to school? And before you start criticzing those people think about this the average poor/ lower class American works about 40+ hours a week! They do deserve something right? And you know the reason why the States is in this condition now? It's because the republican's hardly took taxes from the rich. They weren't so bad on the poor/ middle class but in the state it was in they needed to take taxes from those big companies and the rich to fix the situation they were in. Don't even get me started about the all the big companies in Wall Street that made billions, no trillions of dollars just in profits and ended up paying NO and I mean NO fucking tax at all! Infact they helped those big companies out with middle class taxes aka the tax your paying to help those companies instead of actually taking tax from them. The Republican's moto is "less taxes" but the truth is that they only mean that for the rich people. They still take the same amount of tax from them. You have to look beyond that my friend. Do you have any ideas where the taxes were going when you payed the Republican's or when you payed the Democrats? You should really take a good look at it.  



yo_john117 said:
dsage01 said:
yo_john117 said:
RolStoppable said:
yo_john117 said:
Dsage I have never seen a more misinformed post in my entire life. What Viper1 said is a 100% true.
As for me I vote for the lesser of the two evils everytime an election comes around.

I take it, you've never read a Joelcool7 post. Doesn't matter if he talks about video games, politics, marriage etc.

I don't really pay attention to him lol.

look at my other posts. Where I have showed prrof to everyhting I said.

No your OP is almost entirely innacurate.

I'm not taking about the OP. Although I should change that because I did write some crap there with no proof what so ever when I just woke up. 



Kasz216 said:

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

The only reason that looks impressive to you is because someone put it all down in one big list.

Put scandals for democrats in the same timeframe, or say, the last two years, over the course of the entire country, including things like radio personalities or anyone who has professed to be part of one party, and you'll find just as much stuff.

I mean shit, any nutball can make a list.

http://conservativeamerican.org/dems-libs-socialists/dems-libs-socialists-obama/obama-administration-scandals-list/1/

http://obamascandalslist.blogspot.com/

Also worth noting the fact that the US has waaaaaaay more people, therefore the amount of scandals is going to be higher then number then just about everyone except India and China (and well, in China this stuff aren't scandals.)

Per capita though... different story.


I never said democrats were angel's did I? And you should actaully read my post next time instead of browsing through it next time. I can already make out you didn't read my post.