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Viper1 on 04 August 2011
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
im a liberal independent(wheres that guy that says i'm a dem.)with some republican ideals(i also get hit for that to)

i say a post saying you can't point the finger at just one party, but he didn't say i couldn't so i blame Republican'ts.

i'm not 1billion yr's old so i can only judge wht i've seen and the party of no(Republcian'ts) have hurt this country far more then the dem's.

You don't have to be older to gain insight into the destruction both parties have caused.  Just do some research.  The Internet is the most incredible research tool the world has ever known.   Read up on the Democrats and then get angry as just how bad they've screwd up too.   It's just not as hip to call out the Democrats as it is to call out the Republicans.

A true Independant critiques all.  Questions the establishment from all angles.   And comes to realize the differnce between a D and R is nothing more than 14 letters.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 August 2011
krizalidzero said:
I wouldn't be either if I was American. There should be AT LEAST a 3rd option.

But Democrats seem to be the less-bad choice most of the time.

well theres always the independents but there the main reason certain presidents get elected, but there not really a party just more of a group of voters that have no party affiliation.

then theres the green party but there not that big so they don't get heard. Obama tried to be everything but republican.

i think i see your point but in America creating a new party from scratch takes to much work.



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Allfreedom99 on 04 August 2011

I would associate my views as conservative with libertarian leanings. In all honesty im against progressiveism, bloated government, and excessive regulation. I want the government out of the way so the free market can work and be successful.

Honestly both parties have done a piss poor job at leading the country. Just look at our national debt, deficits, and debt to GDP ratio. Anyone only pinning blame on republicans relies too much on what liberal leaning media feeds them. The fact is both have been too politically cowardice at tackling the deficits and debt.

The only way America will prosper is if politicians actually get seriousness with the balls to cut wasteful spending no matter the political repercussions. Am I caiming they should immediately just wack entitlement programs off the table. no, because our system has gotten so intertwined with them. Im saying there is wasteful spending everywhere in government across the board, and we the people must demand that government lives within its means. The people have to in order to have a living, why not government?




Allfreedom99 on 04 August 2011
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

I see other people have already corrected you on only blaming one political party.  Just do some serious digging on the internet if you really want to know truth.




MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 August 2011
Viper1 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
im a liberal independent(wheres that guy that says i'm a dem.)with some republican ideals(i also get hit for that to)

i say a post saying you can't point the finger at just one party, but he didn't say i couldn't so i blame Republican'ts.

i'm not 1billion yr's old so i can only judge wht i've seen and the party of no(Republcian'ts) have hurt this country far more then the dem's.

You don't have to be older to gain insight into the destruction both parties have caused.  Just do some research.  The Internet is the most incredible research tool the world has ever known.   Read up on the Democrats and then get angry as just how bad they've screwd up too.   It's just not as hip to call out the Democrats as it is to call out the Republicans.

A true Independant critiques all.  Questions the establishment from all angles.   And comes to realize the differnce between a D and R is nothing more than 14 letters.

realmofo is that you? i'm having an lol moment cause if anybody past this post by and didn't read it there blind to whts really going on and i commend and agree with your post. i'm just admitedly bias, and sometimes i say things to get a rise out of people and make them think or post the truth or some facts.

well done. i do critique both parties and they both make me sick and there for themselves and not the american people and pretend there for world growth when its just another way to bet for or against the global economy to make more money.

i am angry at Dem's but more so republicans. i have no answer for it, but i want everyone to read your post.



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MARCUSDJACKSON on 04 August 2011
Allfreedom99 said:
I would associate my views as conservative with libertarian leanings. In all honesty im against progressiveism, bloated government, and excessive regulation. I want the government out of the way so the free market can work and be successful.

Honestly both parties have done a piss poor job at leading the country. Just look at our national debt, deficits, and debt to GDP ratio. Anyone only pinning blame on republicans relies too much on what liberal leaning media feeds them. The fact is both have been too politically cowardice at tackling the deficits and debt.

The only way America will prosper is if politicians actually get seriousness with the balls to cut wasteful spending no matter the political repercussions. Am I caiming they should immediately just wack entitlement programs off the table. no, because our system has gotten so intertwined with them. Im saying there is wasteful spending everywhere in government across the board, and we the people must demand that government lives within its means. The people have to in order to have a living, why not government?


another great post.



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Kasz216 on 04 August 2011
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

Yeah... I remember back in 06 when the US Liberal government got busted for a huuuuge corruption scandel leading to the Conservatives rise in power.

Seriously though, the US isn't the most corrupt country by far, and not even the most corrupt western democracy.

On topic....

neither, they're both assholes.



dsage01 on 04 August 2011
mrstickball said:
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.


First off, I choose Libertariajn. But anyways, lets go over your fail of a post:

The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all.

Actually, the Democrats have done this as well. GE failed to pay billions last year due to loopholes. Additionally, companies like GE gave millions to the Democrats. Both parties get paid by corporations. Furthermore, when you argue about small businesses: Which party do small businesses vote for? The answer is Republicans. Look at NFIB ratings among all candidates, and you will find that Republicans are rated far and above Democrats by the NFIB (National Federation of Independant Businesses - which is the leading interest group for small businesses).

If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now.

It'd be even better if we removed corporate taxes entirely.

And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now.

So what was that, exactly?

And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them.

Again, how, exactly?

Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

That has nothing to do with Republicans, and everything to do with the federal reserve. Who started the federal reserve? The Democrats (Wilson). Both parties are very happy to see the currency debased. To argue its only republicans is full of fail


Wow and you say my post is misleading?!?! 

 

Actually, the Democrats have done this as well. GE failed to pay billions last year due to loopholes. Additionally, companies like GE gave millions to the Democrats. Both parties get paid by corporations. Furthermore, when you argue about small businesses: Which party do small businesses vote for? The answer is Republicans. Look at NFIB ratings among all candidates, and you will find that Republicans are rated far and above Democrats by the NFIB (National Federation of Independant Businesses - which is the leading interest group for small businesses).

Yes we know that both parties are courrupt but this is what the Republican party did in 2007. Keep in mind these are just some scandals that were caught. And these includes sex scandels, fraud taking millions of dollars from many compaines and not returning the money. And taking a lot of money from small companies to secure government contracts. A couple ratings don't mean shit. 

 

January 23, 2007: Republican radio personality Scott Eller Cortelyou of Denver arrested on suspicion of using the Internet to lure a child into a sexual relationship

January 29, 2007: Republican former Jefferson County, Colorado, Treasurer Mark Paschall indicted on two felony charges "in connection with an allegation that Paschall solicited a kickback from a bonus he awarded one of his employees"

January 31, 2007: Republican Congressman Gary Miller is named by Republicans as ranking member of oversight subcommittee of House Financial Services Committee despite the FBI's investigation into his land deals

February 14, 2007: Major Republican fundraiser Brent Wilkes and former CIA executive director Kyle "Dusty" Foggo are indicted by a grandy jury for corrupting CIA contracts

February 16, 2007: Major Republican donor Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari, aka Michael Mixon, is indicted in federal court on charges of providing material support to terrorists

March 5, 2007: Ethics complaint filed against Republican Senator Pete Domenici for his role in the Attorney Purge scandal

March 6, 2007: I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney found guilty of obstruction of justice and perjury

March 8, 2007: Republican former U.S. Congressman and Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich admits to extramarital affair

March 23, 2007: Former Deputy Interior Secretary J. Steven Griles, an oil and gas lobbyist who became an architect of George W. Bush's energy policies, pleads guilty to obstructing justice by lying to a Senate committee

March 27, 2007: Criminal charges filed against Republican Pennsylvania State Senator Robert Regola in connection with the death of a teenage neighbor who was shot with the senator's gun; he is accused of three counts of perjury, allowing possession of a firearm by a minor, recklessly endangering another person and false swearing

March 27, 2007: Ronald Reagan's budget director, David Stockman, "indicted on charges of defrauding investors and banks of $1.6 billion while chairman of Collins & Aikman Corp., an auto parts maker that collapsed days after he quit"

March 28, 2007: Robert Vellanoweth, a Republican activist and appointee of Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, is arrested on suspicion of gross vehicular manslaughter and felony driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol, after a crash that killed three adults and one child

April 18, 2007: The FBI raids the home of Republican Congressman John Doolittle, investigating his ties to Jack Abramoff

April 19, 2007: The FBI raids a business tied to the family of Republican Congressman Rick Renzi, as part of an investigation into his business dealings

April 23, 2007: The FBI questions Republican Congressman Tom Feeney about his dealings with Jack Abramoff

April 23, 2007: Federal auditors find repeat violations of federal election law from the 2004 Senate campaign of Republican Senator Mel Martinez

April 26, 2007: David Huckabee, son of Republican Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, is arrested at an Arkansas airport after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded gun in his carry-on luggage

May 4, 2007: Bruce Weyhrauch and Pete Kott, former Alaska state Republican legislators, were arrested and accused of soliciting and accepting bribes from the corrupt VECO Corporation

May 4, 2007: Republican state Assemblyman Michael Cole is censured and stripped of his leadership position after the married father of two spent the night at a 21-year-old intern's apartment

May 11, 2007: A field coordinator for Republican Congressman Patrick McHenry is indicted for voter fraud in North Carolina

May 12, 2007: NBC News breaks the story that the FBI is investigating Republican Nevada Governor Jim Gibbons for suspicion of accepting bribes in exchange for securing government contracts

May 15, 2007: Connecticut Republican Party Chairman Chris Healy is arrested for drunk driving (he pled no contest on June 1, but didn't publicly disclose the event until June 11)

May 18, 2007: Republican former South Dakota State Representative Ted Klaudt is charged with eight counts of second-degree rape, two counts of sexual exploitation of a minor, one count of sexual contact with a child younger than 16, two counts of witness tampering and one count of stalking against two foster children in his care

May 21, 2007: Republican state Senate candidate Mark Tate is indicted on nine counts of perjury and two counts of election fraud by a grand jury

June 11, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig is arrested for lewd conduct in the men's bathroom of an airport

June 19, 2007: South Carolina Republican state Treasurer and South Carolina Chairman of Giuliani for President Thomas Ravenel is indicted by a grand jury on cocaine distribution charges

July 2, 2007: President George W. Bush commutes the sentence of former Cheney Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby following Libby's conviction on obstruction of justice and perjury

July 3, 2007: A grand jury report declares that the sale of public land to Republican Congressman Ken Calvert and his business partners violated the law

July 11, 2007: Republican state Representative and Florida co-Chairman of McCain for President Bob Allen is arrested for soliciting a male undercover police officer, offering to pay $20 to perform oral sex

July 16, 2007: Republican Senator David Vitter holds press conference acknowledging being on the D.C. Madam's list and past involvement with prostitutes

July 16, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski was involved in a sweetheart real estate deal

July 19: Republican former state legislator Coy Privette is charged with six counts of aiding and abetting prostitution

July 24, 2007: Michael Flory, former head of the Michigan Federation of Young Republicans, pleads guilty to sexual abuse

July 26, 2007: Media report that Republican Senator Lisa Murkowski will sell back land purchased in a sweetheart deal, following close scrutiny of the shady transaction

July 29, 2007: Glenn Murphy Jr., recently-elected Chairman of the Young Republican National Federation, is accused of sexually assaulting a sleeping man

July 30, 2007: The FBI and IRS raid the home of Republican Senator Ted Stevens following investigations into Stevens' dealings with the corrupt VECO Corporation

August 2, 2007: Bush administration senior adviser Karl Rove disregards a Congressional subpoena and refuses to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee

August 6, 2007: Investigation called for after House Republican Leader John Boehner leaked classified information regarding a secret court ruling over warrantless wiretapping

August 8, 2007: Republican Senator Larry Craig pleads guilty to misdemeanor disorderly conduct following his June 11 arrest

August 9, 2007: Major Republican donor Alan Fabian is charged with 23 counts of bankruptcy fraud, mail fraud, money laundering, obstruction of justice, and perjury

August 15, 2007: Republican state House candidate Angelo Cappelli is arrested for perjury and grand theft

August 22, 2007: Republican political consultant Roger Stone resigns his role with the New York state Senate Republicans after reports surfaced that he made a "threatening, obscenity-laced" phone call to the 83-year-old father of Governor Eliot Spitzer

August 27, 2007: Story breaks that Republican Senator Larry Craig was arrested and pled guilty - he had not publicly disclosed the events to that point

 

And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now.

So what was that, exactly?

What was that?

I would go on and on about this but I'm just gonna give you a site that will tell you plenty of information of all the scandals he has done including Iraq War e.t.c.

http://www.netrootsmass.net/hughs-bush-scandals-list/

 

And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them.

Again, how, exactly?

OMG don't make me start this. Well I guess it's too late. The health care system? And the three main reasons why they hate the poor are...

1. They think the poor are lasy. Which isn't true at all because the average poor person works for over 40+ hours a week

2.Republicans have blamed the poor for this financial crysis that they are going through. Well what will you do when your monthly expenses outpace your income? And with hardly any finalcial or social assisstance just make things worse.

3. The poor are subsidezed by welfare. WTF they don't even qualify for public assistance. Only the people who are severly injured or disables get SOME help.  

And the vast majority of those people work full time at jobs like police officers, firefighters, and members of the U.S. military. And the vast majority of those people work full time at jobs like police officers, firefighters, and members of the U.S. military. I personally believe that welfare does not subsidize the poor; it subsidizes the employers who refuse to pay an equitable wage.




dsage01 on 04 August 2011
Viper1 said:
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

1. I support neither branch as they are simply two heads of the same bird.

2. Your post is so full of misinformation I don't even know where to begin.   I'll just sum it up for you.  BOTH PARTIES SUCK.  They are both as responponsible as the other.  You can't point the finger at the other party for cutting the wings off the chicken when your own party ran over the damn thing.

See my other post. It proves how "misleading" my post is



Viper1 on 04 August 2011
dsage01 said:
Viper1 said:
dsage01 said:

Which one are you and which one do you support? I'm Canadian but my cousin just came over to my place last week and we were talking about the most corrpt country in the world (The United States of America) and who were the ones who really screwed up the country. I believe the Republican's are the one who really made the U.S.A. in the state it is in now. The republican's take a whole bunch of taxes from small compaines and companines that are facing loss and no tax at all from companies who made billions maybe trillions of dollars profit. No tax at all. If they actaully took some taxes from those companies that were making so much profits and less or no taxes from the small companies the U.S would be in a lot better state right now. And after what George W. Bush and his father did to the country there's almost no fixing it now. And despite the Republican's treating the middle class and lower class like shit those guys still support them. Believe it or not when my cousin came over to Canada the first time 1 Canadian dollar was worth .64 dollars in the States. Just 4 years later when they come back 1 Canadain dollar is worth 1.040 USD! I guess the saying is true the rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer. That statement proves to be very valid in the U.S.A.

1. I support neither branch as they are simply two heads of the same bird.

2. Your post is so full of misinformation I don't even know where to begin.   I'll just sum it up for you.  BOTH PARTIES SUCK.  They are both as responponsible as the other.  You can't point the finger at the other party for cutting the wings off the chicken when your own party ran over the damn thing.

See my other post. It proves how "misleading" my post is

It's still quite misleading.   You're acting like just because the Republican cut the head off that it's OK the Democrats ripped the arms and legs off. 

Go look up bad democrats.  Take that same microscope and put the D's under it.  Don't question 1 side of the equation because you'll always get the wrong answer when you do.



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