Locked: Greatest Industry Icon Tournament: Shigeru Miyamoto Vs. Yu Suzuki

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Buzzi on 26 July 2011

Doobie_wop said:

Buzzi said:

Doobie_wop said:
People obviously don't know enough about gaming history to give Yu Suzuki the credit he deserves. He invented 3D fighting games, 3D driving games, the first full body experience game, the first 3D shooting game and his game designs have influenced so many games that it's ridiculous. The Wii wouldn't even exist without Yu Suzuki's numerous innovations. The guy was an idea machine, he created whole new concepts and pulled off amazing feats of technical wizardry with his games.

I vote for Yu Suzuki, he's done so much for gaming and people aren't giving him the respect he deserves.

Aren't you downplaying Miyamoto too much? He invented the L/R buttons and the analogs, together with too many great games who influenced many others (Zelda and its freeroaming are an example). If there's someone who can stand to Suzuki's carrer it is Shigeru Miyamoto. The Wii and the other consoles wouldn't be the same even without him too.

I never even mentioned Miyamoto, but I will now. Pretty much every game Miyamoto made was using ideas that were already put into games, he may have have come up with some finer details, but the overall design and structure of his games were old news by the time they released. Zelda wasn't the first open world game, it wasn't even the 8th, but it did do it very well and popularized it. It's like how Nintendo didn't introduce touch screen gaming, but they did make it popular. Yu Suzuki actually created whole new ways to play games, he did stuff that no one had ever done before and he basically conquered the Arcades during the late 80's and 90's, people seem to forget that.

Regarding the triggers, did Miyamoto actually invent them? It's not that I don't believe you and it was definently a significant creation, but I wasn't under the impression that he was a hardware designer at the time. You have to remember that we aren't talking about SEGA vs Nintendo, we are talking about Miyamoto vs Yu Suzuki.

I'm not saying Miyamoto hasn't done alot for gaming, I'm just saying Yu Suzuki has been far more influential when it comes to how games of today are actually built and designed.

I'm sure about the triggers, I heard it multiple times and surfing the web I can't find otherwise: probably he didn't literally create them, but he was the one who commissioned them. Anyway I thought you weren't mentioning Miyamoto because he was like too much inferior to the other guy, and I don't think he is, but I understand your reasons to vote Suzuki. As I said, too bad we've to eliminate one of them, this should be like the final, people like Pachter won...I guess that's the game.

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Dinomax on 26 July 2011

Doobie_wop said:

Buzzi said:

Doobie_wop said:
People obviously don't know enough about gaming history to give Yu Suzuki the credit he deserves. He invented 3D fighting games, 3D driving games, the first full body experience game, the first 3D shooting game and his game designs have influenced so many games that it's ridiculous. The Wii wouldn't even exist without Yu Suzuki's numerous innovations. The guy was an idea machine, he created whole new concepts and pulled off amazing feats of technical wizardry with his games.

I vote for Yu Suzuki, he's done so much for gaming and people aren't giving him the respect he deserves.

Aren't you downplaying Miyamoto too much? He invented the L/R buttons and the analogs, together with too many great games who influenced many others (Zelda and its freeroaming are an example). If there's someone who can stand to Suzuki's carrer it is Shigeru Miyamoto. The Wii and the other consoles wouldn't be the same even without him too.

I never even mentioned Miyamoto, but I will now. Pretty much every game Miyamoto made was using ideas that were already put into games, he may have have come up with some finer details, but the overall design and structure of his games were old news by the time they released. Zelda wasn't the first open world game, it wasn't even the 8th, but it did do it very well and popularized it. It's like how Nintendo didn't introduce touch screen gaming, but they did make it popular. Yu Suzuki actually created whole new ways to play games, he did stuff that no one had ever done before and he basically conquered the Arcades during the late 80's and 90's, people seem to forget that.

Regarding the triggers, did Miyamoto actually invent them? It's not that I don't believe you and it was definently a significant creation, but I wasn't under the impression that he was a hardware designer at the time. You have to remember that we aren't talking about SEGA vs Nintendo, we are talking about Miyamoto vs Yu Suzuki.

I'm not saying Miyamoto hasn't done alot for gaming, I'm just saying Yu Suzuki has been far more influential when it comes to how games of today are actually built and designed.

Again, I point out, most people here weren't born or started on playing videogames in the 2000's don't get it and will vote Miyamoto baisedly.

Analog sticks and triggers have NOTHING on what Suzuki was making in the arcades. But oh course people will give Miyamoto all the credit for work other people do at Nintendo.

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cAPSLOCK on 26 July 2011

Miyamoto.

Regardless of where your loyalty is you have to be batshit insane to vote against the guy that saved us from the video game crash; killed shitty, quarter guzzling arcades; made something like 15 of the top 20 best selling games of all time; created the most recognizable character in video games; inspired a generation or more of developers and blah blah holy shit this list can go on forever and we're not even into hardware contributions yet.

There's no comparison, there's nothing even close. This is especially true in generation where all of the "idea men" are coming from coders and game makers exclusively. The lack of vision and imagination in the industry shows. He got into the video game industry by making hangers that look like elephants so children wouldn't poke their eyes out. Yes he was in the right place at the right time to save the video game industry, but so were a lot of others who did fuck-all to save the industry from oblivion; Yu Suzuki included.

The only tragedy of this battle is that Yu Suzuki has to go down. How were the seeding and pairings decided? Seriously, if any guy is a final 4 or final 8, it's Yu Suzuki.

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