If anyone's going to lead a rebellion it'll be me.
Can a movement similar to fascism emerge in the US? | |||
Yes | 67 | 56.78% | |
No | 21 | 17.80% | |
Not a "movement sim... | 27 | 22.88% | |
Total: | 115 |
badgenome said:
The tax hikes the Democrats want as a part of the debt ceiling deal, of course. I'm not sure why you're confused about that. Brooks says Republicans are being foolish and fanatical not to take the Democrats' offer, but this is an old game. Until Democrats offer specific cuts, promising $3 or 4 trillion (or even $40 trillion) in theoretical cuts down the line means nothing. |
I thought they had at least some specific cuts up there, one i recall being closing down a loophole for double coverage under Medicare's Prescription Drug program
Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.
Mr Khan said:
I thought they had at least some specific cuts up there, one i recall being closing down a loophole for double coverage under Medicare's Prescription Drug program |
They may have had some, but they haven't come out with anything resembling a plan. And as always, it's hard to take anything they say seriously when it's the same old "We can identify billions in Medicare fraud and waste!" song and dance. Oh really? Well, if you can do that, then you should have fixed that shit a long time ago, you driveling dickbags. The fact that they tolerate such a thing until they can use it as a bargaining chip may be the single most maddening thing about this entire debate.
Mr Khan said:
I thought they had at least some specific cuts up there, one i recall being closing down a loophole for double coverage under Medicare's Prescription Drug program |
From what I've seen, the vast majority of the 3/4 Trillion in "Cuts" are just dishonest accounting ...
Effectively, if you project economic growth at 5% per year with interest rates remaining at close to 0% and make "cuts" that project growth in government to 3% per year then you "cuts" over a 10 year period represent trillions in "savings". Unfortunately, these projections are unrealistically optimistic and even with these "Cuts" economic growth may be closer to 2% or 3% per year, interest rates will likely increase dramatically, and the growth in government will not be contained, which will result in a skyrocketing deficit and debt load.
Obama has been as close to Facism as we've come in a long time.
and with indoctrination centers like Universities and "news" stations like MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN. they try to block out all dissent and vilify all opposition wit out any facts. they are in bed with the government and are pretty much an arm of the democratic party.
but no we wont be Fascists because luckily we have had citizen revolts like the tea party pushing for smaller less totalitarian goverment. and we have news stations that actually show both sides of isssues like FOX news instead of being spoon fed what this administration tells them, they actually are fair in providing both sides
also thank God for sane people like the guy in the last video of the OP. we need people with common sense like him.
people need to realize that we wont defalt on the debt we have enough revenue to pay the interest on the debt.
and what happen to the claim that we have a social security trust fund. funny how they arent claiming that any more. its because they have been lying for years, there is no trust fund SS is broke. Government stole our money, they literally stole it, they tax us then take it, and waste it.
there is no need tho raise the debt ceiling, all our debt can be paid, we just have to cut spending.
even Keynesian economics say you shouldnt raise taxes in a recession..
Unfortunately we have a biased unimind news corp that lies to peoples faces, and dont report the facts like FOX news does
sethnintendo said:
I know every war has other motives. War only benefits a few companies and doesn't help the overall economy at all. A big war like WW2 helps out the overall economy but having a few individual companies making sophisticated weapons (modern warfare) barely benefits a few. The only companies I see benefiting from USA's two most recent wars would be Halliburton, Lockhead Martin, Boeing, and a few others. The oil companies might benefit if we can trick the Iraqi's into privatizing their oil fields. Pretty much the main reason why we went into Iraq. |
exactly so that fact does help as those corporations have a huge part in the political factor of the companies.
during war not only the those companies benefit but all of the country's attention is diverted,so many others also yield benefits.
and what usa does around the world benefits them alot,they pay all these war-torn and poor countries later with monetary benefits.now you would say that is a good thing but all it is doing is creating a globalized economy where they are enslaving these small countries to work for them.
in the short term this will be fine but when a leader stands up from one of these countries then they have had it
HappySqurriel said:
On the topic of Charasmatic leaders portrayed as a Mesiah ... Since I was old enough to start paying attention to politics (about 20 years ago) there hasn't really been any charasmatic conservative leaders who were portrayed as a rock star or messiah like figure in any western country I can think of, and yet in every country I can think of there have been several instances of political figures on the left being portrayed in this way. It doesn't matter though, my core point was the elevation of a political figure to this level is the problem not which party does it more. |
Berlusconi? Sarkozy? I'm pretty sue they're both portrayed as rock starts. And don't Conservatives in the US worship Raegan?
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osamanobama said: Obama has been as close to Facism as we've come in a long time. and with indoctrination centers like Universities and "news" stations like MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, and CNN. they try to block out all dissent and vilify all opposition wit out any facts. they are in bed with the government and are pretty much an arm of the democratic party. but no we wont be Fascists because luckily we have had citizen revolts like the tea party pushing for smaller less totalitarian goverment. and we have news stations that actually show both sides of isssues like FOX news instead of being spoon fed what this administration tells them, they actually are fair in providing both sides |
And you want to be taken seriously (regarding the part in italics)? As for the underlined, anti-intelectualism is one of the first symptoms of an iminent dictatorship.
"I don't understand how someone could like Tolstoy and Dostoyevsky, but not like Twilight!!!"
"Last book I read was Brokeback Mountain, I just don't have the patience for them unless it's softcore porn."
(The Voice of a Generation and Seece)
"If you cant stand the sound of your own voice than dont become a singer !!!!!"
(pizzahut451)