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It is most definite that they will, JoelCool7. The PAL region/Europe launch was their absolute last chance to get back into the game. They have already conceded Japan to Nintendo on both fronts. They are in contest with Microsoft AND Nintendo in the Americas. Europe and the rest of the world is the last battleground and they are losing ground to Nintendo and in some parts both Nintendo AND Microsoft. (except for New Zealand but that's like Walter Mondale's gains in the 1984 US election)

This is what I saw coming months ago when I made my prediction that Metal Gear Solid 4 will NOT go to the PS3. http://www.popzart.com/?page=view&topic=267

The poor market output by the end of the year will make sure the 3rd parties won't invest in the system when other competition moves units better. And people just won't believe an announced game can be cancelled and suddenly uprooted to another system. It's just code people. You can always adjust the code and make it work on another system. The PS3 isn't really that different from the 360 or even the Wii. In fact I bet secretly that's exactly what Konami is doing. They are ordering transition-making teams to work on ways to simultaneously work on another platform so they can decide to pull up stakes without delay.

This has happened before. It's not impossible ESPECIALLY when so much money is put into a project much as which what happened with MGS4. 3rd party loyalty is to who makes them the most money or easiest money. Nothing else. That in fact makes the phrase "3rd party loyalty" an oxymoron.

Sony destroyed their momentum greatly trying to keep up with the Microsoft Joneses and then got caught on the fence trying to emulate Nintendo's innovation. Identity crisis. They don't know who they are anymore. How do you go from most successful selling systems in HISTORY to Mr. Catchup? They launched BEFORE Nintendo in most markets: Japan & Americas. The Europe delay was fatal I believe. Especially in the face of this kind of competition. They should have either delayed the whole launch or tried to make the launch with SOME kind of product. They should know their success came from getting the market early while the later launched competition tried to match their headstart to no avail (not to say the companies should have cut their existing system's lifespans short to keep up with Sony. I'm glad they didn't do that...well except Sega & Microsoft). I think they would have been doomed either way but I think a total delayed launch would have been a little healthier than what they ended up doing. They gotta remember, there's an internet now. The world's closer together now than it's EVER been. Word gets around.

If things don't change, don't expect to see the PS3 past the year 2009. That's ANOTHER guarantee I put down for the record. And the idea of Sony putting the emphasis on their 1st party offerings to anchor their systems after a 3rd party exodus. Um doesn't that remind you of a certain company the past 11 years? It didn't work for THEM and they're the best in the business. Don't expect it to work for anyone else.

It's nobody's fault but the management at Sony. Blu-Ray was an interesting revenue-generating plan but in the end that 'war' with HD-DVD will mean nothing. Nobody's moving from DVD this soon for a more costlier medium and machine to run them on. Those will remain specialist/enthusiast/wine-test connoisseur's formats and nothing more. They WILL have a place in the market but it won't be the mass that Sony would need to make that idea work.

Good things HAVE come from the PS3 project. The Cell chip is being used in medical advancements http://www.popzart.com/?page=view&topic=607 and long down the line Blu-Ray may have good uses but they botched this project from start to finish and we are seeing the results now.

If Sony was a wise company they would have figured out how to get a greater profit edge out of the last 12 years of dominance. The fact that they couldn't showed you that a fall was imminent. If they just eke by a couple of dollars in dominance what will they do if that dominance fades? Will they even be ABLE to maintain dominance indefinitely? I think this drove the push for the PS3 project to become what it became. They were looking for a way to gain a greater edge in profit to tentpole the other sectors of the company which show various degree of struggle. American Idol is all about bolstering Sony Music. Sony Music is STILL trying to wrest the ATV catalog out of Michael Jackson's hands to get full control (ain't gonna happen Cap'n). Music business is in decline because of internet and that won't change significantly any time soon. The movie business is hit and miss though Spiderman 3 will definitely bring in some money (can't go wrong with Venom). They have lost the edge in many of their electronic divisions to other young lion companies trying to become the NEW Sony. The games sector was their bright spot and it really makes me wonder why they would waste that away so easily when they need to keep something in the forefront to show the world Sony's success.

I expect massive layoffs and a big restructuring at Sony in the coming few years as a result of ongoing money problems and southgoing project investments. Unless a miracle happens and Sony comes up with another novel big selling device (it CAN happen, not impossible) there's gonna be big change in the company's future. It has happened to giant corps before and dagnabit it can happen again.

If what someone says is true about Sony not panicking, then that's even worse. Because that means they are oblivious to what's going on around them and are living in a bubble. But time always pops bubbles so we'll see if this purported calm is all it's cracked up to be.

It's gonna be a looooooong 8 months for Sony & the PS3 that's all I can say. Stay tuned to VGChartz and let's see where the future carries them.

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I just have a question ... Being that Home is going to be such a "Big Deal" has anyone ever clicked on one of the IMVU banners which is (practically) everywhere? It seems to me that they advertize that they have most of the functionality of Playstation Home in a free service ... Now if most people are unwilling to click on a banner ad to see whether IMVU lives up to their claims why would anyone spend $600 for the service?

The more I hear people hype this service the more I am reminded of 2002 when XBox fans were talking about how XBox Live was going to push the XBox to new sales levels. Certainly, XBox Live is probably the main reason the XBox was more successful than the Gamecube in North America and Europe but it (probably) wasn't a factor in more than a couple of million system purchases.



Joelcool7 said:

I have noticed this year that Sony has been having a very hard time pushing it's new PlayStation3 hardware. Lets look at exactly what is going on with PlayStation3 here where I live abroad and in the industry.

Alright so a few day's ago I descided to walk around and check retailers to see how the PlayStation3 was doing. I was a little suprised to see it doing so poorly. I visited Cosco , FutureShop , RealCanadianSuperstore , Walmart and heard about Zellers stock from a buddy. Cosco had the most units I counted around 30 units on their shelves, no Wii's infact they had less 360's then PS3's. FutureShop had a huge pile of PS3's for sale I asked an employee he said that they hadn't sold many that week, infact I saw a guy who was so upset waiting for his Wii he "Settled for a PS3". I then checked my local RealCanadianSuperstore they had two units in I asked the clerk how they were selling he said horribly he sold one unit in a week and a fresh shipment was do tommorow. My buddy confirmed Zellers also had a huge stock pile up.

Abroad PS3 has sold 3.21m units, far below the expected and targetted goal of 6-million units by the end of the fiscal year. I'm not sure if I remember correctly but didn't GameCube/DreamCast both sell more during their first fiscal year? 

 Third parties are making a mad dash for the Wii and 360 developement is on a slight incline as developers and publishers begin to back away slowly from the PS3. We have prior loyal publisher's like SNK and CodeMasters ditching Sony, apparently Sony turned down numerous SNK projects. Other publishers like Atari claimed they won't be supporting PS3 untill it becomes more affordable. With the high developement costs developers just can't afford it anymore.

 So at the end of the day PlayStation3 is headed on a downward spiral with only a handfull of Killer Apps comming in the near future. Without the third party support Sony will need to rely more heavily on it's first party studios to push the PS3. Could PS3 go the way of Sega Saturn or maybe even DreamCast, or can Sony turn this deadly fall around?


cut the crap chief

i bought motorstorm yesterday from Futureshop ,Montreal.

people like always were looking more at the ps3 section rather than Wii.

i noticed 3 slim ps2s and 2 ps3s sold within an hour.

I myself bought the last copy of Motorstorm.

my futureshop had 40 ps3s yesterday  which is down to 6 today (Futureshop near Parc).

 my Bestbuy yesterday had 0 ps3s.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075271&catid=   (75 available in all of FU stores in Canada)

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376

3 apparently are available but in Toronto.

vs this:-

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10085118&catid=23383&logon=&langid=EN

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10085118&catid=23363&logon=&langid=EN

x360 special promos available since december,2006.

no third party would incline towards x360 which has yest to reach the 10 million mark.

It is already a massive flop in both Japan and EU (after the ps3's launch).

so stop making unorthodox posts like these.

x360 is already out of the system war.

It all comes down to ps3 vs Wii.

ps3 would ofcourse trail wii until the end of this year or at the beginning of 2008.

change your topic : is 360 heading towards disaster?

answer : yes

i do understand that it hurts you to see your console fading against the ps3 in the near future.

But stop posting ***************************



staticneuron said:

and eques, developers haven't left the PS3 they have just started making multipllatform game that is not the same implication and lost planet cost 20 milion to make and another 20 million to advertise.


 

I changed what i said about developers leaving (you are right, they aren't actually leaving... just streamlining to make more money :D

 

i may have gotten some of the values for lost planet wrong, but i assure you that capcom did not pay all that 20 million to advertise and that microsoft made a substantial contribution.



larry said:
Joelcool7 said:

I have noticed this year that Sony has been having a very hard time pushing it's new PlayStation3 hardware. Lets look at exactly what is going on with PlayStation3 here where I live abroad and in the industry.

Alright so a few day's ago I descided to walk around and check retailers to see how the PlayStation3 was doing. I was a little suprised to see it doing so poorly. I visited Cosco , FutureShop , RealCanadianSuperstore , Walmart and heard about Zellers stock from a buddy. Cosco had the most units I counted around 30 units on their shelves, no Wii's infact they had less 360's then PS3's. FutureShop had a huge pile of PS3's for sale I asked an employee he said that they hadn't sold many that week, infact I saw a guy who was so upset waiting for his Wii he "Settled for a PS3". I then checked my local RealCanadianSuperstore they had two units in I asked the clerk how they were selling he said horribly he sold one unit in a week and a fresh shipment was do tommorow. My buddy confirmed Zellers also had a huge stock pile up.

Abroad PS3 has sold 3.21m units, far below the expected and targetted goal of 6-million units by the end of the fiscal year. I'm not sure if I remember correctly but didn't GameCube/DreamCast both sell more during their first fiscal year? 

 Third parties are making a mad dash for the Wii and 360 developement is on a slight incline as developers and publishers begin to back away slowly from the PS3. We have prior loyal publisher's like SNK and CodeMasters ditching Sony, apparently Sony turned down numerous SNK projects. Other publishers like Atari claimed they won't be supporting PS3 untill it becomes more affordable. With the high developement costs developers just can't afford it anymore.

 So at the end of the day PlayStation3 is headed on a downward spiral with only a handfull of Killer Apps comming in the near future. Without the third party support Sony will need to rely more heavily on it's first party studios to push the PS3. Could PS3 go the way of Sega Saturn or maybe even DreamCast, or can Sony turn this deadly fall around?


cut the crap chief

i bought motorstorm yesterday from Futureshop ,Montreal.

people like always were looking more at the ps3 section rather than Wii.

i noticed 3 slim ps2s and 2 ps3s sold within an hour.

I myself bought the last copy of Motorstorm.

my futureshop had 40 ps3s yesterday  which is down to 6 today (Futureshop near Parc).

 my Bestbuy yesterday had 0 ps3s.

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0665000FS10075271&catid=   (75 available in all of FU stores in Canada)

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10075271&catid=24376

3 apparently are available but in Toronto.

vs this:-

http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0926INGFS10085118&catid=23383&logon=&langid=EN

http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?sku_id=0665000FS10085118&catid=23363&logon=&langid=EN

x360 special promos available since december,2006.

no third party would incline towards x360 which has yest to reach the 10 million mark.

It is already a massive flop in both Japan and EU (after the ps3's launch).

so stop making unorthodox posts like these.

x360 is already out of the system war.

It all comes down to ps3 vs Wii.

ps3 would ofcourse trail wii until the end of this year or at the beginning of 2008.

change your topic : is 360 heading towards disaster?

answer : yes

i do understand that it hurts you to see your console fading against the ps3 in the near future.

But stop posting ***************************


 

Again: Fanboy vs. Sales. One more time: The Wii sells better. The people are NOT looking more to the PS3 than to Wii. I can show you the numbers - what can you show me? some pictures of the PS3 launch when it was sold out. Wonderful...

130k PS3 vs. 350k Wii is a proofed number. You can´t change it just cuz you want to... why can´t we discuss (!) things?



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sieanr said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Nintendo exec's act the same way with the GC. In fact, didn't Nintendo fanboys put forth the same arguments about first party games?

 

Price, when the difference is $100, is somewhat important, but not an overiding factor in people purchases - $200 and $300 differences are. I think people seem to forget that every console last gen was $300 or less at launch, and the PS3 is twice that cost. Can you honestly tell me that cost isn't a factor when the difference is so great?


 

Very important distinction. Nintendo's first party games are firmly planted in the GA crowd while sony has titles ranging from ratchet and clank to God of war. Racers, shooters, action platformers, sandbox RPG's you name it sony has it. Sony's first party developmentstudios are largger than microsoft and nintendo combined and without a doubt have more concurrent games being developed as we speak.

And the quality of sony's games are excellent (to tell you the truth almost all current first party devs have excellent quality) and there is a high chance that sony's is going to use the PS3 as a platform for new IP's and idea's.

It is simple... people think the PS3 is in trouble because it hasn't blown their mind in sales.... but in all seriousness it is sony who decides the end of their system. So if these sales are within sony's expectations then how is it a precursor to the PS3's failure?

I think this is a unrealistic view of the industry that ranks up their with the arrogance(edit: not directed at anyone here) of stating that devs do not need more Space for their games. With the rate and speed of the industry moving as new IP and technology are introduced it really doesn't make sense. Normal mapping.. really sprung up over night. It was shown at a siggraph but how it was implemented in games came around fast and somewhat unexpected. Bigger space is being used for streaming textures (gear of war) and for streaming meshes (lair). I these advancements are changing the way games are played and experienced and only more radical thinking and changes are on the way.

More foward thinking will promote growth on the PS3 and after devs get acclimated we will be hearing different tunes to what people are saying. I think 2008 will be the year that defines the PS3 and makes it shine and also we will see an increase in exclusives for every system.

 


 



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@larry

iam surprised ... i looked at the link you posted and the ps3 is in stock there (in both shops)

but no wii in stock ? wtf

 

EDIT: what i want to say: i wanna read facts - many people here post great text and iam more reading than writing in this forum

 



staticneuron said:

 

 

Very important distinction. Nintendo's first party games are firmly planted in the GA crowd while sony has titles ranging from ratchet and clank to God of war. Racers, shooters, action platformers, sandbox RPG's you name it sony has it. Sony's first party developmentstudios are largger than microsoft and nintendo combined and without a doubt have more concurrent games being developed as we speak.

And the quality of sony's games are excellent (to tell you the truth almost all current first party devs have excellent quality) and there is a high chance that sony's is going to use the PS3 as a platform for new IP's and idea's.

It is simple... people think the PS3 is in trouble because it hasn't blown their mind in sales.... but in all seriousness it is sony who decides the end of their system. So if these sales are within sony's expectations then how is it a precursor to the PS3's failure?

I think this is a unrealistic view of the industry that ranks up their with the arrogance(edit: not directed at anyone here) of stating that devs do not need more Space for their games. With the rate and speed of the industry moving as new IP and technology are introduced it really doesn't make sense. Normal mapping.. really sprung up over night. It was shown at a siggraph but how it was implemented in games came around fast and somewhat unexpected. Bigger space is being used for streaming textures (gear of war) and for streaming meshes (lair). I these advancements are changing the way games are played and experienced and only more radical thinking and changes are on the way.

More foward thinking will promote growth on the PS3 and after devs get acclimated we will be hearing different tunes to what people are saying. I think 2008 will be the year that defines the PS3 and makes it shine and also we will see an increase in exclusives for every system.

 


 


 Basically. That is what I think. However I think PS3 sales will pickup when it has more than 4-5 games worth buying.



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staticneuron said:
 

I think this is a unrealistic view of the industry that ranks up their with the arrogance(edit: not directed at anyone here) of stating that devs do not need more Space for their games. With the rate and speed of the industry moving as new IP and technology are introduced it really doesn't make sense. Normal mapping.. really sprung up over night. It was shown at a siggraph but how it was implemented in games came around fast and somewhat unexpected. Bigger space is being used for streaming textures (gear of war) and for streaming meshes (lair). I these advancements are changing the way games are played and experienced and only more radical thinking and changes are on the way.

 


I'm not sure what you're trying to imply with your discussion of Normal Mapping ...

The technique has existed as a form of bump mapping since the early days of Ray-Tracing. The reason it seemed to "spring up over night" was that people wanted to make a distinction between conventional bump mapping in real-time rendering and storing a normal in a texture map to achieve bump mapping. As for streaming textures and meshes it has absolutely nothing to do with the capacity of the medium as streaming textures were used on the N64.

 



Joelcool7 said:

I have noticed this year that Sony has been having a very hard time pushing it's new PlayStation3 hardware. Lets look at exactly what is going on with PlayStation3 here where I live abroad and in the industry.

Alright so a few day's ago I descided to walk around and check retailers to see how the PlayStation3 was doing. I was a little suprised to see it doing so poorly. I visited Cosco , FutureShop , RealCanadianSuperstore , Walmart and heard about Zellers stock from a buddy. Cosco had the most units I counted around 30 units on their shelves, no Wii's infact they had less 360's then PS3's. FutureShop had a huge pile of PS3's for sale I asked an employee he said that they hadn't sold many that week, infact I saw a guy who was so upset waiting for his Wii he "Settled for a PS3". I then checked my local RealCanadianSuperstore they had two units in I asked the clerk how they were selling he said horribly he sold one unit in a week and a fresh shipment was do tommorow. My buddy confirmed Zellers also had a huge stock pile up.

Abroad PS3 has sold 3.21m units, far below the expected and targetted goal of 6-million units by the end of the fiscal year. I'm not sure if I remember correctly but didn't GameCube/DreamCast both sell more during their first fiscal year?

Third parties are making a mad dash for the Wii and 360 developement is on a slight incline as developers and publishers begin to back away slowly from the PS3. We have prior loyal publisher's like SNK and CodeMasters ditching Sony, apparently Sony turned down numerous SNK projects. Other publishers like Atari claimed they won't be supporting PS3 untill it becomes more affordable. With the high developement costs developers just can't afford it anymore.

So at the end of the day PlayStation3 is headed on a downward spiral with only a handfull of Killer Apps comming in the near future. Without the third party support Sony will need to rely more heavily on it's first party studios to push the PS3. Could PS3 go the way of Sega Saturn or maybe even DreamCast, or can Sony turn this deadly fall around?



 I walk in to future shop, one guy tells me 360 is the best it has Halo the other two are a joke, 2nd dude says wii is half price of the other so i shoule get it.. other dude tells me PS3 has best games and Br its the best buy.... its people and their opinion.  

3rd partys are actually only making a little dash, wii very dangerous.  Their best games wont work on wiis weak hardware so they get stuck competeting with Nin and miyamoto... = mediocre sales for 3rd party.

 most 3rd partys will make PS3/360/PC games then PS2/Wii games...   PS3 has ALLthe killer apps, saying other wise you shows you know nothing and are a delusinoal kiddy fan.

best racing

best action

best rpg

best stealth

all on PS3, half the killer apps are PS3 ONLY. 

Software dives hardware, and PS3 has the best software coming.