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CDiablo on 13 July 2011
Final-Fan said:
DRM? What is Kotaku smoking? It's clearly just simplifying hardware. "If you want HD, use the HD port." Didn't the Gamecube remove support for component out or something later in life?

You are correct. Typical Sony taking more of Nintendos ideas. Nintendo removed SVideo from the SNES 2. Up until then no one ever had a new hardware revision of anything ever.



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scottie on 13 July 2011

@ All the people comparing this to OtherOS

1) The complaint about OtherOS removal was that it removed a feature for existing owners that people most strongly objected to, and this was why there could be class action lawsuits filed. If the source of that picture is representative of the whole, then consumers will be told about this before purchase, making it completely different.

2) It's not the removal of a feature. HD gaming as a feature still exists, and the ability to play on older tvs still exists. It's more akin to a price rise than the removal of a feature.

3) It has none of the "Do we really own our stuff any more or are we merely permitted to lease it" issue that the removal of OtherOS raised.

4) Broadly speaking, the removal of OtherOS impacted upon the tech savvy, early adopters, the linux crowd. Basically, those with the ability to hack and the desire to keep the feature. This crowd, for the most part, will already be using HDMI. The crowd effected by this will likely be those who know less about technology.

Anyway, I don't think this is a particularly big deal, if true.

Also, 40 gb bump in harddrive space, iirc?



Porcupine_I on 13 July 2011
scottie said:
@ All the people comparing this to OtherOS

1) The complaint about OtherOS removal was that it removed a feature for existing owners that people most strongly objected to, and this was why there could be class action lawsuits filed. If the source of that picture is representative of the whole, then consumers will be told about this before purchase, making it completely different.

2) It's not the removal of a feature. HD gaming as a feature still exists, and the ability to play on older tvs still exists. It's more akin to a price rise than the removal of a feature.

3) It has none of the "Do we really own our stuff any more or are we merely permitted to lease it" issue that the removal of OtherOS raised.

4) Broadly speaking, the removal of OtherOS impacted upon the tech savvy, early adopters, the linux crowd. Basically, those with the ability to hack and the desire to keep the feature. This crowd, for the most part, will already be using HDMI. The crowd effected by this will likely be those who know less about technology.

Anyway, I don't think this is a particularly big deal, if true.

Also, 40 gb bump in harddrive space, iirc?

Consumers had been told before purchase of the new slim model that the Other OS Feature had been removed from the model.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

ithis on 13 July 2011
drkohler said:
AACS Advanced Access Content System is a system for copy protection on HD-DVD and Blu-Ray discs. The system was developed by Intel, Microsoft, Matsushita, Warner Brothers, Sony, IBM, Toshiba and The Walt Disney Company. The system was broken pretty fast on HD-DVD - a key reason why HD-DVD lost the race against Blu-Ray.
All new players sold after December 31, 2010 must limit analog video output of BD content to interlaced standard definition (480i/576i). No player that passes "Decrypted AACS Content" to analog video outputs may be manufactured or sold after December 31, 2013.
So Sony is simply following orders..
(Who uses component cables, anyways, when HDMI is available?)


Just quoting this so people will maybe read it.



Final-Fan on 13 July 2011
Porcupine_I said:
scottie said:
@ All the people comparing this to OtherOS

1) The complaint about OtherOS removal was that it removed a feature for existing owners that people most strongly objected to, and this was why there could be class action lawsuits filed. If the source of that picture is representative of the whole, then consumers will be told about this before purchase, making it completely different.

2) It's not the removal of a feature. HD gaming as a feature still exists, and the ability to play on older tvs still exists. It's more akin to a price rise than the removal of a feature.

3) It has none of the "Do we really own our stuff any more or are we merely permitted to lease it" issue that the removal of OtherOS raised.

4) Broadly speaking, the removal of OtherOS impacted upon the tech savvy, early adopters, the linux crowd. Basically, those with the ability to hack and the desire to keep the feature. This crowd, for the most part, will already be using HDMI. The crowd effected by this will likely be those who know less about technology.

Anyway, I don't think this is a particularly big deal, if true.

Also, 40 gb bump in harddrive space, iirc?

Consumers had been told before purchase of the new slim model that the Other OS Feature had been removed from the model.

But consumers WERE NOT told before purchasing PS fat models in 2006 that someday their linux capability would be removed by updates.  This new change only affects new hardware and explicitly does not affect existing PS3s at all.  It is a totally different situation. 



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Zlejedi on 13 July 2011
scottie said:
@ All the people comparing this to OtherOS

1) The complaint about OtherOS removal was that it removed a feature for existing owners that people most strongly objected to, and this was why there could be class action lawsuits filed. If the source of that picture is representative of the whole, then consumers will be told about this before purchase, making it completely different.

2) It's not the removal of a feature. HD gaming as a feature still exists, and the ability to play on older tvs still exists. It's more akin to a price rise than the removal of a feature.

3) It has none of the "Do we really own our stuff any more or are we merely permitted to lease it" issue that the removal of OtherOS raised.

4) Broadly speaking, the removal of OtherOS impacted upon the tech savvy, early adopters, the linux crowd. Basically, those with the ability to hack and the desire to keep the feature. This crowd, for the most part, will already be using HDMI. The crowd effected by this will likely be those who know less about technology.

Anyway, I don't think this is a particularly big deal, if true.

Also, 40 gb bump in harddrive space, iirc?

Why are you trying to ruing good fun of sony bashing for them with reason and arguments? :)

If Sony were giving 10 games with each PS3 sold those people would complain that they already own half of them :D



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scottie on 13 July 2011

@ porcupine - read final-fan's post for my response.

@ Zeljedi - I love ruining everything, this included. And yeah, if people like the games, they would complain they already own them, if they don't like them, they would complain that they are bad.



Porcupine_I on 13 July 2011
Final-Fan said:
Porcupine_I said:
scottie said:
@ All the people comparing this to OtherOS

1) The complaint about OtherOS removal was that it removed a feature for existing owners that people most strongly objected to, and this was why there could be class action lawsuits filed. If the source of that picture is representative of the whole, then consumers will be told about this before purchase, making it completely different.

2) It's not the removal of a feature. HD gaming as a feature still exists, and the ability to play on older tvs still exists. It's more akin to a price rise than the removal of a feature.

3) It has none of the "Do we really own our stuff any more or are we merely permitted to lease it" issue that the removal of OtherOS raised.

4) Broadly speaking, the removal of OtherOS impacted upon the tech savvy, early adopters, the linux crowd. Basically, those with the ability to hack and the desire to keep the feature. This crowd, for the most part, will already be using HDMI. The crowd effected by this will likely be those who know less about technology.

Anyway, I don't think this is a particularly big deal, if true.

Also, 40 gb bump in harddrive space, iirc?

Consumers had been told before purchase of the new slim model that the Other OS Feature had been removed from the model.

But consumers WERE NOT told before purchasing PS fat models in 2006 that someday their linux capability would be removed by updates.  This new change only affects new hardware and explicitly does not affect existing PS3s at all.  It is a totally different situation. 

that is entierly correct!

i just don't get tired to remind people that it was not an issue until Geohot used the Other OS in a fat model to hack the PS3, after that sony removed the feature from the fat models as well.

some people really confuse this timeline sometimes and argue his later hacking was only to bring it back, when the initial hacking was the reason for it being removed in the first place.



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

d21lewis on 13 July 2011

My old TV only had one HDMI port. The PS3 and Wii used a shared third party component cable and the 360 used the component cable that came with the console. The image was virtually indistinguishable to an HDMI pic (the TV was only 1080i/720p, anyway). My current TV has about five HDMI ports but I can still see the new PS3 version creating a bit of an uproar among a minority of people. I'm sure real video whores will want to go with an HDMI enabled set anyway and those that were using components won't care, anyway. Still, it's a function that many won't be aware of until it effects them.



TadpoleJackson on 13 July 2011

This really doesn't make any sense does it?

They take out the composite cables, then they don't bundle an HDMI cable with it? So they are just selling the console with a power cable...