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Who created everything?

GOD 184 41.82%
 
BIG BANG 251 57.05%
 
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snakenobi on 10 July 2011
sapphi_snake said:
snakenobi said:

but we really can't est it.

we can test modern day science as we have its proof right there

big bang happened a long time a ago,now there are just assumptions

 

i believe science.

 

its just that i am questioning the beginning and ending points

 

we do know whats the outside of religion but we have never actually really know it,that is only known by really high authorities like POPE and other people

its like if we today find the proof of existence by science,its beginning and ending point and afterlife and then we nuke ourselves,2000 years from now the new generations would never understand what we did.only some people carrying knowledge would everybody else would be calling it just a theory

 

for this you really have to know both the sides,we know science's side as its open to the world but not really the religious side

If there's something that the Pope knows secretly about religion, it's probably that it's all false, but he gets to live like a king and be worshipped, so it's OK for him. Also, if we nuked ourselves we'd probably all die (and if there are people left, then culture would've survived too, people wouldn't have to reinvent the wheel). And you still don't see the difference between science and religion.


now this is called being ignorant.

its not that he is being secretive about it,its just that our soceity's formed that every ignores it

people would have to reinvent the wheel as the few people surviving wouldn't have the resources to build the world like its today and the next generation would carry forward the info but have totally new thinking

i do see the difference,according to our soceity science is the correct way but it still hasn't proved everything.we debate on current day info not future info when anything could  happen.

religion is not correct most of the time but i would only be able to fully say that when i would have known high authorities,its the same thing like the high classified shit going on in labs around the world and alien knowledge of area 51 which we don't know about.



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Pyro as Bill on 10 July 2011
snakenobi said:
Pyro as Bill said:
snakenobi said:
Pyro as Bill said:
"But then I question if BIG BANG happened,what made it happened.Scientist say it was because of Nitrogen and Hydrogen colliding.But where did they come from?"

Nitrogen and Hydrogen colliding? A scientist said this?


its just one of many theories


No. It really isn't.

yes it is

OK. You're funny. I think you're getting the Big Bang mixed up with how we make plant food.



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sapphi_snake on 10 July 2011
halil23 said:
So there's more votes coming from big bang, even though the fact that big bang was created by God! Wow, so many hypocrites...

That's really not a fact.



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sapphi_snake on 10 July 2011
snakenobi said:


now this is called being ignorant.

its not that he is being secretive about it,its just that our soceity's formed that every ignores it

people would have to reinvent the wheel as the few people surviving wouldn't have the resources to build the world like its today and the next generation would carry forward the info but have totally new thinking

i do see the difference,according to our soceity science is the correct way but it still hasn't proved everything.we debate on current day info not future info when anything could  happen.

religion is not correct most of the time but i would only be able to fully say that when i would have known high authorities,its the same thing like the high classified shit going on in labs around the world and alien knowledge of area 51 which we don't know about.

*sigh* You of all people should not be using the word "ignorant" so liberally.



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sapphi_snake on 10 July 2011
dany612 said:

Look at life and how perfectly the cycle works. Look at the Universe. Everything happens in a constant cycle. Why did evolution lead to our human existence? Why were plants created and animals created the way they are? There is a God, but we can never know just how as our knowledge is limited and the cycle is perfection. Why are humans able to manipulate data, to create? We are also given the power to question this and our existence. 

What makes you think that "created" is the proper term?



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Player1x3 on 10 July 2011
Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:
Runa216 said:
Player1x3 said:

Why cant I choose both science and religious faith? What exactly prohibits the person from embracing both?


You can, but it's not a very rational or logical decision.  I don't like resorting to similes, but saying you want to believe in science and have faith is no better than saying "I'm doing this test, but a few of these results aren't what I like, so I'm going to dismiss them based on my faith that I'm right and they were just faulty."  the very idea of sicence and faith are opposing.  Put it this way, faith wouldn't exist if there was proof, if there was proof it wouldn't be faith, it would be science.  Faith is, in a roundabout way, willful ignorance, the belif in something becuase you want to believe it, not because there's rational reason to believe it. 

That's kinda the whole point. 


I keep asking you, what is this ''proof'' that doesnt allow one to have faith in God. You seem to act like there is some divine reason and proof that makes all faith in God irrelevant. Keep in mind that absence of proof is no proof of absence. You also seem to think that faith is belief in something that is wrong based on evidence, when every person even slighlty educated will tell you that faith is when you believe in something you do not know based on evidence exists/will happen, but something inside you tells you so. And you'd be suprized how big of a role faith plays in modern science

What? 

and no, I said that faith is believing in something without adequate (or no) supporting evidence.  stop twisting my words, no wonder it's so hard to argue with those of faith. 

Read again. its really not hard to understand.

In your replay to that american guy Kazs206, you said ''Faith is to believe something regardless of the facts, or lack thereof'' To believe in something regardless of the facts indicates that you meant faith is something you believe in despite the facts showing otherwise. I noted you also said, lack therof, which is why I used ''You seem'' I didnt said you directly said it, but rather it seemed you drift towards the tought



Rath on 10 July 2011
snakenobi said:
Rath said:
snakenobi said:
 

have you ever seen evidence of science or big bang

the problem is that you have shut ur mind out.people do that when they get fixed with ideas and the soceity which we live in.if our soceity never brought up science,you would never think like this.

like relgion its just human culture

 

science means reasoning that everything comes from something and goes into another thing,its just a concept and way of thinking

 

and if science says we came from big bang and there was never nothing before then it condradicts its own basis.science in the end will have to agree that there has to be be something before BIG BANG in any dimension or form which we may not even comprehend today


Science doesn't claim that nothing was before the big bang. There have been posutaltions about what exists apart from the universe but as we currently cannot test them scientifcally they hold little weight. Also how would there being nothing before the big bang contradict the basis of science? If you're going to say causality, then that does not necessarily apply outside of the universe.

yeah but science says it was begining point,they conclude how it happened and thats all but science also says that matter is never destroyed,it just changes form so it would have to be something before that a continuing journey

Causality and the conservation of energy are both properties of the universe, outside (or before) the universe they do not necessarily apply.



Rath on 10 July 2011
snakenobi said:
Pyro as Bill said:
snakenobi said:
Pyro as Bill said:
"But then I question if BIG BANG happened,what made it happened.Scientist say it was because of Nitrogen and Hydrogen colliding.But where did they come from?"

Nitrogen and Hydrogen colliding? A scientist said this?


its just one of many theories


No. It really isn't.

yes it is


Woah, seriously - what?

Neither nitrogen nor hydrogen existed at the time of the big bang, you have a serious lack of understanding of the subject. You can't just make shit up and then claim it's 'one of many theories'.



Zkuq on 10 July 2011
dany612 said:

Look at life and how perfectly the cycle works. Look at the Universe. Everything happens in a constant cycle. Why did evolution lead to our human existence? Why were plants created and animals created the way they are? There is a God, but we can never know just how as our knowledge is limited and the cycle is perfection. Why are humans able to manipulate data, to create? We are also given the power to question this and our existence. 

Do you know how evolution works? If you know, then you should also know why it 'led' to humans. What makes you think animals and plants were created? And if they were created, what makes you think they were created the way they are? Didn't you just ask a question about evolution? Do you even believe in evolution if you have to ask such questions? And once more, do you know how evolution works?



snakenobi on 10 July 2011
Rath said:
snakenobi said:
Rath said:
snakenobi said:
 

have you ever seen evidence of science or big bang

the problem is that you have shut ur mind out.people do that when they get fixed with ideas and the soceity which we live in.if our soceity never brought up science,you would never think like this.

like relgion its just human culture

 

science means reasoning that everything comes from something and goes into another thing,its just a concept and way of thinking

 

and if science says we came from big bang and there was never nothing before then it condradicts its own basis.science in the end will have to agree that there has to be be something before BIG BANG in any dimension or form which we may not even comprehend today


Science doesn't claim that nothing was before the big bang. There have been posutaltions about what exists apart from the universe but as we currently cannot test them scientifcally they hold little weight. Also how would there being nothing before the big bang contradict the basis of science? If you're going to say causality, then that does not necessarily apply outside of the universe.

yeah but science says it was begining point,they conclude how it happened and thats all but science also says that matter is never destroyed,it just changes form so it would have to be something before that a continuing journey

Causality and the conservation of energy are both properties of the universe, outside (or before) the universe they do not necessarily apply.

yeah i agree that we are a part of today's universe

thats why i am saying that we may not be able to comprehend what was there before