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DeduS on 26 July 2011

I liked Mass Effect, but Valkyria Chronicles is my favourite game this gen (so far) - my vote goes to VC!



 

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Michael-5 on 26 July 2011
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I have my own preferences, that's all. I love Sony as a company. The PS3 is the best machine out there (built in chargers for the controllers, free online, decently reliable before the Slim model, no Kinect). Just when it comes to personal preference on games, I tend to like 360 exclusives over PS3's. This is why I bought a 360 before a PS3, and this is why my 360 is my primary console, and not my PS3 (look at my library).

However, the level of quality is close sometimes. Killzone and Halo(main series), GT and Forza, Lost Odyssey and Valkyria Chronicles, Gears and Uncharted, Alan Wake and Heavy Rain, etc. I'm not trying to put down any PS3 exclusive, I just prefer 360 ones, but I try to avoid claiming that "they are better." unless there is a clear cut distinction in quality (InFamous IS better then Crackdown).

 

I wish more people got the bolded part - and totally agree.  I happen to prefer PS3 exclusives this gen, for example I much preferUncharted as a TPS vs Gears, but I'd never claim Gears was rubbish or Uncharted was somehow "Better".   I just prefer it because I prefer Indiana Jones type vibe to ultra-violence Dudebro vibe.  Just like you (but in reverse) this is why I got a PS3 ahead of buying a 360.

I don't think you should feel the need to defend your own personal preferences, they should be respected by all posters.  As you say the issue is only when people get clouded and try and go on about quality titles sucking due to console preference or taste.

On Topic - I'm going to put in one last vote for VC.  I like ME franchise and really liked ME2, but ME I found to be a mass of weak gameplay that, in the excitement to praise a Western action RPG, most reviewers decided to ignore.  The combat (which was 90% of the game) was a joke next to similar TPS combat titles like Uncharted and Gears, the inventory and menus were awful to navigate and use, the morality scheme was no better than the maligned good/bad scheme in inFamous yet touted as something great, and the character models, while detailed and great in dialogue scenes were animated like stick figures and again in motion/combat were far behind the quality bar of Uncharted/Gears level character animations.  And let's not even talk about the side missions and driving sections.

In short, ME was a good story with average to weak gameplay that got way overpraised due to circumstance and timing while VC was solid throughout, from story to gameplay and I'd argue a better game as a result whether you like the genre or not.

People like to label... thanks for understanding

What makes things worse is I'm the type to stand up for my opinion. There are very few 360 supporters on this website, so when people critisize the games I love, without really giving a reason, I don't back down. I would stand up for PS3 and Wii games more often, but before I even get a chance to there are always twenty people doing it for me already. I should just learn to let people be, I can't stop ignorance. It's really annoying because the 360 and PS3 exclsusives are often very closly reviewed and both often above 9/10, yet people only seem to appreciate the games on their console, and critisize the competition so easily.

As for your vote, when you compare Mass Effect 1 to Uncharted, are you comparing it to Uncharted 1? I ask because I felt the third person shooting mechanics in Uncharted 1 were rather glitchy, and it was Uncharted 2 that really polished the gameplay. I do agree though that ME1 << ME2, and VC is an awesome game.



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dsage01 on 27 July 2011

Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.



Reasonable on 27 July 2011
Michael-5 said:
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:
kickazz113 said:
Michael-5 said:
 

I have my own preferences, that's all. I love Sony as a company. The PS3 is the best machine out there (built in chargers for the controllers, free online, decently reliable before the Slim model, no Kinect). Just when it comes to personal preference on games, I tend to like 360 exclusives over PS3's. This is why I bought a 360 before a PS3, and this is why my 360 is my primary console, and not my PS3 (look at my library).

However, the level of quality is close sometimes. Killzone and Halo(main series), GT and Forza, Lost Odyssey and Valkyria Chronicles, Gears and Uncharted, Alan Wake and Heavy Rain, etc. I'm not trying to put down any PS3 exclusive, I just prefer 360 ones, but I try to avoid claiming that "they are better." unless there is a clear cut distinction in quality (InFamous IS better then Crackdown).

 

I wish more people got the bolded part - and totally agree.  I happen to prefer PS3 exclusives this gen, for example I much preferUncharted as a TPS vs Gears, but I'd never claim Gears was rubbish or Uncharted was somehow "Better".   I just prefer it because I prefer Indiana Jones type vibe to ultra-violence Dudebro vibe.  Just like you (but in reverse) this is why I got a PS3 ahead of buying a 360.

I don't think you should feel the need to defend your own personal preferences, they should be respected by all posters.  As you say the issue is only when people get clouded and try and go on about quality titles sucking due to console preference or taste.

On Topic - I'm going to put in one last vote for VC.  I like ME franchise and really liked ME2, but ME I found to be a mass of weak gameplay that, in the excitement to praise a Western action RPG, most reviewers decided to ignore.  The combat (which was 90% of the game) was a joke next to similar TPS combat titles like Uncharted and Gears, the inventory and menus were awful to navigate and use, the morality scheme was no better than the maligned good/bad scheme in inFamous yet touted as something great, and the character models, while detailed and great in dialogue scenes were animated like stick figures and again in motion/combat were far behind the quality bar of Uncharted/Gears level character animations.  And let's not even talk about the side missions and driving sections.

In short, ME was a good story with average to weak gameplay that got way overpraised due to circumstance and timing while VC was solid throughout, from story to gameplay and I'd argue a better game as a result whether you like the genre or not.

People like to label... thanks for understanding

What makes things worse is I'm the type to stand up for my opinion. There are very few 360 supporters on this website, so when people critisize the games I love, without really giving a reason, I don't back down. I would stand up for PS3 and Wii games more often, but before I even get a chance to there are always twenty people doing it for me already. I should just learn to let people be, I can't stop ignorance. It's really annoying because the 360 and PS3 exclsusives are often very closly reviewed and both often above 9/10, yet people only seem to appreciate the games on their console, and critisize the competition so easily.

As for your vote, when you compare Mass Effect 1 to Uncharted, are you comparing it to Uncharted 1? I ask because I felt the third person shooting mechanics in Uncharted 1 were rather glitchy, and it was Uncharted 2 that really polished the gameplay. I do agree though that ME1 << ME2, and VC is an awesome game.

Yeah I'm comparing it to Uncharted 1.  The shooting and animation in Uncharted 2 was much better, but nonetheless the shooting/animation in Uncharted 1 remains way ahead of ME1.  TBH Uncharted 1 shooting and animation is ahead of ME2 as well.  The movement animations in ME 1 and 2 are very stiff and unconvicing compared to other, comparable TPS like Uncharted.  I wonder if its to allow for the focus on high detail on faces, etc. for the RPG conversations but whatever, it's pretty obvious.  The level design and the organic integration of cover is much better in Uncharted 1 as well.  I appreciate in ME1 its obvious Bioware were somewhat struggling to get to grips with Unreal Engine vs Naughty Dog using an engine they knew inside out and had full control over - but that was there choice and as a consumer I'll evaluate on results.  TBH Mass Effect would be better on an engine such as that underneath Uncharted (or Alan Wake) IMHO vs the very level orientated Unreal Engine, which forces lots of silly breaks in the action to load each relatively small section, but I guess that's another thread!

Anyway, enjoy the games you like is my motto.  I do like ME BTW, particularly ME2 technically felt better, Bioware obviously much more comfortable with Unreal by that stage, it's just I feel the series' flaws against better examples tend to be glossed over for some reason, particularly its combat and animations.



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Michael-5 on 27 July 2011
pezus said:
dsage01 said:
Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.

Reach won against R2

Gears won against R1

Mass Effect won against U:DF

Halo 3 won against Warhawk

Halo 3 won against Killzone 2

 

5 losses so far for PS3 games out of 16 battles, which means PS3 games have won about 69% of the battles so...not an automatic win by any stretch :P. 

So Microsoft's best selling, best rated IP's beat a PSN game, a generic shooter, and inched pasts PS3's prized shooter by 2 votes like dsages said? I also recall the only landslide victory was Halo vs. Warhawk, Halo couldn't landslide victory anything but a pity match up, and yes dsage matched them up to give 360 a chance.

dsage01, now you see the hypocrasy of this website.

Also, are you sure Mass Effect beat Uncharted 1? I voted in that one and I recall UC1 beating Mass Effect.



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Michael-5 on 27 July 2011
Reasonable said:
Michael-5 said:

People like to label... thanks for understanding

What makes things worse is I'm the type to stand up for my opinion. There are very few 360 supporters on this website, so when people critisize the games I love, without really giving a reason, I don't back down. I would stand up for PS3 and Wii games more often, but before I even get a chance to there are always twenty people doing it for me already. I should just learn to let people be, I can't stop ignorance. It's really annoying because the 360 and PS3 exclsusives are often very closly reviewed and both often above 9/10, yet people only seem to appreciate the games on their console, and critisize the competition so easily.

As for your vote, when you compare Mass Effect 1 to Uncharted, are you comparing it to Uncharted 1? I ask because I felt the third person shooting mechanics in Uncharted 1 were rather glitchy, and it was Uncharted 2 that really polished the gameplay. I do agree though that ME1 << ME2, and VC is an awesome game.

Yeah I'm comparing it to Uncharted 1.  The shooting and animation in Uncharted 2 was much better, but nonetheless the shooting/animation in Uncharted 1 remains way ahead of ME1.  TBH Uncharted 1 shooting and animation is ahead of ME2 as well.  The movement animations in ME 1 and 2 are very stiff and unconvicing compared to other, comparable TPS like Uncharted.  I wonder if its to allow for the focus on high detail on faces, etc. for the RPG conversations but whatever, it's pretty obvious.  The level design and the organic integration of cover is much better in Uncharted 1 as well.  I appreciate in ME1 its obvious Bioware were somewhat struggling to get to grips with Unreal Engine vs Naughty Dog using an engine they knew inside out and had full control over - but that was there choice and as a consumer I'll evaluate on results.  TBH Mass Effect would be better on an engine such as that underneath Uncharted (or Alan Wake) IMHO vs the very level orientated Unreal Engine, which forces lots of silly breaks in the action to load each relatively small section, but I guess that's another thread!

Anyway, enjoy the games you like is my motto.  I do like ME BTW, particularly ME2 technically felt better, Bioware obviously much more comfortable with Unreal by that stage, it's just I feel the series' flaws against better examples tend to be glossed over for some reason, particularly its combat and animations.

Hm.. well everyone has their own opinion. Putting some thought into Uncharted, the shooting mechanics were actually pretty good, it's the level design, character animation (how they die), and glitchyness in the enviroment (when jumping along walls and hiding in cover) that I found to be terrible. The movement in Mass Effect 1 and 2 may be slow compared to uncharted, but I disagree with you about it being unconvincing.

The way I feel about movement animations in Uncharted vs. Mass Effect is Uncharted is more visually appealing (Drake stumbles, and moves his body in a less mechanical way), however Mass Effect is more game focused (When running the environment shakes, and shooting is a bit more polished, especially in cover). Maybe I just like Mass Effect's gameplay because it somewhat reminds me of Gears of War, which is moderatly mechanical, but efficient.

I'm not sure I've noticed the flaws of Mass Effect 2 as much as you. I honestly felt Bioware nailed the gameplay mechanics. Sure Sheppard doesn't trip, stuble, jump, or roll, but when playing the game, I always feel as if I'm in a warzone, and the shooting just feels right. Perfect amount of recoil, no invisible glitchy walls, moving around in cover and shooting feels natural, and I love running.

Anyway, I'm a little surprised to hear someone prize the gameplay mechanics of UC1, but to be honest, the shooter mechanics are pretty decent. We could go into this, but everyone has their own opinion. I love Uncharted and Mass Effect, but I can tell we both appreciate each game for different reasons.



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kickazz113 on 27 July 2011
dsage01 said:
Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.


will you be surpise like this if uncharted 3 beat gear 3



dsage01 on 27 July 2011
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
dsage01 said:
Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.

Reach won against R2

Gears won against R1

Mass Effect won against U:DF

Halo 3 won against Warhawk

Halo 3 won against Killzone 2

 

5 losses so far for PS3 games out of 16 battles, which means PS3 games have won about 69% of the battles so...not an automatic win by any stretch :P. 

So Microsoft's best selling, best rated IP's beat a PSN game, a generic shooter, and inched pasts PS3's prized shooter by 2 votes like dsages said? I also recall the only landslide victory was Halo vs. Warhawk, Halo couldn't landslide victory anything but a pity match up, and yes dsage matched them up to give 360 a chance.

dsage01, now you see the hypocrasy of this website.

Also, are you sure Mass Effect beat Uncharted 1? I voted in that one and I recall UC1 beating Mass Effect.


Well when I checked ME1 beat UC1 by just 2 votes. I changd it early in the morning maybe you didn't see. But they were very close. And I voted for ME1 from my second computer once too so it got the advantage. But I swear the results between those 2 kept changing every hour. 



dsage01 on 27 July 2011
Michael-5 said:
pezus said:
dsage01 said:
Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.

Reach won against R2

Gears won against R1

Mass Effect won against U:DF

Halo 3 won against Warhawk

Halo 3 won against Killzone 2

 

5 losses so far for PS3 games out of 16 battles, which means PS3 games have won about 69% of the battles so...not an automatic win by any stretch :P. 

So Microsoft's best selling, best rated IP's beat a PSN game, a generic shooter, and inched pasts PS3's prized shooter by 2 votes like dsages said? I also recall the only landslide victory was Halo vs. Warhawk, Halo couldn't landslide victory anything but a pity match up, and yes dsage matched them up to give 360 a chance.

dsage01, now you see the hypocrasy of this website.

Also, are you sure Mass Effect beat Uncharted 1? I voted in that one and I recall UC1 beating Mass Effect.


Well when I checked ME1 beat UC1 by just 2 votes. I changd it early in the morning maybe you didn't see. But they were very close. And I voted for ME1 from my second computer once too so it got the advantage. But I swear the results between those 2 kept changing every hour. 



dsage01 on 27 July 2011
kickazz113 said:
dsage01 said:
Before I thought everyone was lying that there is more PS3 fans on this site. But now I know it's true. Seriously Halo 3 sold more than 5 times Killzone 2 and beats it by only 2 votes! It's almost like Sony = automatic win on this site.


will you be surpise like this if uncharted 3 beat gear 3


No because I know how much people love Uncharted. Gears only sells better than Uncharted because of the massive hype Microsoft gets it and the good reviews. If Uncharted had the hype Gears or Halo did the sales would be totaly different