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thranx on 28 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.


without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened? if not how the hell is he not to blame? the point at the end of the day no matter how much dancing around you do is that this all happened because he did not keep his hacks and thereby the results of his hacks to himself here he even apologises to the ps community for his bs :

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

 

an extract from that site :

"Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support" 

 

 

you said some nonsense in your post about "He midified something he owned that affected no one else." <--- that is wrong if his actions affected no one else then we wouldn't be talking about him would we? quote from the article above "Before releasing" thats what this is about... him releasing hacks that then affect all of the users of psn and ps3s in general 

other peoples actions are what caused the problems on ths psn and piraticy. i dont know how else to say it. Facts are facts. Please show me any article about how he hurt the psn or pirated directly. Sony removed otheros not geohot, sony had a choice not to remove it. I am sorry if you can not see the facts here. all geohot did was modify a device he owned and tell other people how to do the same. its like saying you cant teach someone to  fix a car up. He did not teach anyone how to break any laws or how to pirate, nor did he break any laws himself. so again what is the issue here? Be mad at those that pirate and those that hack the psn, both of wich are ciminaly wrong in the usa.

 

edit: fix some spelling



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Galaki on 28 June 2011

And since PS3 was enable to play backup, look at how the software sales dropped to none-existent. PS3 is so d0med.



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o_O.Q on 28 June 2011
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.


without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened? if not how the hell is he not to blame? the point at the end of the day no matter how much dancing around you do is that this all happened because he did not keep his hacks and thereby the results of his hacks to himself here he even apologises to the ps community for his bs :

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

 

an extract from that site :

"Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support" 

 

 

you said some nonsense in your post about "He midified something he owned that affected no one else." <--- that is wrong if his actions affected no one else then we wouldn't be talking about him would we? quote from the article above "Before releasing" thats what this is about... him releasing hacks that then affect all of the users of psn and ps3s in general 

other peoples actions are what caused the problems on ths psn and piraticy. i dont know how else to say it. Facts are facts. Please show me any article about how he hurt the psn or pirated directly. Sony removed otheros not geohot, sony had a choice not to remove it. I am sorry if you can not see the facts here. all geohot did was modify a device he owned and tell other people how to do the same. its like saying you cant teach someone to  fix a car up. He did not teach anyone how to break any laws or how to pirate, nor did he break any laws himself. so again what is the issue here? Be mad at those that pirate and those that hack the psn, both of wich are ciminaly wrong in the usa.

 

edit: fix some spelling

"without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened?" you haven't answered my question i would prefer a yes or no

edit : btw heres a paragraph from an article related to this issue 

Another shareholder suggested that the hacker attacks may have been in response to inappropriate comments made from Sony's management. Stringer replied that Sony was simply attempting to protect its games-related intellectual properties from those who would attempt to gain free access. Executive Vice President Kaz Hirai also stepped in and said that Sony was targeted because they took a variety of steps to protect their intellectual property. This is something they were doing not just for themselves, but for a global eco system that includes developers, third party publishers and retailers.

all of which was enabled by geohot



thranx on 28 June 2011
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.


without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened? if not how the hell is he not to blame? the point at the end of the day no matter how much dancing around you do is that this all happened because he did not keep his hacks and thereby the results of his hacks to himself here he even apologises to the ps community for his bs :

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

 

an extract from that site :

"Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support" 

 

 

you said some nonsense in your post about "He midified something he owned that affected no one else." <--- that is wrong if his actions affected no one else then we wouldn't be talking about him would we? quote from the article above "Before releasing" thats what this is about... him releasing hacks that then affect all of the users of psn and ps3s in general 

other peoples actions are what caused the problems on ths psn and piraticy. i dont know how else to say it. Facts are facts. Please show me any article about how he hurt the psn or pirated directly. Sony removed otheros not geohot, sony had a choice not to remove it. I am sorry if you can not see the facts here. all geohot did was modify a device he owned and tell other people how to do the same. its like saying you cant teach someone to  fix a car up. He did not teach anyone how to break any laws or how to pirate, nor did he break any laws himself. so again what is the issue here? Be mad at those that pirate and those that hack the psn, both of wich are ciminaly wrong in the usa.

 

edit: fix some spelling

"without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened?" you haven't answered my question i would prefer a yes or no

edit : btw heres a paragraph from an article related to this issue 

Another shareholder suggested that the hacker attacks may have been in response to inappropriate comments made from Sony's management. Stringer replied that Sony was simply attempting to protect its games-related intellectual properties from those who would attempt to gain free access. Executive Vice President Kaz Hirai also stepped in and said that Sony was targeted because they took a variety of steps to protect their intellectual property. This is something they were doing not just for themselves, but for a global eco system that includes developers, third party publishers and retailers.

all of which was enabled by geohot

 

with out sonys tool the hacks would not have happened either. with out the tools of pc makers world wide the hacks would not have happened. does that answer your question?

 

Again it was sony's choice to remove otheros. it says it in that paragraph you posted.

 

And again all of this was enabled by sony just as much, so who is really to blame geohot or sony? They both supplied the "tools"



deskpro2k3 on 28 June 2011

no wonder facebook seems to be loading slower than ever.



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o_O.Q on 28 June 2011
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
o_O.Q said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Joelcool7 said:
thranx said:
Kantor said:
thranx said:


on that same note sony should stop selling ps3's. without them supplying them to people, people would not be able to hack ps3 and then pirate games. look at sony enabling hackers and pirates, how dare they. Sony is hurting the industry with its enabling of piracy.

That's like saying it's the store founder's fault for founding the store, because if he hadn't, he wouldn't have been robbed.

You're also implying that Sony wanted this to happen, which is ridiculous.

I know it is. I completely agree its ridiculous. But its the same as blaming Geohot for it. Thats why I said it, to show just how ridiculous it is.


You read my metophore. Geo may not have done anything illegal himself. But he broke the store window (Security on PS3), he knew that by breaking the security that others would rob the store (Sony). He is so intelligent , how could anyone believe he didn't realize that by releasing his hack that others would use it for piracy?

I'm not saying GeoHotz is soully responsable or a criminal. But his actions lead to crimes being committed and he was obviously aware they would be. He broke into the store (PS3) and made it possible for theives to steal from that store (PS3).

What you said was radiculous. Kantor is absolutely right. Thats like saying its the stores fault for being robbed and as such nobody should make anything in the future or own any possesions because somebody might steal them. It makes no sense, how is it the retailers fault that some punk broke into their store and allowed hundreds to loot it?

By your logic we should be in the stone age, heck not even the stone age they still had wives and huts. Nobody should have anything to their name. Heck if a guy gets murdered its his fault for existing.

He never did anything to anyones property but his own. He did not steal anyhting so your analogy does not really make sense. There is no way to spin it, what he did was perfectly legal and perfectly fine and something that has been done since electronics have been around.

No thats not true, he provided the jail break hack info to everyone with a computer so that they could break Sony's security on their systems and run pirated software. So my metaphor stands. Had he only hacked his console that would be one thing but he hacked everyones consoles by releasing the hack and he brought down Sony's security system.

So yes he broke the window. Also he knew by providing everyone with this jail break that people would use it to pirate(Steal from the store)

Also I never said he stole anything, my metaphor was clear he took what the store owed him and had promised him. However in doing so he broke Sony's security allowing others to steal from Sony. He provided the hack and essentially broke Sony's security system.

There;s no way to spin it , any way you look at it Geo is not 100% innocent.

He disabled piracy as well as he could in his firmware. What do you expect him to do? If sony cant protect its sytems against hackers how is geohot supposed too? Have you read up on the specifics of this whole incident? The firmware he released specificaly did not allow piracy. He is anti piracy. All he did was tell others how to get homebrew going on their own ps3s. He did not hack the psn or any games or any one elses ps3.  He took nothing. He created something, you act as if he took something out of the ps3. He created a a program that adjust the firmware on the ps3. There is no store analogy just look at the facts as is. There is no moral dilema here. He midified something he owned that affected no one else. All the piracy and psn hacks were done by others people should focus on and complain about them. Not somebody who only did what was in his rights of woning that equiptment. Stop trying to spread the blame to him. If you go down that route than you must blame Sony and anyone who makes any tool that is remotely related to hacking, you can't just decide to only blame one of the tool makers can you? How is that fair? Best just to blame those with direct involvement. This is probably why sony settled, they realoised he did no wrong and they could find nothing wrong he did. I have yet to find any case where it is illegal or wrong to hack your own equiptment, I tried I really did. There just is no case out there.


without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened? if not how the hell is he not to blame? the point at the end of the day no matter how much dancing around you do is that this all happened because he did not keep his hacks and thereby the results of his hacks to himself here he even apologises to the ps community for his bs :

http://gamercrave.com/ps3-hacker-geohot-on-lost-linux-support-im-sorry/2349/

 

an extract from that site :

"Sony has only pinned the change on “security concerns,” but hacker George “Geohot” Hotz, who released the first-ever PS3 hack earlier this year (preceded by several high-profile iPhone jailbreaks), which could ultimately allow piracy or other nefarious uses of the consoles, believes he played a role:

First off, I want to apologize to all the people who use Linux on their PS3. Before releasing, I weighed the pros and cons, and considered the possibility of an impact on OtherOS support" 

 

 

you said some nonsense in your post about "He midified something he owned that affected no one else." <--- that is wrong if his actions affected no one else then we wouldn't be talking about him would we? quote from the article above "Before releasing" thats what this is about... him releasing hacks that then affect all of the users of psn and ps3s in general 

other peoples actions are what caused the problems on ths psn and piraticy. i dont know how else to say it. Facts are facts. Please show me any article about how he hurt the psn or pirated directly. Sony removed otheros not geohot, sony had a choice not to remove it. I am sorry if you can not see the facts here. all geohot did was modify a device he owned and tell other people how to do the same. its like saying you cant teach someone to  fix a car up. He did not teach anyone how to break any laws or how to pirate, nor did he break any laws himself. so again what is the issue here? Be mad at those that pirate and those that hack the psn, both of wich are ciminaly wrong in the usa.

 

edit: fix some spelling

"without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened?" you haven't answered my question i would prefer a yes or no

edit : btw heres a paragraph from an article related to this issue 

Another shareholder suggested that the hacker attacks may have been in response to inappropriate comments made from Sony's management. Stringer replied that Sony was simply attempting to protect its games-related intellectual properties from those who would attempt to gain free access. Executive Vice President Kaz Hirai also stepped in and said that Sony was targeted because they took a variety of steps to protect their intellectual property. This is something they were doing not just for themselves, but for a global eco system that includes developers, third party publishers and retailers.

all of which was enabled by geohot

 

with out sonys tool the hacks would not have happened either. with out the tools of pc makers world wide the hacks would not have happened. does that answer your question?

 

Again it was sony's choice to remove otheros. it says it in that paragraph you posted.

 

And again all of this was enabled by sony just as much, so who is really to blame geohot or sony? They both supplied the "tools"

lol if you don't want to answer the question just say so but i'll ask once again just in case you didn't understand or whatever :

"without geohot's tools would all of the resulting hacks have happened?" yes or no?



dahuman on 28 June 2011

This kind of thread is meh now, I mean, lets have for an example: firearms, need I say anymore? Just because you have access to a gun, doesn't mean you'd go shoot the crap out of everybody, but if I did, it'd be my fault, not the gun maker nor would it be the fault of the guy who sold me a gun, and it sure as hell wouldn't be the fault of the guy who invented gun powder. After all, human evolution is based on tools, it all depends on what we do with them. The origin of the blame would be like, we humans shouldn't exist and should just all kill our-fucking-selves. Are these discussions really worthy at this point? He got a real job, good for him, the end.



Beuli2 on 28 June 2011

He's gonna hackzor our accounts! Run away!



Above: still the best game of the year.

steverhcp02 on 28 June 2011
dahuman said:
This kind of thread is meh now, I mean, lets have for an example: firearms, need I say anymore? Just because you have access to a gun, doesn't mean you'd go shoot the crap out of everybody, but if I did, it'd be my fault, not the gun maker nor would it be the fault of the guy who sold me a gun, and it sure as hell wouldn't be the fault of the guy who invented gun powder. After all, human evolution is based on tools, it all depends on what we do with them. The origin of the blame would be like, we humans shouldn't exist and should just all kill our-fucking-selves. Are these discussions really worthy at this point? He got a real job, good for him, the end.


The analogy is the same as every other. The difference is there are people who still do push for firearms control above and beyond what we have. There are people who genuinely view this issue (like myself) in a way that is morally driven. Just because you CAN do things doesn't mean you SHOULD.

And yet your analogy is STILL wrong. If a guy took a pistol and altered the handle on it for customization knowing that by doing the asthetic customized grip it would be possible to then alter the chamber to allow a fireing rate beyond the legal limit, but it all starts with the handle grip, If it were posted online how to alter the original guys grip to allow for automatic firing, I'd say the guy that altered the handle acted irresponsibly.

My analogy goes out the window if you TRULY believe the guy didnt know it would allow that to be possible, then i say the guy make it CLEAR that its not right, condemns the acts until they cease and works at fixing the issue.

I hate comparing things like this to serious topics like guns....in the end, as i said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just like anything, we chose or moral fights/values and they are our own. What some people refuse to accept, in this very thread, is some people love this industry enough to want it to be profitable and see companies and devs, and while those defending geohot could all very well feel the same way, they dont feel that allowing pirated games effects that. Just a different view, and thats okay. Ive acknowledged it, those who refuse to accept some of us find this kids actions as irresponsible just cant accept it.

Feigning ignorance is easy, but its also easy to spot from a mile away.




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dahuman on 28 June 2011
steverhcp02 said:
dahuman said:
This kind of thread is meh now, I mean, lets have for an example: firearms, need I say anymore? Just because you have access to a gun, doesn't mean you'd go shoot the crap out of everybody, but if I did, it'd be my fault, not the gun maker nor would it be the fault of the guy who sold me a gun, and it sure as hell wouldn't be the fault of the guy who invented gun powder. After all, human evolution is based on tools, it all depends on what we do with them. The origin of the blame would be like, we humans shouldn't exist and should just all kill our-fucking-selves. Are these discussions really worthy at this point? He got a real job, good for him, the end.


The analogy is the same as every other. The difference is there are people who still do push for firearms control above and beyond what we have. There are people who genuinely view this issue (like myself) in a way that is morally driven. Just because you CAN do things doesn't mean you SHOULD.

And yet your analogy is STILL wrong. If a guy took a pistol and altered the handle on it for customization knowing that by doing the asthetic customized grip it would be possible to then alter the chamber to allow a fireing rate beyond the legal limit, but it all starts with the handle grip, If it were posted online how to alter the original guys grip to allow for automatic firing, I'd say the guy that altered the handle acted irresponsibly.

My analogy goes out the window if you TRULY believe the guy didnt know it would allow that to be possible, then i say the guy make it CLEAR that its not right, condemns the acts until they cease and works at fixing the issue.

I hate comparing things like this to serious topics like guns....in the end, as i said, just because you can doesn't mean you should. Just like anything, we chose or moral fights/values and they are our own. What some people refuse to accept, in this very thread, is some people love this industry enough to want it to be profitable and see companies and devs, and while those defending geohot could all very well feel the same way, they dont feel that allowing pirated games effects that. Just a different view, and thats okay. Ive acknowledged it, those who refuse to accept some of us find this kids actions as irresponsible just cant accept it.

Feigning ignorance is easy, but its also easy to spot from a mile away.

What I'm presenting has nothing to do with the legal limit of gun modification, simply, if you have a gun, you can do a lot of damage whether or not it's modded. You don't even have to get them legally, but where are you pointing that thing is the key factor as a civillian. If I did something fucked up, I would be responsible because it was my choice, playing the blame game is always dumb as hell.